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New milestone: 1 in 6 Americans is Hispanic

Harry Guerrilla said:
La Raza is a Hispanic Social group, I'm sure there are some fringe members that have the completely unrealistic goal of taking over the western U.S. but that goal won't materialize.

The majority of the movement doesn't give two craps about taking over the western U.S.
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I wish their website was up, but it won't load for me today. They have withdrawn backing for a couple militant groups when it became clear they where. well, militant.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Do you even READ WHAT I WRITE!??!
There are more than one La Raza Group / Organization!!!!
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Well then find something on the group you are talking about. We are talking about the one you and ptif linked editorials on.
 
Redress said:
I wish their website was up, but it won't load for me today. They have withdrawn backing for a couple militant groups when it became clear they where. well, militant.
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Which La Raza group? The terrorist one? The supremicist one? The one that wants Aztlan? The one that Lobbys the Fed Govt so Illegals are made real American Citizens and get off scottfree?? The Chicago gang that is more violent than any other gang in Chicagos history??? WHICH La Raza?????
 
Redress said:
LoLZ

The same liberal principles that helped us spank conservatives the 2 elections before 2010? The economy is the driving force in most elections, I am not worried about our principles.

Illegal immigration is not something any of the liberals in this thread has come out in favor of that I have seen. Myself and other liberals in fact have condemned it. You cannot get more anti-illegal immigration than myself. Your straw man is painfully weak.

Further, the OP has exactly jack and **** to do with illegal immigration. It is about hispanics in America, which by a huge margin are here legally. Do you want to address what people are actually saying, or are you going to keep attacking your own made up talking points, what you wish we were saying?
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Nonesense try running that on someone that doesnt know better...Illegal immigration is the bulk of the hispanic population and many of the hispanice citizens are citizens merely because they were born in this country after their parents illegally invaded us....
I dont blame liberals alone for illegal immigration...its just as much republicans faults...the teaparty doesnt even mention it....what I blame liberals for is the RACE CARD nonesense....that does not work with me...Ill just tell you yup Im a racist...dont like it ? so what, now what do you want to talk about.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Which La Raza group? The terrorist one? The supremicist one? The one that wants Aztlan? The one that Lobbys the Fed Govt so Illegals are made real American Citizens and get off scottfree?? The Chicago gang that is more violent than any other gang in Chicagos history??? WHICH La Raza?????
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National Council of La Raza. Which ones are you referring to? Please provide some sources about them, since the one your sources talk about is the one I am talking about.
 
sazerac said:
Want it or not, the fact that there is a prosperous country on the northern border of Mexico means that no jobs program is at all dire. No civilized people should tolerate it.
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Unfortunately for Mexico, they can't deficit/stimulus spend the way we can, and they have serious security problems which take precedence before jobs. It's hard to create wealth, attract foreign investment, and promote a healthy economy when a large part of your country is getting shot the **** up.
 
Marshabar said:
If a minority becomes a majority is it still a minority?

Will middle class white men gain minority status if they are outnumbered?
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I think it will be long while before a particular ethnic/racial minority group becomes a majority, so I'm not worrying bout that right now. Even if whites become a minority they're still a major plurality.
 
lpast said:
Nonesense try running that on someone that doesnt know better...Illegal immigration is the bulk of the hispanic population and many of the hispanice citizens are citizens merely because they were born in this country after their parents illegally invaded us....
I dont blame liberals alone for illegal immigration...its just as much republicans faults...the teaparty doesnt even mention it....what I blame liberals for is the RACE CARD nonesense....that does not work with me...Ill just tell you yup Im a racist...dont like it ? so what, now what do you want to talk about.
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Not according to any of the numbers I can find. 50.5 million hispanics according the the OP source. This source has the number of illegals at 11 million, which as roughly average among sources: Number of illegal immigrants in U.S. drops, report says

