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Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

j-mac said:
Just make sure you are a flat spot on that fence...Could get painful. Anarchists? When are the meetings?


j-mac
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I'm honestly not sure what you were referring to here, but my point was that independents can be anywhere along the political spectrum and not be lying. Moderates/Centrists are a different story.
A lot of people have a skewed view, though, because they don't know where the real center is. ex. calling sanders or paul centrists.
 
j-mac said:
I know, it was supposed to be funny.

j-mac
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One of my friends would actually be upset at that statement. He says anarchists just don't like any government. They're perfectly fine with order/civilized society in other ways (he's an anarcho-capitalist).
 
iamitter said:
I'm honestly not sure what you were referring to here, but my point was that independents can be anywhere along the political spectrum and not be lying. Moderates/Centrists are a different story.
A lot of people have a skewed view, though, because they don't know where the real center is. ex. calling sanders or paul centrists.
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I think that there are alot of people that think they are cute by chosing these monikers so that they can hide behind them, rather than just be honest about their leanings.

One of my friends would actually be upset at that statement. He says anarchists just don't like any government. They're perfectly fine with order/civilized society in other ways (he's an anarcho-capitalist).
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Who says that Anarchists don't have any sense of humor under those black hoodies.

j-mac
 
iamitter said:
Moderates/Centrists are a different story.
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He's just relying on the old Bill O'Reilly trick of lumping in everybody that's to the left of him as "ultra-liberal." Problem is, Centrists are to his left because he inhabits a space that is definitely to the right of center.
 
Grant said:
In their hearts they know all this to be true but they cannot bring themselves to admiit it. Instead they'll not respond, or say that Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman would be even worse. It will not slow them down in referring to either of these women as "idiots" and the like. They just can't seem to compute facts they don't want to hear.
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The people who voted for Obama aren't all left wing liberals... run somebody better than Obama, and your side has a chance. For God's sakes, GWB won twice... If he won twice, you know Obama has a great chance of winning a second term. I highly doubt, if given two terms, Obama's negatives and screw ups, and the general anger at him wouldn't be near as high as GWBs... and you guys whining the most about Obama, probably voted for Bush twice. Pot calling the kettle black IMO.
 
j-mac said:
Who says that Anarchists don't have any sense of humor under those black hoodies.

j-mac
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Ahaha, black hoodies. He's in private equity, I think, at barclays. Maybe a black suit :)
 
tryreading said:
It is too early to tell. But, honestly, would you want her to be the primary winner?
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Honestly? I really haven't seen her much except in short clips, but I doubt she has the experience for the Presidency just yet.

It seems to me that some politicians run for the Presidency not expecting to win but in getting name recognition . Joe Biden was a perennial one pf them and I think it was also Barrack Obama's motive. But as we know it paid off and it was something, I suspect, that neither of them seriously anticipated.

I'd like to see someone who advocates more state rights and less federal government intrusions. That's the only realistic way to get the country under some reasonable fiscal control. Local governments work best.
 
iamitter said:
Frankly, I'd probably vote for Romney if he had a different on opinion on abortion and gay marriage (he's still somewhat of a moderate on those issues, though).
Not sure at this moment who I'd vote for, maybe a third party or maybe not at all.

If the republicans make social conservativism and issue this election I will certainly not be voting for them.
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It would be unwise for the Republicans to let the Democrats choose their candidate. The New York Times selected John McCain as the best Republican candidate and we know what happened then.
 
Grant said:
It would be unwise for the Republicans to let the Democrats choose their candidate. The New York Times selected John McCain as the best Republican candidate and we know what happened then.
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Yeah, well, GOP voters selected him too. Honestly he was probably the best candidate out of all the nominees the GOP fielded in '08, and that's why he won the nomination.
 
