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White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

VanceMack said:
So...ummm...why didnt you mention the members of his own party that believe his action was an impeachable offense? That blind mindless ideology got you so spun up all you see is evil republicans that oppose him or his actions? Last polls I saw showed more republicans supported the presidents actions than did democrats. Granted that was...what...Thursday afternoon...so that may have changed.

So are YOU a racist? I mean since you keep bringin it up. I mean since you and you ALONE keep bringing it up. Damned racist democrats. You'd think they would have grown...learned...moved forward. But no...
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Why didn't I mention members of his own party, did President Obama change parties?Is President Obama still a democrat? I really don't care which party disagrees with his foreign policy in Libya nor do I care how many here disagree with his actions in Libya.

I have a multi racial family, served in combat with the US infantry in Viet Nam where six out of the nine in my squad where minorities, so your right I am a racist.

Those who disagree with the decision to get involved seem to change their mind every time the wind changes direction I do not see any uniformity or consistency in those who believe that the effort in Libya is wrong, I struggled to make a decision based on my limited knowledge of why we are involved, the Presidents party had nothing to do with my conclusion, I don't believe that America gets involved in any conflict, police action or war that does not in some way benefit American interests. With the UN backing the effort in Libya and America not spear heading the decision the only real American interest I can see is an interest to prevent the imminent slaughter of other human beings.

The President has stated that our policy the American policy would be the removal of Kadafy he has also stated that our mission in Libya is to prevent the slaughter of the oppositon party I do not see a conflict between American policy and this mission, it is possible to stop the slaughter without removing Kadafy, It is possible to remove Kadafi with out killing him. What happens in Libya will have an effect on what happens in the other middle eastern countries we can be part of the struggle or we can sit back and watch what happens. We did not interfere in Egypt where the protests did not include the slaughter of thousands of people. President Obama's reluctance to get involved any more then what we are in the middle east indicates that he is willing to let the different protesting countries work through to their own out come.

Maybe it's possible that the Presidents decision to participate in Libya is not tainted by US interests in oil, maybe that is why their is so much resistance to our being in Libya, maybe as I have suggested racial bias, a chance to further defame the President plays into the resistance to our involvement in Libya.

To this point I have not denigrated the character of any poster here, I wonder how much different people would be if they had to sit across the table from one another when participating in debates
 
Mayor Snorkum said:
Then shouldn't Obama fire Eric Holder and otherwise get the racists out of his administration so he can try to recapture that six percent his racist appointees have supposedly cost him?


Just in case you missed it, the Race Card has been overplayed and is no longer accepted in play. Participants in debates are expected to produce real arguments now.
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Is it your opinion that the race card has been over played our do you have a source if so please supply it, my opinion backed up by a Stanford survey disagrees with your opinion. You can dismiss my opinion you can try to hide it away but that won't make it go away.

I base my opinion on what I see and hear not on what your opinion is, my opinion is based on some of the unexplainable rhetoric for instance what would lead 51% of registered republicans to believe that President Obama was not born in America and another 23% to question his place of birth, If President Obama was white would this be an issue, if it not racism what is shaping these opinions enlighten me as to what possible reason they have for not believeing that he was not born in America. Is it that they don't believe that the NRC has the ability and means to make that determination?
 
EarlzP said:
Is it your opinion that the race card has been over played our do you have a source if so please supply it, my opinion backed up by a Stanford survey disagrees with your opinion. You can dismiss my opinion you can try to hide it away but that won't make it go away.

I base my opinion on what I see and hear not on what your opinion is, my opinion is based on some of the unexplainable rhetoric for instance what would lead 51% of registered republicans to believe that President Obama was not born in America and another 23% to question his place of birth, If President Obama was white would this be an issue, if it not racism what is shaping these opinions enlighten me as to what possible reason they have for not believeing that he was not born in America. Is it that they don't believe that the NRC has the ability and means to make that determination?
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Where to start, first of all earl obama wrote two books you should read them and you may find where the questioning of his birthplace were spawned.You and others need to stop whining about people questioning Obamas birth place and start yelling at OBAMA to just produce his american birthcertificate...WHERE IS IT..
The governor of Hawaii cant find it...its amazing the level of denial obama supporters will stoop too and its even more incredible that after more than two years of observing his campaign lies, missteps, muslim arse kissing, FAILURES of all his policies you can still have the ordasity to try and use the worn out race card.
Pay attention Earl for your own sake, Obama is no different than Jimmy Carter, both utter total complete failures who not only failed america with bad policy but disgraced us in front of the entire world. Last time I checked Carter was a lily white Georgia boy. Obama has gone a step further than carter did...hes trying to bankrupt us so the govt can take over everyones wealth and world and put a gps up everyones arse so they can know what your doing in a nano second.
Wise up buddy...its not about race its about an failed pos whos breaking the back of our great country
 
