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SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

Exactly. Until someone proposes a law forcing abortions on people then pro choice people are pro choice. Either way you do what you want.

There is a difference between advocating for the choice to have an abortion and advocating for an abortion. I've never heard of anybody arguing with another person that they should have an abortion.

That's why I find it interesting that people think it is a black vs. white argument. Nobody is arguing the pro-abortion side. I know there are some pro-life people who get delight in calling pro-choice people pro-abortion, but its' completely untrue. It's not an even sided argument. It's an extreme viewpoint vs. a middle ground viewpoint
 
That's fine, but that's also not what I'm saying.



It is assuming that your views on the subject are right. However, the only person whose views really matter on the subject are the woman who is carrying the fetus. It's nobody else's place to lecture or council.
It's funny that there are folks who see counseling as a good thing when it comes to buying a house, rehabilitating criminals, overcoming addiction, etc. But, for some reason, oppose it for abortion.
 
I think they just want to be sure nobody is making the decision on a whim

And why exactly is it up to anyone but the mother to decide whether it's being made on a whim? It's ignorant to assume that these women haven't thought it through. Just because you can't fathom why a mother would have an abortion doesn't mean that it is an unfathomable position.

or being strongarmed by someone to do something they don't want to do.

Ah, so it's okay to strongarm them to do the opposite?
 
It's funny that there are folks who see counseling as a good thing when it comes to buying a house, rehabilitating criminals, overcoming addiction, etc. But, for some reason, oppose it for abortion.

If the women wanted counseling, they would get it. Interestingly enough, most of your examples of counseling (which aren't even remotely comparible to abortion counseling) are optional things.
 
It's funny that there are folks who see counseling as a good thing when it comes to buying a house, rehabilitating criminals, overcoming addiction, etc. But, for some reason, oppose it for abortion.

Counseling for buying a house is a good thing...if it's voluntary. Counseling for rehabilitating criminals and overcoming addiction is a good thing...if it's voluntary and/or a result of a court order for breaking the law.

Mandatory counseling for a legal activity? Not so good.
 
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It's funny that there are folks who see counseling as a good thing when it comes to buying a house, rehabilitating criminals, overcoming addiction, etc. But, for some reason, oppose it for abortion.

I think the problem at hand isn't whether or not counseling for abortion is a good thing, but rather whether or not it should be made mandatory.
 
I think the problem at hand isn't whether or not counseling for abortion is a good thing, but rather whether or not it should be made mandatory.


What would be wrong with counseling the woman fully before making a choice like that? I thought liberals were all for informed decisions?

j-mac
 
What would be wrong with counseling the woman fully before making a choice like that? I thought liberals were all for informed decisions?

j-mac

Well, don't ask me, I personally don't care much about abortion rights, so you'd have to ask them. My personal opinion is that if there should be any type of mandatory counseling it should be mandatory having-responsible-sex counseling for every teenager.
 
What would be wrong with counseling the woman fully before making a choice like that? I thought liberals were all for informed decisions?

j-mac

I thought conservatives were against forcing people to do things?
 
Well, don't ask me, I personally don't care much about abortion rights, so you'd have to ask them. My personal opinion is that if there should be any type of mandatory counseling it should be mandatory having-responsible-sex counseling for every teenager.


Something fishy about this passive/aggressive approach I see you forming.


j-mac
 
What would be wrong with counseling the woman fully before making a choice like that? I thought liberals were all for informed decisions?

j-mac
Counseling the woman fully? The counseling is coming from anti-abortion people. You're whole point is mute and you'd have saved us all alot of time by reading the article before posting.
 
I thought conservatives were against forcing people to do things?

Many conservatives are religious people, and as such believe in life. I wouldn't see it as "forcing" anything as much as providing a counter balance to the tactics of PP.

j-mac
 
Something fishy about this passive/aggressive approach I see you forming.


j-mac

Passive-aggressive? I haven't personally taken a stand on the issue at all. I was merely trying to make the nature of the discussion clear to everyone. Helps to know what you're debating when you recognize where precisely the disagreements are. Dr. Patrick wasn't arguing that abortion counseling is a bad thing, he was disagreeing that it should be made mandatory. I was just trying to make that clear.
 
