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Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

haymarket said:
the very real problem the Republicans have is that the type of candidate who most appeals to their activist base is also the least appealing to the Independents who are needed to win the election. The electorate which votes in November or 2012 will not be the same people who voted in November of 2010 but far closer in demographic make up to those from November 2008. Turnout will be much higher, far more minorities will vote, and the number of younger voters will return to 2008 levels.
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Not necessarily true. Right now, with the election only a little more than a year and a half off, Romney is the front runner, and he does qualify as a moderate republican who could do well in the general.
 
Redress said:
Not necessarily true. Right now, with the election only a little more than a year and a half off, Romney is the front runner, and he does qualify as a moderate republican who could do well in the general.
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Romney would be a respectable candidate. So would a few of the midwest Governor pack.

Personally think Gingrich is the most suitable for actually holding the job of President. But don't believe he could overcome his "baggage" in the predictable media onslaught.


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Cole said:
Romney would be a respectable candidate. So would a few of the midwest Governor pack.

Personally think Gingrich is the most suitable for actually holding the job of President. But don't believe he could overcome his "baggage" in the predictable media onslaught.


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Who do you see as a midwest Gov that has enough name recognition to make a real run this time?

As a democrat, Romney is the one republican that I find really worrisome. If the economy is still real bad come Nov '12, Obama is gone pretty much no matter who runs(cept maybe the fringe folks), if it is real good, Obama wins against any one. If the economy is like it probably will be, better but not great, Romney is the only one I could see with a real chance ass a republican.
 
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Redress said:
Who do you see as a midwest Gov that has enough name recognition to make a real run this time?

As a democrat, Romney is the one republican that I find really worrisome. If the economy is still real bad come Nov '12, Obama is gone pretty much no matter who runs(cept maybe the fringe folks), if it is real good, Obama wins against any one. If the economy is like it probably will be, better but not great, Romney is the only one I could see with a real chance ass a republican.
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There is not one. If you look at Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio's governors, all have suffered significant losses in popularity among Independents because of their anti-union activities. That may make them more popular to the right wing leaning base, but it works against them for November.

A lot will depend on if Palin runs. Then it depends on if Romney can score a few early wins and if there will be a STOP MITT effort uniting the more conservative tea party wing against him.

I think the strongest ticket they can assemble to win in November is Romney & Christie.
 
Redress said:
Who do you see as a midwest Gov that has enough name recognition to make a real run this time?

As a democrat, Romney is the one republican that I find really worrisome. If the economy is still real bad come Nov '12, Obama is gone pretty much no matter who runs(cept maybe the fringe folks), if it is real good, Obama wins against any one. If the economy is like it probably will be, better but not great, Romney is the only one I could see with a real chance ass a republican.
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Name recognition at this point in time may not be the most attractive criteria to judge on. The opposition on both sides of the aisle have their prepared barrages already in place to belittle/attack any of the well known names. A big part of Obama's success was that he didn't have any prior baggage when he hit the scene. And by the time the attacks on him started the media had already encapsulated him as the "precious one". (ok, that last part is just my opinion. Others may take another view. :) )

But there is something to be said for "late comer" status. Daniels or Pawlenty have an opportunity to define themselves rather than be defined by the opposition




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Cole said:
Name recognition at this point in time may not be the most attractive criteria to judge on. The opposition on both sides of the aisle have their prepared barrages already in place to belittle/attack any of the well known names. A big part of Obama's success was that he didn't have any prior baggage when he hit the scene. And by the time the attacks on him started the media had already encapsulated him as the "precious one". (ok, that last part is just my opinion. Others may take another view. :) )

But there is something to be said for "late comer" status. Daniels or Pawlenty have an opportunity to define themselves rather than be defined by the opposition




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Obama was not as unknown as all that really. Hell, he had already been a speaker at a DNC convention. He had name recognition for democrats already. Even with that, it took a painfully bad campaign by Clinton for him to get the nomination.
 