lpast said:
Where to start, first of all earl obama wrote two books you should read them and you may find where the questioning of his birthplace were spawned.You and others need to stop whining about people questioning Obamas birth place and start yelling at OBAMA to just produce his american birthcertificate...WHERE IS IT..
The governor of Hawaii cant find it...its amazing the level of denial obama supporters will stoop too and its even more incredible that after more than two years of observing his campaign lies, missteps, muslim arse kissing, FAILURES of all his policies you can still have the ordasity to try and use the worn out race card.
Pay attention Earl for your own sake, Obama is no different than Jimmy Carter, both utter total complete failures who not only failed america with bad policy but disgraced us in front of the entire world. Last time I checked Carter was a lily white Georgia boy. Obama has gone a step further than carter did...hes trying to bankrupt us so the govt can take over everyones wealth and world and put a gps up everyones arse so they can know what your doing in a nano second.
Wise up buddy...its not about race its about an failed pos whos breaking the back of our great country
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I am sure that you know that his birth certificate has been examined and has been verified to be real if not I will supply you with the information

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

Denying that his birth certificate is real is no different then denying that racism influences the way people look at the decisions he makes, Your assurances that he is a utter failure are based on what your assurances that the governor of Hawai can't find one.

Why would I give any credibility to any one with out taking advantage of the internet's search capability, ignorance of the facts no longer supports bias arrogance, denying the facts never changed them. I think the stink being slung around by politicians on both sides just supports my claims that racism plays into their thought processes just like it plays into the minds of the 74% of registered republicans who don't believe that President Obama was born in America or the 30 plus percent of democrats that are still racist.

Our great country if left to the republicans would already be economically bankrupt , your assurances that President Obama is trying to bankrupt us is not backed by any reliable sources or the present economical state of America, whether we can be saved or not depends on your definition of saved.

Wake up we don't need to be buddies we just need to be honest, your entitled to your opinion and so am I the difference is I try to base mine on facts not hear say and chain-mails started by desperate irrational individuals who play on those who won't take the time to sort out the truth from fiction
 
EarlzP said:
Why didn't I mention members of his own party, did President Obama change parties?Is President Obama still a democrat? I really don't care which party disagrees with his foreign policy in Libya nor do I care how many here disagree with his actions in Libya.

I have a multi racial family, served in combat with the US infantry in Viet Nam where six out of the nine in my squad where minorities, so your right I am a racist.

Those who disagree with the decision to get involved seem to change their mind every time the wind changes direction I do not see any uniformity or consistency in those who believe that the effort in Libya is wrong, I struggled to make a decision based on my limited knowledge of why we are involved, the Presidents party had nothing to do with my conclusion, I don't believe that America gets involved in any conflict, police action or war that does not in some way benefit American interests. With the UN backing the effort in Libya and America not spear heading the decision the only real American interest I can see is an interest to prevent the imminent slaughter of other human beings.

The President has stated that our policy the American policy would be the removal of Kadafy he has also stated that our mission in Libya is to prevent the slaughter of the oppositon party I do not see a conflict between American policy and this mission, it is possible to stop the slaughter without removing Kadafy, It is possible to remove Kadafi with out killing him. What happens in Libya will have an effect on what happens in the other middle eastern countries we can be part of the struggle or we can sit back and watch what happens. We did not interfere in Egypt where the protests did not include the slaughter of thousands of people. President Obama's reluctance to get involved any more then what we are in the middle east indicates that he is willing to let the different protesting countries work through to their own out come.

Maybe it's possible that the Presidents decision to participate in Libya is not tainted by US interests in oil, maybe that is why their is so much resistance to our being in Libya, maybe as I have suggested racial bias, a chance to further defame the President plays into the resistance to our involvement in Libya.

To this point I have not denigrated the character of any poster here, I wonder how much different people would be if they had to sit across the table from one another when participating in debates
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Stop bringing up race and I could just about bet you that it will never GET brought up. You are the only one that saw fit to inject race into the discussion. Like I said earlier...you pulled it out of your ass when your other arguments were failing and thats just bad business there, son.