The drop has contributed to an 8 percent decrease in the estimated number of illegal immigrants living in the United States, from a peak of 12 million in 2007 to 11.1 million in 2009, the report said. Of the 11.1 million, 60 percent came from Mexico, 20 percent from other parts of Latin America, 11 percent from Asia, and 8 percent from Africa, Europe, Canada and elsewhere. The new figures come amid a heated national debate over efforts by Arizona and other jurisdictions to identify people who are here illegally and push to have them deported.
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So go ahead and feel free to show some evidence that most hispanics are illegal.
 
lpast said:
Nonesense try running that on someone that doesnt know better...Illegal immigration is the bulk of the hispanic population and many of the hispanice citizens are citizens merely because they were born in this country after their parents illegally invaded us....
I dont blame liberals alone for illegal immigration...its just as much republicans faults...the teaparty doesnt even mention it....what I blame liberals for is the RACE CARD nonesense....that does not work with me...Ill just tell you yup Im a racist...dont like it ? so what, now what do you want to talk about.
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Let's talk about backing up some of your claims with evidence.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think it will be long while before a particular ethnic/racial minority group becomes a majority, so I'm not worrying bout that right now. Even if whites become a minority they're still a major plurality.
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I dont know how old you are...but the estimates ive read is hispanics will be the majority starting in 15 yrs...right around the time the baby boomers start dieing off.
 
lpast said:
I dont know how old you are...but the estimates ive read is hispanics will be the majority starting in 15 yrs...right around the time the baby boomers start dieing off.
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From what I've read, minority groups AS A WHOLE (meaning non-whites) will become the majority around 2050 (count: FORTY years from now). At that point, Hispanics would STILL be a minority, so i'd say you're 15-year estimate is either really paranoid or you misinterpreted what you read.

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-08-13/us/census.minorities_1_hispanic-population-census-bureau-white-population?_s=PM:US
 
Redress said:
OK, their site is back up, please let me refer you to this page: National Council of La Raza | The Truth About NCLR
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OH! That one! Thats the one with the Lobbyists. They feel ILLEGAL latinos have done nothing wrong. Thats like saying to a drunk driver that they did nothing wrong. In fact I feel that Illegals in this country is much more serious problem than say, DUIs. When we do nothing about this problem or people that feel illegal latinos in this country is no big deal, to me thats like saying your ****-faced and driving. No biggie.
 
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The only ones that care so much about illegal immigrants are the ones without a former college education -- other than that middle-class and upper-class aren't affected by this problem. You want to obtain a job that illegal immigrants can't have? Become a doctor, a scientist, an engineer, or etc -- and leave the menial labor job to those who really want to do them.
 
lawlking said:
The only ones that care so much about illegal immigrants are the ones without a former college education -- other than that middle-class and upper-class aren't affected by this problem. You want to obtain a job that illegal immigrants can't have? Become a doctor, a scientist, an engineer, or etc -- and leave the menial labor job to those who really want to do them.
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Thats one of the dumbest most ignorant positions on this topic Ive read. Look man, read the whole thread and learn. Or just go strait here: Facts, Figures And Statistics On Illegal Immigration
 
The Giant Noodle said:
OH! That one! Thats the one with the Lobbyists. They feel ILLEGAL latinos have done nothing wrong. Thats like saying to a drunk driver that they did nothing wrong. In fact I feel that Illegals in this country is much more serious problem than say, DUIs. When we do nothing about this problem or people that feel illegal latinos in this country is no big deal, to me thats like saying your ****-faced and driving. No biggie.
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Actually you are mistaken and have worked with congress on strengthening border security and slowing illegal immigration. They are in favor of reforming immigration laws, which is an entirely different thing.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Thats one of the dumbest most ignorant positions on this topic Ive read. Look man, read the whole thread and learn. Or just go strait here: Facts, Figures And Statistics On Illegal Immigration
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"Dumbest most ignorant positions" LOL you know it's true. Anyone who is middle and upper class citizens don't care because they know they aren't affected by this.