Barbbtx said:
The left has called Palin an idiot so many times, stupid people actually bought into the lie.
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Just a clue Barb....Palin didn't need any help from the left to convince people that she is an idiot....why do you think that McCain and the GOP tried hard to keep her out of any interviews? Probably because she performed so poorly whenever she opened her mouth.
 
disneydude said:
Just a clue Barb....Palin didn't need any help from the left to convince people that she is an idiot....why do you think that McCain and the GOP tried hard to keep her out of any interviews? Probably because she performed so poorly whenever she opened her mouth.
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yes, and Biden does so well.....


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j-mac said:
Nah, Quayle is smarter....You do know that it wasn't Quayle that misspelled that word right?
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And Sarah Palin never said "I can see Russia from my house." But it's funnier that way.

Quayle was absolutely useless, which is why he almost got replaced in '92....

Why do I even bother? The conservatives here will defend to the death anybody who writes an "R" after their name.
 
If Palin ever became the US Ambassador to Russia...do you think she would try to work from home?
 
rocket88 said:
And Sarah Palin never said "I can see Russia from my house." But it's funnier that way.

Quayle was absolutely useless, which is why he almost got replaced in '92....

Why do I even bother? The conservatives here will defend to the death anybody who writes an "R" after their name.
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Well, actually that was Tina Fey playing Palin that said that....Look it up....As for why you bother? Hell I don't know, does that mean you are done with actual debate, and headed back to DailyKOS, or DU? Nice knowin' ya.....


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j-mac said:
Well, actually that was Tina Fey playing Palin that said that....Look it up...
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I know it was Tina Fey. Which is why I said that Palin never said that. Do you read?

I like the joke about working from home. What's funny is that Moscow (where the embassy is), is about the same distance from Vladivostok as it is from Nova Scotia.
 
hazlnut said:
Dream Scenario: Palin-Bachmann run as an independent ticket.
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LOL!

this reminds of the month or so shrill chrissy matthews devoted to HIS dream, the kerry-mccain ballot of 04

chrissy is astonishingly immature
 
haymarket said:
the very real problem the Republicans have is that the type of candidate who most appeals to their activist base is also the least appealing to the Independents who are needed to win the election.
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that's what they said about dear ronnie

THE TIMES called for reagan

the times TODAY are SCREAMING

you can't hear?

in other words, we'll see

stay up
 
Cole said:
You are being a bit misleading, eh?
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now, how can a LINK be misleading?

it is what it is, exactly as huffpo reported

bachmann was a prodigious, record setting fundraiser in the last quarter of last year

the rest of what you say is true, at least, according to huffpo (and politico and fox and a buncha other sources i chose not to paste, they all said the same thing)

keep up the good work, friend
 
haymarket said:
There is not one. If you look at Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio's governors, all have suffered significant losses in popularity among Independents because of their anti-union activities. That may make them more popular to the right wing leaning base, but it works against them for November.

A lot will depend on if Palin runs. Then it depends on if Romney can score a few early wins and if there will be a STOP MITT effort uniting the more conservative tea party wing against him.

I think the strongest ticket they can assemble to win in November is Romney & Christie.
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Who was the front running in 2008?

Obama wasn't the democrat front runner when he went in, but he won a lot of states early on. I thought Rudy was going to do a lot better. I kind of thought he was the front runner, but IDK... Huckabee won a bunch of the southern states, and the far right candidate will win those states again. It just depends on the states... maybe Mitt and another will cut it close.

I never thought we would end up with Obama and McCain though... that was surprising.
 
Redress said:
Obama was not as unknown as all that really. Hell, he had already been a speaker at a DNC convention. He had name recognition for democrats already. Even with that, it took a painfully bad campaign by Clinton for him to get the nomination.
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That one speech was a doosey. And it was the linchpin that provided his launch to stardom.

Overall, think Hillary was the much better qualified candidate. McCain was lame. Was the result of Romney/Huckabey splitting the more vialble options. Either would have been better.

Obama probably deserved to win as the better of two poor choices. Romney would have been OK. Hillary would not have been a bad alternative. What we ended up with is simply an excellent campaign by the Obama handlers in conjunction with a media that was determined to get the fella elected.

Just an opinion...

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