My own position on our action is much less nuanced. Prior to Obamas decision to engage my personal opinion was that we should have announced loud and clear that we were not going to engage Libya militarily but that we fully supported the UN, Arab League, and others who deemed it necessary to do so. We would take whatever diplomatic and political stand we could to work to bring about a peaceful resolution. I didnt see us then clamoring to engage the Saudis, Bahrainians, or any of the other countries where government forces were violently clashing with protesters. In Libya...this isnt protesters being shot at, they aremd rebels not clamoring for political change but attempting the overthrow of a government. Thats called a civil war.

HOWEVER...I have ALSO stated numerous times...the minute my Commander in Chief orders American servicemen into conflict, my position changes. I full on support the soldiers in their mission. At this point, until no American lives are in harms way, I stand unified with my President. End of discussion. United, the USA is a mighty force. Without the political squabbling and infighting (and yes...the political dissension by idiots that would fight against him just because he was a democrat), I believe any enemy with any remaining sense of reason wouldnt take us on. However we present a fractured front...one that our enemies see as weakness. All they have to do is exploit those political weaknesses and see the support of this country erode. And because of that, Servicemen die.
 
Mayor Snorkum said:
Then shouldn't Obama fire Eric Holder and otherwise get the racists out of his administration so he can try to recapture that six percent his racist appointees have supposedly cost him?


Just in case you missed it, the Race Card has been overplayed and is no longer accepted in play. Participants in debates are expected to produce real arguments now.
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Let's not forget that it was Barrack Obama who first made race an issue during the election campaign and it is the Left who have been doing it ever since.
 
VanceMack said:
Stop bringing up race and I could just about bet you that it will never GET brought up. You are the only one that saw fit to inject race into the discussion. Like I said earlier...you pulled it out of your ass when your other arguments were failing and thats just bad business there, son.

My own position on our action is much less nuanced. Prior to Obamas decision to engage my personal opinion was that we should have announced loud and clear that we were not going to engage Libya militarily but that we fully supported the UN, Arab League, and others who deemed it necessary to do so. We would take whatever diplomatic and political stand we could to work to bring about a peaceful resolution. I didnt see us then clamoring to engage the Saudis, Bahrainians, or any of the other countries where government forces were violently clashing with protesters. In Libya...this isnt protesters being shot at, they aremd rebels not clamoring for political change but attempting the overthrow of a government. Thats called a civil war.

HOWEVER...I have ALSO stated numerous times...the minute my Commander in Chief orders American servicemen into conflict, my position changes. I full on support the soldiers in their mission. At this point, until no American lives are in harms way, I stand unified with my President. End of discussion. United, the USA is a mighty force. Without the political squabbling and infighting (and yes...the political dissension by idiots that would fight against him just because he was a democrat), I believe any enemy with any remaining sense of reason wouldnt take us on. However we present a fractured front...one that our enemies see as weakness. All they have to do is exploit those political weaknesses and see the support of this country erode. And because of that, Servicemen die.
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First let me assure that that under the First Amendment my freedom of speech is still guaranteed, as long as I feel that racism is a factor in the way people form opinions I will not let it be swept under the rug. If nothing else I will exercise my first amendment rights.

I will accept your word for it that you have formed an opinion as I have on available facts that have not been tainted by racial bigorty. It is and should be possible to support the young men and women we send into combat without supporting the reason that we went to war. To my knowledge which I have not confirmed as of yet the Libyans started out as protestors and then the situation turned violent.

President Obama waited until he felt we had the support of the Nato, United Arab Emirates, Turkey and other countries before committing the USA to the NATO effort. I think he proceeded as he should have, I am sure you know that you do not have to take the lead to lead, it would have been easy to just target Gadhafi but why not let the Libyan people decide his fate.

Being a combat veteran of Viet Nam I know from first hand experience what it is like to be in the service fighting and knowing that those that you believe that you are fighting for do not support you, but believed then and still believe that it is necessary for people to express their views about why and whether we should be involved in the politics of another country.

Until every person until every human being is judged soley by their actions and inactions I will continue to tell it like I see it.

I don't believe that you and I are that far a part in our thought processes nor in our love of our country
 
EarlzP said:
I am sure that you know that his birth certificate has been examined and has been verified to be real if not I will supply you with the information

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

Denying that his birth certificate is real is no different then denying that racism influences the way people look at the decisions he makes, Your assurances that he is a utter failure are based on what your assurances that the governor of Hawai can't find one.