We have intelligent scientists hat continue to research and prevent any diseases if one were to outbreak. We conquered the H1NA, Bird Flu, Mad Cow Diseases, and other diseases that occurred in the passed decade.
 
Redress said:
Actually you are mistaken and have worked with congress on strengthening border security and slowing illegal immigration. They are in favor of reforming immigration laws, which is an entirely different thing.
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Nope. And their "reform" is basically open borders.


The La Raza open borders network represents the well-funded far-left anti-enforcement mob that is "the other side" of the majority of Americans. This vast majority of Americans urgently seeks defined, defended borders, rational and sustainable lawful immigration and a return to the rule of law upon which our republic was founded.


A few of the organizations and websites in the radical open borders network include:

•National Council of La Raza
•We Can Stop The Hate - Propaganda spin website sponsored by La Raza and friends
•MALDEF - Mexican American legal Defense & Educational Fund
•Truth In Immigration - Spin website by MALDEF
•LULAC - League of United Latin American Citizens
•MEChA - Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan
•America's Voice
•AILA - American immigration Lawyers Association
•Immigration Works - trade-based organization
•ADL - Anti-Defamation League
•Southern Poverty Law Center (see much more info)
•Latinos Against Hate Speech propaganda website
•Immigration Policy - a poor attempt to counter the reputable Center for Immigration Studies
•GALEO - Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials
•Center for a New Community
•Service Employees International Union
•and others, including numerous open borders blogs.
A common theme that runs across these websites and other open borders websites and blogs is that of personal attacks against those who stand for immigration sanity and enforcement of our immigration and employment laws.

The clear intent of these personal attacks is two-fold:

1.To intimidate and silence those who want United States immigration laws enforced and the issue of legal and illegal immigration to be honestly debated, and
2.To pepper the internet with false information, innuendo and guilt-by-association attacks, so as to fool the uninformed reader and the media into marginalizing the true immigration reform message - and then refer back to these self-invented allegations as a method of "proof".

Center for Immigration Truth - exposing the La Raza open borders special interest network - the truth about immigration reform and amnesty for illegal aliens
 
Do you have anything like an unbiased source? Radical anti-immigration sites are not the most reliable on the subject. I mean, your sources so far have been an op-ed and an anti-NCLR site. Unfortunately, the NCLR site seems to be down for me again.
 
Some interesting stuff, more coming after this. The following link and quotes are from the Independent Task Force on Immigration and America’s Future's report, which NCLR President and CEO Janet Murguía served on and endorsed: http://www.migrationpolicy.org/task_force/new_chapter_summary.pdf

Mandatory employer verification and workplace enforcement should be at the center of more effective immigration enforcement reforms. Without them, other reforms — including border enforcement — cannot succeed.
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I agree with this 100 %(take away the reason to come here illegally and hopefully fewer people will come here, whereas if people can come here illegally and know they have a good chance at a job, you will never stop them) and have advocated such on these boards. This is not open borders.

Smart borders. To accomplish these goals, implementation of “smart border” measures that combine personnel, equipment, and technology should be accelerated. The administration should submit an annual report to Congress and the American people that establishes measures of effectiveness for border enforcement and reports progress in meeting them.
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Holy ****, this is advocated by some one who favors open boarders? Really?

The proposed system would initially set annual immigration levels at about 1.5 million, approximately 300,000 less than the actual annual number of immigrants — legal and illegal — being absorbed into the labor market and the country today.
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Well, so much for open borders....
 
We support enforcement for two basic reasons: First, as Americans, we recognize that it s the right thing to do.

And second, we recognize that enforcement is the framework through which the White House, Congress, and the 260 million Americans whom they represent view a well-functioning immigration system.
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Those are the words of the head of NCLR. Does this sound like an open border fanatic? She, and NCLR support amnesty for illegals(which I strongly disagree with), but that does not make them for open borders.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061201062827/http://www.nclr.org/files/42528_file_CHICANOFEDSPEECHMAY2005FINAL.pdf
 
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