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Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

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CAIRO—The Arab League secretary general, Amr Moussa, deplored the broad scope of the U.S.-European bombing campaign in Libya and said Sunday that he would call a league meeting to reconsider Arab approval of the Western military intervention.

Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya - The Washington Post

Wow, that took all of 24 hours. But I'm sure we'll be greeted with flowers and parades when we liberate the crap out of Libya. :roll:
 
Wow, that took all of 24 hours. But I'm sure we'll be greeted with flowers and parades when we liberate the crap out of Libya. :roll:

This criticism only highlights the issue raised earlier when the Arab League adopted a hollow declaration in favor of a no fly zone. What was revealing at the time was that not one of the Arab League members devoted even a single military asset to enforcement of its declaration. The Arab League could have acted. But that wasn't its intent.

IMO, the declaration was nothing but a cynical public relations effort aimed at making it appear that the Arab League was concerned about Libya. The declaration was hollow by design. That some Arab countries might provide some assets now that others have assumed the largest degree of risks and greatly degraded Gadhafi's air defenses does not change that. Not surprisingly, now that the no fly zone is being enforced, the Arab League is recoiling.
 
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Muslim brothers will ALWAYS stick with other muslim brothers and sisters
 
Muslim brothers will ALWAYS stick with other muslim brothers and sisters

Yep, and NOTHING I have ever seen causes me to think otherwise.


Tim-
 
Talking out both sides of their mouths. Like Obama the Arabs want it both ways, all ways.
 
Talking out both sides of their mouths. Like Obama the Arabs want it both ways, all ways.

You are correct. Were you awar of this? It explains a lot in my book. From Obama's Book Audacity of Hope:
I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

Secretary Gates explained what a no fly zone would entail were they not listening?

Hell I'm deaf in one ear and I heard it, loud and clear.
 
Muslim brothers will ALWAYS stick with other muslim brothers and sisters

No matter how many billions we dump into the Middle East and no matter how many young Americans die fighting for them we will always be infidels to them.

I really question if we have a vested interest in running into Libya. Do we oust Gaddafi only to have someone else step up into his position and then curse us?
 
You are correct. Were you awar of this? It explains a lot in my book. From Obama's Book Audacity of Hope:

I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

that's not what he said at all. the original contains NO specific mention of Muslims.


Misleading e-mail: From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

snopes.com: Barack Obama in His Own Words
 
Standing with the Muslims in this case is a little problematic which is probably what took all but France's Sarkozy so long. Which Muslims? Gaddafi has been open to western investment, that's good enough for most westerners. Sarkozy must have known Gaddafi would make a blood bath.
 
The Muslim world is less unified than the EU and it is moronic to think that there is some kind of arab hivemind. If you bothered to read the article, you'd notice that there are many different people each with their own opinion. The article points at that only the chairman of the Arab league is whining, not the member state themselves. So far, Qatar and UAE have sent planes into the fight. The only people quoted as being against the attacks are politicians without real power or the usual suspects who demonize the west on principle. It is telling that nobody offered support of Qadaffi, not even Al Qaeda or Hezbollah. I'd wait until the Arab states actually state their opinion before putting words in their mouths.
 
BREAKING NEWS: Confirmed by Al Manara and other sources that Khamis Gaddafi has died today, as a result of burns
 
BREAKING NEWS: Confirmed by Al Manara and other sources that Khamis Gaddafi has died today, as a result of burns

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10:39 21 MAR 2011

(AGI) Tripoli - Khamis, Gaddafi's sixth son, was reportedly killed by the injuries suffered in a suicide bombing on Saturday. A Libyan pilot deliberately crashed his jet against the Bab al-Azizia barracks. Hospitalized in the intensive care unit of a Tripoli hospital, he reportedly died a few hours later. The news was disclosed by the Algerian newspaper Shuruk, which echoes the Al-Manara Libyan opposition's Website.
However, the news has not been confirmed by the regime's media.