Why would I give any credibility to any one with out taking advantage of the internet's search capability, ignorance of the facts no longer supports bias arrogance, denying the facts never changed them. I think the stink being slung around by politicians on both sides just supports my claims that racism plays into their thought processes just like it plays into the minds of the 74% of registered republicans who don't believe that President Obama was born in America or the 30 plus percent of democrats that are still racist.

Our great country if left to the republicans would already be economically bankrupt , your assurances that President Obama is trying to bankrupt us is not backed by any reliable sources or the present economical state of America, whether we can be saved or not depends on your definition of saved.

Wake up we don't need to be buddies we just need to be honest, your entitled to your opinion and so am I the difference is I try to base mine on facts not hear say and chain-mails started by desperate irrational individuals who play on those who won't take the time to sort out the truth from fiction
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That link is from 2008 but it makes no difference to me im not a birther...but what I am is a person like most other americans who knows obama has failed miserably and he would still be a failure if he was white green or blue...you behind the times earl...most liberals have given up obama. If you wanted to be an honest person you would admit what you know...he sucks, hes a failure and he should have never been elected...Hillary had it all over him
 
EarlzP said:
First let me assure that that under the First Amendment my freedom of speech is still guaranteed, as long as I feel that racism is a factor in the way people form opinions I will not let it be swept under the rug. If nothing else I will exercise my first amendment rights.

I will accept your word for it that you have formed an opinion as I have on available facts that have not been tainted by racial bigorty. It is and should be possible to support the young men and women we send into combat without supporting the reason that we went to war. To my knowledge which I have not confirmed as of yet the Libyans started out as protestors and then the situation turned violent.

President Obama waited until he felt we had the support of the Nato, United Arab Emirates, Turkey and other countries before committing the USA to the NATO effort. I think he proceeded as he should have, I am sure you know that you do not have to take the lead to lead, it would have been easy to just target Gadhafi but why not let the Libyan people decide his fate.

Being a combat veteran of Viet Nam I know from first hand experience what it is like to be in the service fighting and knowing that those that you believe that you are fighting for do not support you, but believed then and still believe that it is necessary for people to express their views about why and whether we should be involved in the politics of another country.

Until every person until every human being is judged soley by their actions and inactions I will continue to tell it like I see it.

I don't believe that you and I are that far a part in our thought processes nor in our love of our country
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Geez-us...drama queen much? No one is attempting to deny you your rights to free speech...just pointing out how stupid you look when you in particular exercise it. But keep on keepin on man...
 
VanceMack said:
Geez-us...drama queen much? No one is attempting to deny you your rights to free speech...just pointing out how stupid you look when you in particular exercise it. But keep on keepin on man...
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Is the statement below yours, if so are you telling me what I can and can not say? If so do you have a right to deny me of my right to exercise my First Amendment rights?

Stop bringing up race and I could just about bet you that it will never GET brought up. You are the only one that saw fit to inject race into the discussion. Like I said earlier...you pulled it out of your ass when your other arguments were failing and thats just bad business there, son.

I have provided sources that substantiate my position apparently you can not dispute the information I have provided so instead you take to engaging in character assassination.

Racism does exist and there for whether you want it to be brought up or not it needs to be to explain why so many are opposed to President Obama

I watched this year how the tea bagger’s disrupted town hall meetings not allowing speakers to speak or people who had questions to ask and get honest answers; you won’t silence me here or any where else.

Hey maybe people will start looking and judging President Obama as the President of The United States during his second term, it takes time to adjust to a new face and leadership style
 
EarlzP said:
Is the statement below yours, if so are you telling me what I can and can not say? If so do you have a right to deny me of my right to exercise my First Amendment rights?

Stop bringing up race and I could just about bet you that it will never GET brought up. You are the only one that saw fit to inject race into the discussion. Like I said earlier...you pulled it out of your ass when your other arguments were failing and thats just bad business there, son.

I have provided sources that substantiate my position apparently you can not dispute the information I have provided so instead you take to engaging in character assassination.

Racism does exist and there for whether you want it to be brought up or not it needs to be to explain why so many are opposed to President Obama

I watched this year how the tea bagger’s disrupted town hall meetings not allowing speakers to speak or people who had questions to ask and get honest answers; you won’t silence me here or any where else.