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iamitter said:
dadt fight is over.
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but manchin's still there

as are the nelsons, mccaskill, webb, tester, conrad...

each is gonna have to defend his or her RECORD (those who haven't already announced retirement, that is)

and THERE's your 2012 presidential campaign---barack hussein obama's RECORD

have fun with it

why do you think WEINER WANTS OUT

what pushed HILLARY OVER THE EDGE

americans KNOW
 
Grant said:
It would be unwise for the Republicans to let the Democrats choose their candidate. The New York Times selected John McCain as the best Republican candidate and we know what happened then.
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McCain probably was the best Republican candidate. Frankly, the anti-bush sentiment was ridiculously strong in '08 and the democrats could have probably won with anybody.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Yeah, well, GOP voters selected him too. Honestly he was probably the best candidate out of all the nominees the GOP fielded in '08, and that's why he won the nomination.
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I rather doubt that, just as I doubt BHO was the best candidate.

The American people corrected their error with Jimmy Carter and it will be the same with Barrack Obama.
 
iamitter said:
McCain probably was the best Republican candidate. Frankly, the anti-bush sentiment was ridiculously strong in '08 and the democrats could have probably won with anybody.
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Yes, there's a lot of truth on that. That's why the strategy was to tie McCain to Bush, and it worked.
 
Grant said:
I rather doubt that, just as I doubt BHO was the best candidate.

The American people corrected their error with Jimmy Carter and it will be the same with Barrack Obama.
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They didn't correct their error with GWB... and Obama isn't worse than him, at least not yet. If he gets booted out of the WH next year, he wouldn't be considered one of the worst presidents in modern history. He wouldn't be one of the best presidents either though...
 
SheWolf said:
They didn't correct their error with GWB... and Obama isn't worse than him, at least not yet. If he gets booted out of the WH next year, he wouldn't be considered one of the worst presidents in modern history. He wouldn't be one of the best presidents either though...
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There was no viable Democratic candidate to run against George Bush in either election.

Yes, it's difficult to judge Presidents when in the thick of things but I'm not sure what accomplishments BHO and his supporters can point to that would convince others that he was a good President. I can't see any, can you?
 
Grant said:
There was no viable Democratic candidate to run against George Bush in either election.

Yes, it's difficult to judge Presidents when in the thick of things but I'm not sure what accomplishments BHO and his supporters can point to that would convince others that he was a good President. I can't see any, can you?
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The only area he has done a lot in, is gay rights... and I happen to agree with everything he's done there.

As for viable candidates, some would argue the Obama wasn't one himself... He didn't have experience, McCain did, but he kicked the crap out of McCain in the voting booth.
 
Grant said:
I rather doubt that, just as I doubt BHO was the best candidate.

The American people corrected their error with Jimmy Carter and it will be the same with Barrack Obama.
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Who would you say was the best GOP candidate? And if so, why couldn't he beat out McCain?
 
rocket88 said:
He's just relying on the old Bill O'Reilly trick of lumping in everybody that's to the left of him as "ultra-liberal." Problem is, Centrists are to his left because he inhabits a space that is definitely to the right of center.
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Oh, center right? Hmmmm....That places me squarely with the majority of the country.

j-mac
 
The Prof said:
but manchin's still there

as are the nelsons, mccaskill, webb, tester, conrad...

each is gonna have to defend his or her RECORD (those who haven't already announced retirement, that is)

and THERE's your 2012 presidential campaign---barack hussein obama's RECORD

have fun with it

why do you think WEINER WANTS OUT

what pushed HILLARY OVER THE EDGE

americans KNOW
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DADT is going to be so hard to defend..."oh, the military wanted it, it was the right thing to do, America wanted it, we did it".

The key issue in 2012 will be the exact same key issue every of every other election, the economy.
 
iamitter said:
Frankly, the anti-bush sentiment was ridiculously strong in '08 and the democrats could have probably won with anybody.
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The Republican Party upper echelon knew that, so they sent in the sacrifical lamb McCain. No Republican with any potential future political aspirations wanted to be associated with that losing team so McCain was left to pick the completely unprepared Palin.

Personally I think McCain was short changed by the party.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Who would you say was the best GOP candidate? And if so, why couldn't he beat out McCain?
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Romney had it locked up until Huckabee and McCain made their little deal with the devil for McCain. Romney would have wiped up the floor with Obama.

j-mac
 
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