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Who's in hell? Pastor's book sparks eternal debate

The atheist who spend his life working for aid agencies would go to hell. It's his sins that send him there, not his good works that get him into heaven.

So even though he dedicated his life to helping people, risked his life in the proccess...

He goes to hell?

That sounds like a pretty unjust god to me.

I put no stock in religion.

The holy books were written by men, they are imperfect.

If there is a benevolent all powerful god up there.

I can tell you that the aid worker is going to heaven.

Reciting words from a book, and 'accepting christ into your heart' does not make one a good person, or worthy of eternal paradise.
 
Me being a Deist, and have done some studying on all religions, even a couple of world religions courses. In my experience buddism was the least hateful and contradicting.
 
Does Gandhi go to hell? I don't really know. That's for another thread, but let's get right down to the nitty gritty. How about Protestants and Catholics? I was brought up Baptist, and my wife was brought up Catholic. When we were ready to get married, her priest refused to perform the ceremony, and told me to my face that I was about to drag her to hell.

Nothing personal, but I find this VERY hard to believe. My wife is Buddhist and we had no problem getting our wedding in a Catholic Church and recorded on my baptismal record. Only needed a dispensation from the bishop, which was no problem. Catholic teachings are generally far more inclusive of who will go to heaven than most Protestant groups are, including Baptists based on my conversations with them...
 
Anyone who has not been forgiven of sin will be sent to hell because of those sins. The only way to be forgiven is to repent before God. Jesus is the only one who can forgive sin, thus everyone but repentant and forgiven Christians will go to hell. God's love and Grace is strong enough to forgive any sin, however in order to be forgiven we must repent and believe in Jesus and the sacrifice He made. Only God and the individual knows if they are saved, so it's not our place to judge. However, all others will go to hell for their unforgiven sins because their sins prevent them from being in God's Presence and demand judgement. I do believe that this pastor should have been fired.

But I believe a loving God will give everyone a chance to repent of those sins... and I believe even after death, we will get that chance... We all fall short of the glory of God and remember that God loves all of us and that Jesus died so our sins can be forgiven... Thank God the Catholic faith allows for this in Purgatory...
 
Nothing personal, but I find this VERY hard to believe. My wife is Buddhist and we had no problem getting our wedding in a Catholic Church and recorded on my baptismal record. Only needed a dispensation from the bishop, which was no problem. Catholic teachings are generally far more inclusive of who will go to heaven than most Protestant groups are, including Baptists based on my conversations with them...

Yeah, from my experience Protestants (specifically Calvinists) that I know have a more negative view on salvation in general compared to Catholics.
 
Yeah, from my experience Protestants (specifically Calvinists) that I know have a more negative view on salvation in general compared to Catholics.

Calvinists, and those offshoots of Puritanism, including the Baptists, are pretty closed on the topic in my experience... I agree...
 
Nothing personal, but I find this VERY hard to believe. My wife is Buddhist and we had no problem getting our wedding in a Catholic Church and recorded on my baptismal record. Only needed a dispensation from the bishop, which was no problem. Catholic teachings are generally far more inclusive of who will go to heaven than most Protestant groups are, including Baptists based on my conversations with them...

It's the main reason my wife left the Catholic church.
 
It's the main reason my wife left the Catholic church.

Once again, in all honesty, this is the first time I have heard of a mixed-faith couple denied matrimony in a Catholic Church. Dispensations from the Bishop are pretty routine in most cases. I have known many Catholics who have married Protestants as well as Buddhists and Jews in the Church. This is the very first time I have ever heard of it being denied. There may be something else going on you are not telling us...
 
Let's say there is a forgotten tribe somewhere in the Amazon that never heard of Christianity, what happens to them when they die?
 
Reminds me of a song by Ray Wylie Hubbard called Conversation With the Devil.



I had a dream last night I was cast into Hell by a jealous God
The Devil walked up and said you don't need no lightning rod
It hardly ever rains down here I can't recall the last storm
You aint gonna need that leather jacket it gets kinda warm
There's one way in there's no way out looks like you're to stay
The place is a mess, it's overcrowded, more are coming in everyday

I said ah man, wait a minute there's gotta be something wrong
I aint a bad guy just write these little songs
I always pay my union dues don't stay in the passing lane
And he said what about all that whiskey and the cocaine
I said well yeah but that's no reason to throw me in Hell
Cause I didn't use the cocaine to get high, I just liked the way it smelled

He said come on over here son, let me show you around
Over there's where we put the preachers, I never liked those clowns
They're always blaming me for everything wrong under the sun
It aint harder to do what's right, it's just maybe not as much fun
Then they walk around thinking they're better than me and you
Then they get caught in a motel room doing what they said not to do

Now the murderers and the rapists they go in this firey lake
As well as most of the politicians and the cops on the take
And all the mothers that wait to get to KMart to spank their kids
Instead of showing them how to do what's right, they just hit 'em for what they
did
And all the daddy's who run off and abandon their daughters and sons
Oh anybody that hurts a child is gonna burn until there done


Everybody is down here I said who's up in Heaven with God and the Son
Oh some saints and mystics and students of metaphysics 101
People who care and share and love and try to do what's right
Beautiful old souls who read little stories to their babies every night
What you wont find up in Heaven are Christian Coalition Right Wing
Conservatives
Country program directors and Nashville record executives


Now I said I've made some mistakes, but I'm not as bad as those guys
How can God do this to me can't she sympathize
He said you're wrong about God being cruel and mean
Oh God is the most loving thing that's never been seen
I said hotshot tell me this which religion is the truest
He said there all about the same, Budda was not a Christian, but Jesus
woulda made a good buddist

Well I thought about my future I didn't seem to have much of one
I looked around to leave but there was no place to run
I said I don't suppose I could go back and try living again
You know like reincarnation I hear that's the way it's always been
I can't answer that he said you're gonna have to wait for that response
But it's not any more unusual to be born twice than it is to be born once

Well it looked like I was gonna be stuck here as far as I could tell
I thought I might as well suck up you know what the hell
I said you know that song that Charlie Daniels did
About how you went down to Georgia and played fiddle against that kid
He said yeah it broke my heart but you know what are you gonna do
I said to tell you the truth I thought your solo was the better of the two

Well then I woke up and I was lying in my bed
I went upstairs and kissed my little boy on his sleeping head
I took this dream as a sign from God so I thought I'd better pray
I said don't ever speak to me directly and thanks anyway
Now so much has changed about me besides me just giving up red meat
Some get spiritual cause they see the light and some cause they feel the
heat
 
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Hell is just a figment of a believer's imagination. ****, if it's true at least all be chilling with some of the greatest musicians and minds to have ever lived.
 
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