Hey maybe people will start looking and judging President Obama as the President of The United States during his second term, it takes time to adjust to a new face and leadership style
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Put it another way...since you feel your rights to free speech have been infringed...IF YOU STOPPED BRINGING UP RACE...I could just about bet you that it will never GET brought up. You are the only race monger in this thread. Kinda comical. More sad and pathetic...but still...kinda funny.
 
EarlzP said:
I think you may be letting your conservative values cloud your judgement, try this go back and make believe that a Conservative President was in office if you can and then form a decision based on what you think would best serve America and the world.

Don't get to upset remember that I said "I think" that is nothing more then my opinion I did not research it so the only source I have is what I read
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Gee, I never thought of that. If I did that then it’s likely I would be supporting the President in Libya today but having lots of problems with the ways it's being handled.

If a Conservative was President today you ask? Why that's simple:

I would be supporting the President but have lots of problems with the way Libya is being handled.

US streets would be filled with protesters against the Libyan operation.

Libya would be considered a "quagmire" already.

The President would be accused of a rush to judgment.

Democrats on the hill would be screaming that they were not properly consulted (and they would be right).

………….. well, you get the idea.
 
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EarlzP said:
I think you may be missing the point, President Obama should continue on doing what his schedule dictates,
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I think jumping into the revolution in Libya merits a schedule change. Especially when a vacation is on the schedule.

Put on that "objective cap" and ask yourself what would I be typing if President McCain jumped into Libya then went on vacation.

EarlzP said:
The United States is not alone on this one the decisions are being made by NATO
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The decisions in Libya are being made by NATO? They are? It's my understanding the military actions are the result of a UNSC resolution.

Libya is not a member of NATO. Why is NATO even involved?

EarlzP said:
I would specualte "my opinion again" if he had cancelled his planned trip to talk to other nations about possible trade agreements there would be a bunch that would jump up and claim that our unemployment situation was less important then Libya.
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I seriously doubt it. But if that thought brings comfort to you..........

EarlzP said:
You state one thing "your support" and then use one of those clubs you reference above to drive home your real point, so not to be real repetitive I will state it again, if President Obama changed color and walked on water some would still hate him.
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My support for President 0bama on Libya has and will remain solid.

I have lots of problems with it. The coalition is fracturing due to lack of leadership and a common focus.

I had lots of problems with Afghanistan, Iraq and virtually every US military operation I’ve read about.

And BTW, you can stuff your racism BS.
 
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EarlzP said:
Actually denying that race is an issue is always the way that racist deal with what is the reality until they get behind closed doors. I hear it all the time from friends as well as family

You can label me any way you want, your opinion has no effect on me. I will tell it like I see and hear it denying it will not make it go away. Your personal attacks on me will not make me go away.
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Bringing race into a discussion that has nothing to do with racial matters is what people do when they have run out of intelligent ideas.
 
American said:
Obama is doing this to get reelected. Gotta have fought a war to get the 2nd term. Remember, never a let a crisis go to waste.
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He was dragged into this kicking and screaming. I really hope that's not the case.
 
EarlzP said:
First let me assure that that under the First Amendment my freedom of speech is still guaranteed, as long as I feel that racism is a factor in the way people form opinions I will not let it be swept under the rug. If nothing else I will exercise my first amendment rights.

I will accept your word for it that you have formed an opinion as I have on available facts that have not been tainted by racial bigorty. It is and should be possible to support the young men and women we send into combat without supporting the reason that we went to war. To my knowledge which I have not confirmed as of yet the Libyans started out as protestors and then the situation turned violent.

President Obama waited until he felt we had the support of the Nato, United Arab Emirates, Turkey and other countries before committing the USA to the NATO effort. I think he proceeded as he should have, I am sure you know that you do not have to take the lead to lead, it would have been easy to just target Gadhafi but why not let the Libyan people decide his fate.

Being a combat veteran of Viet Nam I know from first hand experience what it is like to be in the service fighting and knowing that those that you believe that you are fighting for do not support you, but believed then and still believe that it is necessary for people to express their views about why and whether we should be involved in the politics of another country.

Until every person until every human being is judged soley by their actions and inactions I will continue to tell it like I see it.

I don't believe that you and I are that far a part in our thought processes nor in our love of our country
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Where do we get the right to intervene? Just because we ****ing can?