AGI News On - LIBYA: WEBSITE, GADDAFI'S SON KILLED BY A SUICIDE-BOMBER


Last time Gaddafi lost family members he changed his ways. He'll probably fight on though, too much money at stake. Does anyone know where Hosni Mubarak is now?
 
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This criticism only highlights the issue raised earlier when the Arab League adopted a hollow declaration in favor of a no fly zone. What was revealing at the time was that not one of the Arab League members devoted even a single military asset to enforcement of its declaration. The Arab League could have acted. But that wasn't its intent.

IMO, the declaration was nothing but a cynical public relations effort aimed at making it appear that the Arab League was concerned about Libya. The declaration was hollow by design. That some Arab countries might provide some assets now that others have assumed the largest degree of risks and greatly degraded Gadhafi's air defenses does not change that. Not surprisingly, now that the no fly zone is being enforced, the Arab League is recoiling.

While this is true, what they are annoyed about is that we are actively bombing Libya and our allies are arming the rebs. All they wanted was a no fly zone, nothing more, nothing less.

Muslim brothers will ALWAYS stick with other muslim brothers and sisters

Nothing but anti-Muslim rhetoric right here.
 
man this was debunked even before the OP was posted...
 
While this is true, what they are annoyed about is that we are actively bombing Libya and our allies are arming the rebs. All they wanted was a no fly zone, nothing more, nothing less.

They knew exactly that a no fly zone requires taking out air defenses that could target enforcement. They want their proverbial cake and to eat it, too. They adopted a declaration in favor of a no fly zone. They took no substantive measures whatsoever to enforce it e.g., sent no planes. Now that the Coalition has largely degraded Libya's air defenses, tactics that the Arab League is complaining about, the Arab League is willing to send some planes. In other words, now that others have borne the risks associated with making a no fly zone possible--efforts that the Arab League has criticized--the Arab League is willing to participate.

In reality, words are cheap. The Arab League's lack of enforcement following its declaration of a no fly zone was revealing. It actions did not match its words. Had Western forces chosen not to participate, I have no doubt that the Arab League would still be sitting on the sidelines, having provided nothing but a hollow no fly zone declaration. A similar situation would have prevailed had the Gadhafi regime been permitted to maintain robust air defense capabilities.
 
BREAKING NEWS: Confirmed by Al Manara and other sources that Khamis Gaddafi has died today, as a result of burns

That report has not been confirmed. Until it is, the report is unsubstantiated and should be treated as such.
 
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Why are we involved in another war?! How do the American people benefit?
 
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No matter how many billions we dump into the Middle East and no matter how many young Americans die fighting for them we will always be infidels to them.

I really question if we have a vested interest in running into Libya. Do we oust Gaddafi only to have someone else step up into his position and then curse us?

Libya is a part of the MENA problem that we have been dealing with since 9/11 (Despite, their declared war on us, we weren't dealing with it at all prior). And it is true that we will always be infidels as long as Islam exists. But "Great Satan" was a step up in the 1950s. This is what has to change and can. They only need to take responsibility for their own culture. The modernists already do. And as we have seen in prior years, their are far more modernist voices than radical voices. As the region improves, the "Great Satan" will subside. Very few, who have a life, ase so quick to throw it away in some damned crusade for God. When God shines down upon them again, then God will stop demanding blood sacrifice. This has always been what the poorly named "War on Terror" was. People automatically thought of a terrorist. But a region so thick with religious terror means that the region itself is the disease. And you don't cure a fever with an ice pack.
 
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They knew exactly that a no fly zone requires taking out air defenses that could target enforcement. They want their proverbial cake and to eat it, too. They adopted a declaration in favor of a no fly zone. They took no substantive measures whatsoever to enforce it e.g., sent no planes. Now that the Coalition has largely degraded Libya's air defenses, tactics that the Arab League is complaining about, the Arab League is willing to send some planes. In other words, now that others have borne the risks associated with making a no fly zone possible--efforts that the Arab League has criticized--the Arab League is willing to participate.

