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kill team used body parts in poker games

ReverendHellh0und said:
I was an asshole to CNN, I did everything I could not to ever be seen on camera.
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Oh yeah, I pissed off some reporters in my time. I told some free lance Liberal bitch one time that I was going to shove her camera up her ass, sideways, if she took my picture. I got my ass chewed for it, but screw it, I've had my ass chewed before, I survived.
 
SheWolf said:
Ohh please, now you're arguing that these murder victims fall under "war victims" in the DoD regulations... hysterical
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Ponder deeply to what I'm sayin....

Humans are more important than hardware
 
TheBook said:
I would need to study the case in more depth, but it seems like the difference was that Abu Ghraib was on a much larger scale and did not only involve members of the military but also various OGAs (Other Government Agencies) as well as civilian contractors specifically ordered by Rumsfeld to violate the Geneva Convention to torture prisoners.
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then you would indeed need to study the case more in depth. the OGA claims (along with the IDF claims) were generally part of a hysterical foriegn (read: Arab) press. no interrogators were involved in the Abu Ghraib abuses, it was the guards. the stupid, friggin, National Guard Guards. Who themselves (and this didn't get out much) thought they were dispensing justice in their own rough manner. nor did Rumsfeld ever order anyone to torture prisoners. the enhanced interrogation program, which some have claimed was torture, was performed at Guantanomo bay, on a select number of prisoners deemed critical to national security, not some random child-rapist in Iraq.

Not to mention that this was handled by the military before the news media caught hold of it, so there was no way the accusation could be made that no action was being taken.
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by the time the media storm started around Abu Ghraib the guards involved were already under investigation and I think one of them was on trial. military investigators actually broke the story months earlier, but - again - since there were no pictures, nobody in the press cares.
 
apdst said:
Oh yeah, I pissed off some reporters in my time. I told some free lance Liberal bitch one time that I was going to shove her camera up her ass, sideways, if she took my picture. I got my ass chewed for it, but screw it, I've had my ass chewed before, I survived.
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:D we had a female photog from AP come out with a pony-tailed gray-haired can't-believe-the-60's-are-over partner.

'suuuure, we'll let you come on patrol. will you actually get to interact with Iraqi's in order to get the true story of our occupation here? yes ma'am, if you want, no problem.'


:D then we put them on our fastest squad and proceeded to run them to death. they went home the next day.



now we did get one freelance guy that stayed with us for a couple of months. he had had a son die in the Marines, and another was a Army chopper pilot; we considered him sort of part of the family. guy later went on to be John McCain's photographer during the '08 campaign. he was cool.
 
cpwill said:
:D we had a female photog from AP come out with a pony-tailed gray-haired can't-believe-the-60's-are-over partner.

'suuuure, we'll let you come on patrol. will you actually get to interact with Iraqi's in order to get the true story of our occupation here? yes ma'am, if you want, no problem.'


:D then we put them on our fastest squad and proceeded to run them to death. they went home the next day.



now we did get one freelance guy that stayed with us for a couple of months. he had had a son die in the Marines, and another was a Army chopper pilot; we considered him sort of part of the family. guy later went on to be John McCain's photographer during the '08 campaign. he was cool.
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That's ****ing funny!
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I think we waste too much time on stories like this and not enough time on stories of the heros and those who have fallen.
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We should probably ask the parents of that 15 year-old boy if we have wasted enough time talking about it.
 
CriticalThought said:
We should probably ask the parents of that 15 year-old boy if we have wasted enough time talking about it.
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Yeah, talking about it might actually bring him back to life, eh?
 
apdst said:
Yeah, talking about it might actually bring him back to life, eh?
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I wonder if your 15 year-old child died at the hands of rogue soldiers how you would feel if people said it was a waste of time to even talk about him.

It might not bring him back but it honors his memory. I used to think that you US military people knew a thing or two about honor, but I guess I was mistaken.
 
apdst said:
Oh yeah, I pissed off some reporters in my time. I told some free lance Liberal bitch one time that I was going to shove her camera up her ass, sideways, if she took my picture. I got my ass chewed for it, but screw it, I've had my ass chewed before, I survived.
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You sound like a real professional.
 
CriticalThought said:
I wonder if your 15 year-old child died at the hands of rogue soldiers how you would feel if people said it was a waste of time to even talk about him.

It might not bring him back but it honors his memory. I used to think that you US military people knew a thing or two about honor, but I guess I was mistaken.
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Nobody has made any excuse for what's happened here. I think the Rev's point, which I fully expect to be lost on you, is that, for every deplorable story like this one, there are a hundred acts of heroism, courage and, yes, honor that go unnoticed.
 
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X Factor said:
Looks like you already have.
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How? I was just saying this reminds me of the experiment where a group of people submit to authority while knowing their actions are despicable. Would you disagree? And how am I discounting the average soldier?

Chill out, friend.
 
whysoserious said:
How? I was just saying this reminds me of the experiment where a group of people submit to authority while knowing their actions are despicable. Would you disagree? And how am I discounting the average soldier?