We have serious economic problems of our own. An F-15E costs about 30 million and we aren't making any more. Tomahawks are over 1 million apiece. So just in ordnance expended, we're hosed of $150m just in cruise missiles and aircraft.

Trying to guide or direct the outcome of a revolution has brought us nothing but turmoil....

Why continue on that path?
 
chevydriver1123 said:
The Murderer in Chief knows exactly what he is doing, but like every other blood thirsty scumbag before him he will get his eventually.
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Wish really hard, be a good boy, and keep putting that on your Christmas list. Who knows.

Don't forget to click your heels three times.
 
Ron Mars said:
Wish really hard, be a good boy, and keep putting that on your Christmas list. Who knows.

Don't forget to click your heels three times.
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Let me guess, your precious little story book never mentions the concept of what goes around, comes around? Ted Kennedy got his via a heart attack and Clinton nearly had one but of course it may not be against him directly it could affect someone he is close too which just inflicts more suffering.
 
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Where do we get the right to intervene? Just because we ****ing can?

We have serious economic problems of our own. An F-15E costs about 30 million and we aren't making any more. Tomahawks are over 1 million apiece. So just in ordnance expended, we're hosed of $150m just in cruise missiles and aircraft.

Trying to guide or direct the outcome of a revolution has brought us nothing but turmoil....

Why continue on that path?
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Since I support this operation in Libya I guess I should answer that as well.

IMO we have a chance to help the Libyan people attain the right to self determination and we should take it.

I have been reading with growing concern about the fractured "coalition" and who some of the rebels are.

Even with all the obvious problems and costs of this operation I firmly believe that strong leadership from 0bama can galvanize the coalition and end this quickly.

He should also be making it perfectly clear to the rebels we have no intention of supporting a jihadi government in Libya. They need to weed out the jihadis from their midst.

The Libyan operation is sorely lacking leadership and focus and has many valid criticisms. It's time for 0bama to earn his medal.
 
chevydriver1123 said:
Let me guess, your precious little story book never mentions the concept of what goes around, comes around? Ted Kennedy got his via a heart attack and Clinton nearly had one but of course it may not be against him directly it could affect someone he is close too which just inflicts more suffering.
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While your wishing ill on President(s) of the United States, I hope you're not leaving out the world’s actual tyrants and murderers.

Remember it's three times.
 
Ron Mars said:
Since I support this operation in Libya I guess I should answer that as well.

IMO we have a chance to help the Libyan people attain the right to self determination and we should take it.

I have been reading with growing concern about the fractured "coalition" and who some of the rebels are.

Even with all the obvious problems and costs of this operation I firmly believe that strong leadership from 0bama can galvanize the coalition and end this quickly.

He should also be making it perfectly clear to the rebels we have no intention of supporting a jihadi government in Libya. They need to weed out the jihadis from their midst.

The Libyan operation is sorely lacking leadership and focus and has many valid criticisms. It's time for 0bama to earn his medal.
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The Coalition has no business helping out in Libya militarily until the situation stabilizes and the intentions of the opposition groups become crystal clear. The Coalition could very well be helping the next Iran come into being.

Are you willing to gamble?
 
Russia NATO envoy warns of full-scale war in Libya....Russia NATO envoy warns of full-scale war in Libya | Reuters

NATO could be dragged into a full-scale war in Libya, like those being waged in Iraq and Afghanistan, Russia's ambassador to the military alliance was quoted as saying on Saturday.

NATO has control of an arms embargo on Libya and agreed this week to assume command of a no-fly zone over its territory but Washington has been left in control of conducting air strikes against Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's ground forces.
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Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has expressed concern over the possibility of civilian deaths and told U.S. President Barack Obama in a telephone conversation earlier this week that such casualties had to be prevented.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, Russia's paramount leader, has taken a harder stance, comparing the U.N. resolution to "medieval calls for crusades."
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ric27 said:
The Coalition has no business helping out in Libya militarily until the situation stabilizes and the intentions of the opposition groups become crystal clear. The Coalition could very well be helping the next Iran come into being.

Are you willing to gamble?
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The situation was already over if the coalition did not intervene.

The wait "until the situation stabilizes" approach had Gaddafi's forces at the gates of Benghazi with nothing to stop them.

And yes, I believe it's in the interest of the free world to aid other nations joining the club.

BTW, I believe you can make valid arguments for not getting involved but IMO the chance that Libya would someday be free and peaceful is worth the risk.
 
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