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New milestone: 1 in 6 Americans is Hispanic

Im not in the GOP. Im in the Common Sense Party. (and at this point you cant join)

:lol: Yeah....uh thanks. I'm all set, dude. Keep your party.

Im a Independant / Libertarian. For you to agree that ILLEGAL aliens should be in this country makes you EXTREMELY ignorant on this topic. If you dont know anything about this topic, please just sit back and read. Dont make foolish comments please. :2wave:

:lol: Good for you. I'm an independent/liberal. Who cares? How ironic of you to accuse me of making ignorant statements. Your post is full of them. First, I never even mentioned illegal immigrants. Here's the conversation:

The Giant Noodle said:
I feel we need to kick out as many illegals in this Country as possible and as soon as possible. And if an illegal mexican pops out an anchor baby, that baby is NOT a citizen of this Country. This is an invasion people! Why we arent doing anything about it is INSANE!!! You folks like getting your tax dollars robbed and eating tacos THAT much!?!?

Sgt Meowenstein said:
Ignorant drivel like that is why hispanics are running from the GOP in droves. Keep it up. Pretty soon, the GOP will be exclusively angry white men....oh, wait. It already is. Never mind. Carry on

Please point out to me where I even mention illegal immigration, let alone voiced support for it.

Since you can't even comprehend the meaning of one simple ****ing post of mine, I suggest you refrain from criticism of others. I think it'd be best if you just sit down and shut up. :2wave:
 
La Raza is a Hispanic Social group, I'm sure there are some fringe members that have the completely unrealistic goal of taking over the western U.S. but that goal won't materialize.

The majority of the movement doesn't give two craps about taking over the western U.S.

So you refuse to read the article
 
Estimates mean nothing.People low ball the estimate to make it seem not as bad as it is

Or they highball them to make it seem worse than it is. That would be why I included a range...
 
The only ones that care so much about illegal immigrants are the ones without a former college education -- other than that middle-class and upper-class aren't affected by this problem. You want to obtain a job that illegal immigrants can't have? Become a doctor, a scientist, an engineer, or etc -- and leave the menial labor job to those who really want to do them.

So they should be allowed to break our laws and take our jobs when we have 9% unemployment?

Impacts Of Illegal Immigration: Crime


In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities, as follows

* 46,000 in Federal prisons
* 74,000 in state prisons
* 147,000 in local jails

The article also notes that approximately 27% of all prisoners in Federal custody are criminal illegal aliens and the majority (63%) of those are Mexican citizens. However, the large Mexican component is mostly due to the fact that the majority of illegal aliens are from Mexico and the incarceration rate is only slightly above the Mexican representation (~57%) of the illegal aliens in the overall illegal alien population, although a more recent crossing analysis indicates a much higher Mexican content.

The article goes on to state that in fiscal 2004, the Federal govt. spent $1.4 billion to incarcerate criminal aliens. This total included $280 million of reimbursements made to state and local governments under the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program [SCAAP] - a Department of Justice program managed by the Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA) - but SCAAP funds cover less than 25% of the full cost of incarcerating criminal aliens, leaving the balance of 75% to be picked up by the local jurisdiction.

It is worth noting that all the incarceration costs, some $5.6 billion in 2004, are ultimately paid for by the taxpayers. Throughout this paper, it is worth noting the costs being imposed on society for illegal aliens as you will see that the costs will continue to accumulate, often dramatically so. It is also worth noting that with proper border security and immigration enforcement there would be few illegal aliens and little of those costs would be incurred thus allowing a cost-benefit analysis.

The GAO issued a report, number GAO-05-337R, entitled Information on Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails on May 9, 2005, prepared for the Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims. It noted:

"At the federal level, the number of criminal aliens incarcerated increased from about 42,000 at the end of calendar year 2001 to about 49,000 at the end of calendar year 2004--a 15 percent increase. The percentage of all federal prisoners who are criminal aliens has remained the same over the last 3 years--about 27 percent. The majority of criminal aliens incarcerated at the end of calendar year 2004 were identified as citizens of Mexico. We estimate the federal cost of incarcerating criminal aliens--BOP's cost to incarcerate criminals and reimbursements to state and local governments under SCAAP--totaled approximately $5.8 billion for calendar years 2001 through 2004. BOP's cost to incarcerate criminal aliens rose from about $950 million in 2001 to about $1.2 billion in 2004--a 14 percent increase."

And interestingly notes:

"Federal reimbursements for incarcerating criminal aliens in state prisons and local jails declined from $550 million in 2001 to $280 million in 2004, in a large part due to a reduction in congressional appropriations."