Chill out, friend.
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I'm sorry, I must have overlooked all your posts lauding military service. Which threads should I be looking in again?
 
X Factor said:
I'm sorry, I must have overlooked all your posts lauding military service. Which threads should I be looking in again?
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I'm sorry, I must have overlooked the post that said I owed you ****. Can you point me in that direction?

Until then, why not look up the Milgram experiment and try to wrap your tiny brain around what I was trying to say. ;)

Wait, how about I explain it because I have a feeling you'll never get it:

What I was trying to say, before I was rudely interrupted by your incompetent post, was that my guess is most of the people had good intentions but were following orders (as the Milgram experiment showed most people do). You'll figure it out eventually.
 
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whysoserious said:
I'm sorry, I must have overlooked the post that said I owed you ****. Can you point me in that direction?
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In other words, "Don't waste your time, X, you won't find any." See? I think I'm starting to understand you. ;)
 
X Factor said:
In other words, "Don't waste your time, X, you won't find any." See? I think I'm starting to understand you. ;)
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In other words, X, if you can't be coherent, go somewhere else. I come from a military family, how about you, X? My father was a navy man and my grandfather served as surgeon in Korea. What are you, other than a commentator who improves nothing with his/her own input?

Again, what did I say that was offensive to anyone other than the people who played poker with body parts were "sick". In fact, X, if you bothered to pay attention, you might note that I even gave those people an excuse. What are you so angry for? Do you disagree that playing poker with body parts is disgusting?

Honestly, I'll take a warning just to say this: you're a dick man.;)

Go attack someone else.
 
whysoserious said:
In other words, X, if you can't be coherent, go somewhere else. I come from a military family, how about you, X? My father was a navy man and my grandfather served as surgeon in Korea. What are you, other than a commentator who improves nothing with his/her own input?
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Sorry, I don't use things my relatives have done to try to justify myself. I stand on my own.

Again, what did I say that was offensive to anyone other than the people who played poker with body parts were "sick". In fact, X, if you bothered to pay attention, you might note that I even gave those people an excuse. What are you so angry for? Do you disagree that playing poker with body parts is disgusting?
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I've already said that nobody has tried to justify this, I'm not interested in offering those people an excuse but neither am I interested in wanting to judge everyone in the military by the actions of a few.

Honestly, I'll take a warning just to say this: you're a dick man.;)

Go attack someone else.
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You call me a dick but I'm the one doing the attacking. Could you be more clueless?
 
X Factor said:
Nobody has made any excuse for what's happened here. I think the Rev's point, which I fully expect to be lost on you, is that, for every deplorable story like this one, there are a hundred acts of heroism, courage and, yes, honor that go unnoticed.
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Rev chose to use the words "wasting time" to describe talking about this. The point wasn't lost on me. He doesn't respect that boy or that boy's family. I recognize there are heroes, but I also recognize there are victims and they are just as entitled to recognition.

Don't even pretend that if I killed your child or Rev's child and cut off his finger and used it as a chip in a poker game, you wouldn't consider it a "waste of time" to talk about it. The utter lack of compassion from you people is sickening.

Anything that would dare soil the precious image of the military isn't worth talking about. :roll:

People can shove their god damn patriotism right up their own ass when children are being shot down on the street and having their body parts cut off.
 
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CriticalThought said:
-- Anything that would dare soil the precious image of the military isn't worth talking about. :roll:.
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The image of the military would be better served by dealing with the story of the "kill team" properly and honestly, by the military demonstrating quick, open and honest treatment of the story.
 
apdst said:
I'da probably took pics, like I was posing with a 12 point buck, too.

I hadn't thought about it before Oscar brought it up, but these pics and vids are about the only way that troops have to prove that kills are legit. If it's left up to the word of the soliders against the word of the media, the soldiers typically lose out.
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The article says it's standard in the military to take photos of the death, finger prints, and scan the retina in the case of the boy that was killed and other kills. It's considered evidence, and that was later used in the investigation. The military also cut his clothes off, which was standard, but posing in the photos and using the corpses as props (humiliating them in death) is not standard military protocol and against the rules. I'd assume mutilating bodies is also against the rules since the kill team is charged with that, and with stabbing a Taliban corpse that was found in the desert. There is a difference between standard procedures and trading videos and pictures for entertainment.

I personally don't think it would be good PR if the military let service members make such pics and vids for entertainment purposes, own them, and trade them. There is a whole market out there for that... They could end up selling them to Faces of Death and numerous websites. People on Stormfront would love to see some of these "hajis" getting blown up and shot to death. People are sick, people would actually celebrate our service members killing people and the brutality of war, and it would give the wrong image of the military. Not to mention it would probably attract a lot more people like the Kill Team to possibly join the military, and dishonor the good service members.

Such behaviour and military culture wouldn't reflect well on our service members or on our government whenever it enters a war... and that's why it doesn't make sense that the military would condone this behaviour in the first place, and it appears that it doesn't.
 
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CriticalThought said:
You sound like a real professional.
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It definitely isn't a great way to represent other service member while in the uniform himself. I am sure that journalist has an even worse view of the military now...
 
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