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Counseling the woman fully? The counseling is coming from anti-abortion people. You're whole point is mute and you'd have saved us all alot of time by reading the article before posting.

Are you telling me that advocates of abortion are not counseling these women now?

j-mac
 
Are you telling me that advocates of abortion are not counseling these women now?

j-mac

She is choosing where to go for what services and advice. Noone is forcing pregnant women to listen to pro-abortion lectures and classes. That's the difference dude. One is state mandated, one isn't. If the counseling is state mandated then it should be as neutral as possible.

Conservative my ass.
 
Are you telling me that advocates of abortion are not counseling these women now?

j-mac

Are you saying that people who consider getting an abortion are mandated by law to get counseling from PP? Because they are not.
 
What would be wrong with counseling the woman fully before making a choice like that? I thought liberals were all for informed decisions?

j-mac

Because everyone knows that this "counseling" is coercive in nature. By this logic, we should also mandate counseling for all those who chose to have the child in order to explain the benefits of abortion.
 
Because everyone knows that this "counseling" is coercive in nature. By this logic, we should also mandate counseling for all those who chose to have the child in order to explain the benefits of abortion.

Ha! I hadn't thought of it that way, very interesting.
 
Are you telling me that advocates of abortion are not counseling these women now?

j-mac

Most pro-choice people aren't "advocates of abortion". They are pro-choice, which means that they aren't interested in coercing women to have abortions or not have abortions, they're interested in letting the woman use her own mind to make that decision. They usually aren't, if they are ever, interested in counselling women with aim of getting them to have an abortion. It's about respecting a woman's ability to make her OWN decisions, not counselling her into respecting someone else's morality.
 
Sounds eerily similar to gun laws.

Tell you what libs, we'll get rid of the abortion wait time if you'll agree to get rid of the gun purchase wait time.
 
You're pregnant for a hell of a long time - 3 days isn't very long and it will ensure that the situation has been thoroughly contemplated.

I support thought-out and well informed abortion - not knee-jerk reaction abortion.
 
Personally I can't wait long enough until technology is advanced enough to make childbirth a privilege rather than something any two morons or careless teenagers can get together and do. This idea of mine will probably spark a whole nother debate lol.
 
Because everyone knows that this "counseling" is coercive in nature. By this logic, we should also mandate counseling for all those who chose to have the child in order to explain the benefits of abortion.


Of planned Parenthood own coercive tactics.....

In the undercover video, when the two women ask a Planned Parenthood counselor if the pregnant woman’s 10-week-old unborn child has a heartbeat, the counselor emphasizes “heart tones,” and answers, “Heart beat is when the fetus is active in the uterus–can survive–which is about seventeen or eighteen weeks.” On the contrary, embryologists agree that the heartbeat begins around 3 weeks. Wisconsin informed consent law requires that women receive medically accurate information before undergoing an abortion.

The counselor then says, “A fetus is what’s in the uterus right now. That is not a baby.” Dr. Polhaska, the abortion doctor, insists, “It’s not a baby at this stage or anything like that.” Polhaska also states that having an abortion will be “much safer than having a baby,” warning, “You know, women die having babies.” …

The investigation is organized by Live Action, a nonprofit student group. Lila Rose, the 21-year-old UCLA student and Live Action president, says medical lies and manipulative counseling are routine at Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion chain.

“They will do or say anything in order to sell more abortions to more women, whether it is covering up sexual abuse or lying to women about medical facts,” says Rose. “Our team has visited dozens of Planned Parenthood clinics undercover. Planned Parenthood, while claiming to support patient self-determination, operates with an ‘abortion-first mentality.’”

Planned Parenthood: “That’s not a baby growing inside of you” « Hot Air



So when a counter to PP was formed in NYC across the street, do you know what happened to them?

j-mac
 
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