In reality, words are cheap. The Arab League's lack of enforcement following its declaration of a no fly zone was revealing. It actions did not match its words. Had Western forces chosen not to participate, I have no doubt that the Arab League would still be sitting on the sidelines, having provided nothing but a hollow no fly zone declaration. A similar situation would have prevailed had the Gadhafi regime been permitted to maintain robust air defense capabilities.


No, they knew that, its just that the coalition is bombing Libyan tanks, see here as well.

Edit: Although, this does bring up the hypocrisy of the US and its allies, how they are willing to aid Libyan rebels, but not protesters in Bahrain or Yemen.
 
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Why are we involved in another war?! How do the American people benefit?

Same war. Different bad borders. As long as the region is a mess, their radical base assumes God's enemy must pay. It's very archaic, but so is mass religious zealousy.
 
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No, they knew that, its just that the coalition is bombing Libyan tanks, see here as well.

Edit: Although, this does bring up the hypocrisy of the US and its allies, how they are willing to aid Libyan rebels, but not protesters in Bahrain or Yemen.

Bahrain and Yemen are too close to the House of Saud. Hence the need for regional change and a new energy source. We are tied hopelessly to allowing for the protection of the heart of the of the Sunni tribe until then.
 
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They knew exactly that a no fly zone requires taking out air defenses that could target enforcement. They want their proverbial cake and to eat it, too. They adopted a declaration in favor of a no fly zone. They took no substantive measures whatsoever to enforce it e.g., sent no planes. Now that the Coalition has largely degraded Libya's air defenses, tactics that the Arab League is complaining about, the Arab League is willing to send some planes. In other words, now that others have borne the risks associated with making a no fly zone possible--efforts that the Arab League has criticized--the Arab League is willing to participate.

In reality, words are cheap. The Arab League's lack of enforcement following its declaration of a no fly zone was revealing. It actions did not match its words. Had Western forces chosen not to participate, I have no doubt that the Arab League would still be sitting on the sidelines, having provided nothing but a hollow no fly zone declaration. A similar situation would have prevailed had the Gadhafi regime been permitted to maintain robust air defense capabilities.

The Arab League is a bunch of liars. The Royal leadership of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. have enough power to stop any war they want. They won't because they secretly support the US since the US's appetite for oil and American investment opportunities is what makes them rich.
 
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Muslim brothers will ALWAYS stick with other muslim brothers and sisters



Nothing but anti-Muslim rhetoric right here.

No, he is hinting at the truth. I would throw in "tribal" in front of "Muslim brothers and sisters" for more accuracy. It is historical, whether it makes you uncomfortable or not.

The tribe always stickes together....

1) They condemn Saddam Hussein's actions into Kuwait, yet insist that he be allowed to maintain his control over Baghdad (important religious city to Islam).

2) Saddam Hussein himself bombs Israel as the world sits on his door step in order to appeal to the religious for support, for which they praised him (as well as his paid insurance policies for suicide bombers). A secular dictator appealing to the religious for support? He knew the hatreds within his region.

3) Sunni leadership condemned Hussein's treatment of Muslims in Iraq for twelve years, yet sent in their radical youth from all over the region to murder Muslim Shia and coalition forces after he is removed.

4) Mubarak accuses the outside of meddling with Muslims in a hopes to churn up radical support for his throne.

5) Gudaffi labels us "crusaders," which is a plea to the radical base and a throwback term for religious war. (Notice the dictator trend of desparation?)

6) Al-Jazeera barely noticed the Muslim slaughter in Sudan by a Sunni dictator. I guess the Sunni tribe didn't want the publicity.


The point here is that they always look towards the tribe to ultimately set aside morality against what has become the traditional scapegoat. Thereby, sticking together in a crisis. The Muslim Brotherhood, despite being amongst bad borders and throughout he region, does stick together whenever they need. Their struggle along the way has appeared to be about de-conflicting or balancing good morality, Islam's truer prescriptions, and image with their attempts to unite the people under the common uneducated hate, remain in power, and diversion tactics. The only time they are at each other's throats is when they need to re-establish tribal authoriy against other Muslims (which is a sin within Islam, making them their own ultimate enemy of "God").
 
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