This illustrates the failings of your government as the Federal Government is responsible for securing the borders but allows more and more illegal aliens to violate the sovereignty of the United States. However, when the illegal aliens commit crimes and are arrested, they are paying less and less of the state and local costs of incarcerating them. That's something you might want to ask your state's congressional members about. Although notable, the public cost of incarcerating illegal aliens is trivial alongside the carnage they imposed on their victims. Remember, incarcerated illegal alien perpetrators committed crime before being incarcerated. So the question is "How much crime?"
 
Estimates mean nothing.People low ball the estimate to make it seem not as bad as it is

You're going to have to back up your claims with some evidence or else they don't mean jack ****. Also Redress gave a range.
 
You're going to have to back up your claims with some evidence or else they don't mean jack ****. Also Redress gave a range.

How do you prove an estimate? No one knows how many illegals are here. Do you think they participate in a census? It could be 40 to 50 Million

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-norfolk/just-how-many-illegal-aliens-are-the-united-states

Using the Border Patrol’s own data and considering the relative ease with which drug smugglers and illegal aliens make multiple crossings into this country, the more realistic number is much closer to 60-70 million.
 
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How do you prove an estimate? No one knows how many illegals are here. Do you think they participate in a census? It could be 40 to 50 Million

An estimate is just that - an estimate. It could be lower, it could be higher than a particular number. That is why a RANGE was given. Now if you could provide some POSITIVE evidence that the number of illegals is actually much higher than the estimate, that would be nice. Otherwise your claims are just conjecture and nothing else. I'm not asking for absolute proof, I'm asking you to provide some evidence to back up your claim that the estimate Redress gave was too low. If you can't back up your claims with some evidence (read: EVIDENCE, not necessarily PROOF), then your claims are completely baseless and you have no real reason for believing what you believe.

Edit: okay I see the edit to your post. At least you gave me some evidence. Thank you.
 
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Is it true that many hispanic immigrants hate America unlike immigrants who came here from Europe and Asia in the past?
 
LoLZ

The same liberal principles that helped us spank conservatives the 2 elections before 2010? The economy is the driving force in most elections, I am not worried about our principles.

Illegal immigration is not something any of the liberals in this thread has come out in favor of that I have seen. Myself and other liberals in fact have condemned it. You cannot get more anti-illegal immigration than myself. Your straw man is painfully weak.

Further, the OP has exactly jack and **** to do with illegal immigration. It is about hispanics in America, which by a huge margin are here legally. Do you want to address what people are actually saying, or are you going to keep attacking your own made up talking points, what you wish we were saying?

Redress after Jimmy carter did the liberal thang and made a fool out of us across the globe the libs were done for 12 yrs and then a more moderate clinton got in for another 4 then a conservative clinton for the last 4...then 8 yrs of bush, now 4 of obama and the cycle of 12-16 yrs of republicans will begin...Obama will not be re elected UNLESS the republicans put up a far right candidate that scares the hell out of the middle class...but I doubt thats going to happen.
I stand firmly behind illegal immigration is raping our country and you libs love it for the votes...and you dont care how much damage its doing
 
Redress after Jimmy carter did the liberal thang and made a fool out of us across the globe the libs were done for 12 yrs and then a more moderate clinton got in for another 4 then a conservative clinton for the last 4...then 8 yrs of bush, now 4 of obama and the cycle of 12-16 yrs of republicans will begin...Obama will not be re elected UNLESS the republicans put up a far right candidate that scares the hell out of the middle class...but I doubt thats going to happen.
I stand firmly behind illegal immigration is raping our country and you libs love it for the votes...and you dont care how much damage its doing

Illegals can't vote. Or at least if they are, they are breaking the rules.
 
They care nothing about rules or they would not be here

That has no bearing on whether or not they are actually able to vote. For them to vote, SOMEONE ELSE would have to break the rules and look the other way so they can register.
 
That has no bearing on whether or not they are actually able to vote. For them to vote, SOMEONE ELSE would have to break the rules and look the other way so they can register.

They have false ID card and SS cards. To work they do idenity theft. I worked at a company where 10 people had the same SS number until the Border patrol came in.
 
Is it true that many hispanic immigrants hate America unlike immigrants who came here from Europe and Asia in the past?

Every hispanic immigrant I've met loves this country, and actually appreciates it more than your average natural-born citizen does.
 
Every hispanic immigrant I've met loves this country, and actually appreciates it more than your average natural-born citizen does.

Thats funny HAHA
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Thats why we have all these radical La Raza groups because of love.
 
Thats funny HAHA
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Thats why we have all these radical La Raza groups because of love.

I will happily tell the hispanics I served with that you think they hate this country. I am sure that will go over very well...
 
You sound like a liberal hack and a person that loves those that break our laws

At least he has not had every "fact" he posted in this thread shown to be wrong. You and Noodle however...
 
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