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Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

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Madison — Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi issued a temporary restraining order Friday, barring the publication of Gov. Scott Walker's law that would sharply curtail collective bargaining for public employees.

Sumi's order will prevent Secretary of State Doug La Follette from publishing the law - and allowing it to take effect - until she can rule on the merits of the case. Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne is seeking to block the law because he says a legislative committee violated the state's open meetings law in passing the measure, which Walker signed on Friday.
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Judge issues TRO barring implementation of public union law - JSOnline
 
something just hit the fan
 
This is the WORST decision this judge could make. I think I need to give this jackass judge a call and tell him where to stick his decision!!! :2mad:

This new law needs to go into effect NOW!
 
'Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne is seeking to block the law because he says a legislative committee violated the state's open meetings law'If the proper process was not followed, it is not valid.
 
'Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne is seeking to block the law because he says a legislative committee violated the state's open meetings law'If the proper process was not followed, it is not valid.

Then Walker needs to immediatly fire / layoff state union workers.
Public unions are not PRIVATE unions. They neither deserve nor should expect the PRIVILEGE (not "right" as they contend) to bargain for more of the taxpayer's money.

They are public employees. They are paid out of tax revenues. Tax revenues are down because Wisconsinites are unemployed and more businesses are shuttering every day. Where is the money going to come from the insane ridiculous benefit and payment packages?
 
The Dems are back in the state. Can't he just call for a vote now before they have time to pack?
 

Anything coming from you demands close scrutiny.

The open meetings law requires 24 hours' public notice of meetings, or two hours in emergencies. Ozanne's suit argues the emergency standard did not apply and that even if it did, the meeting didn't follow the law because the committee met with less than two hours' notice.

Ozanne argues the meeting also violated the law because people had difficulty getting into the Capitol amid tight security and because it was held in a small room that could not accommodate the large crowd trying to get in.

Well, it seems that the judge is weighing the trialable issues here, and was right to issue the restraining order. If the above is true, those would be considered, IMO trialable issues, and the matter would proceed to a trail.


Tim-
 
This is the WORST decision this judge could make. I think I need to give this jackass judge a call and tell him where to stick his decision!!! :2mad:

This new law needs to go into effect NOW!

i think you need to do that
and follow it up with a letter, expressing your outrage


then tell us how that worked
 
They are public employees. They are paid out of tax revenues. Tax revenues are down because Wisconsinites are unemployed and more businesses are shuttering every day. Where is the money going to come from the insane ridiculous benefit and payment packages?

Well, off the top of my head they could have asked the unions if they were willing to make concessions on pay and benefits to lower the amount of money the state pays out to employees, maybe they just might accept a deal like that and everything could be hunky-dory. Oh, wait. They did accept a deal like that and Scott Walker flushed it down the toilet like the stupid **** that he is and decided that he needed to get into a pissing match that in no way helps to alleviate the states budget problem. Be mad at that asshole, not the unions which accepted the pay decreases and benefit decreases.
 
Well, off the top of my head they could have asked the unions if they were willing to make concessions on pay and benefits to lower the amount of money the state pays out to employees, maybe they just might accept a deal like that and everything could be hunky-dory. Oh, wait. They did accept a deal like that and Scott Walker flushed it down the toilet like the stupid **** that he is and decided that he needed to get into a pissing match that in no way helps to alleviate the states budget problem. Be mad at that asshole, not the unions which accepted the pay decreases and benefit decreases.

In the long term getting rid of collective bargaining saves money as the unions won't beable to demand raises by way of threating strikes. It also stops unions from bargaining with the very people that they give money to in order to help get them elected. (in laymens terms its called legal bribe)

What this bill ultimately does is make it to where the CITIZENS of WI can VOTE on whether public employees get a raise or not. As it should have been from the very begining.
 
I don't believe anyone involved with this didn't realize the vote was a violation of the Open Meetings law. I think this was gambit by the GOP to get some movement on the law, even one that is legally questionable, in order to stop the stalemate created by the walkout of the Dem 14. I don't know enough about Wisconsin law to guess at the next move by the Dems or the GOP, but it will be interesting.
 
In the long term getting rid of collective bargaining saves money as the unions won't beable to demand raises by way of threating strikes. It also stops unions from bargaining with the very people that they give money to in order to help get them elected. (in laymens terms its called legal bribe)

What this bill ultimately does is make it to where the CITIZENS of WI can VOTE on whether public employees get a raise or not. As it should have been from the very begining.

please show us a cite which evidences that the citizens will vote on the public employee raises

as you have likely surmised, i don't believe that is the circumstance
 
please show us a cite which evidences that the citizens will vote on the public employee raises

as you have likely surmised, i don't believe that is the circumstance

Sorry, you were right. The raises will be tied to inflation.

On Wednesday, the Senate and Assembly passed a resolution to form a conference committee, which then met to amend the bill by taking out the appropriations. The bill that passed would take away the ability of unions to bargain over pensions and health care, and would limit pay raises to inflation.

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Still, it will save money in the long run and is still tied to something that is reasonable imo.
 
Well, off the top of my head they could have asked the unions if they were willing to make concessions on pay and benefits to lower the amount of money the state pays out to employees, maybe they just might accept a deal like that and everything could be hunky-dory. Oh, wait. They did accept a deal like that and Scott Walker flushed it down the toilet like the stupid **** that he is and decided that he needed to get into a pissing match that in no way helps to alleviate the states budget problem. Be mad at that asshole, not the unions which accepted the pay decreases and benefit decreases.

Here's the real reason collective bargaining needs reform.

One reason why Wisconsin needed union reform: captive benefits « Hot Air
Some have called for Walker to reconsider his push to remove pensions and benefits from collective bargaining with public-employee unions as a compromise, but Gary Gross recalls a Patrick McIlheran column from December that explains exactly why Wisconsin needs to push for PEU reform now. The MSJ columnist wrote about the big stake that the Wisconsin Education Association has in forcing individual school districts to negotiate benefits — because they can demand that their own WEA Trust have a monopoly on health insurance
When Walker says that the PEU reforms will allow counties, cities, and school districts more latitude in budget cuts, this is what he means. The protesters in Madison have avoided this particular point, perhaps because it exposes one of the real stakes in the fight. The WEA, perhaps the most powerful union in the state, makes a fortune off of selling its insurance at inflated prices to districts around the state. Milton, for instance, saved $382 per month per employee when it got an arbitrator to agree to end the WEA Trust concession. Spread that around to the thousands of teachers in Wisconsin, and taxpayers can get a pretty good idea what PEU reform might mean in reducing stressed budgets at every level of government in Wisconsin.
 
Well, off the top of my head they could have asked the unions if they were willing to make concessions on pay and benefits to lower the amount of money the state pays out to employees, maybe they just might accept a deal like that and everything could be hunky-dory. Oh, wait. They did accept a deal like that and Scott Walker flushed it down the toilet like the stupid **** that he is and decided that he needed to get into a pissing match that in no way helps to alleviate the states budget problem. Be mad at that asshole, not the unions which accepted the pay decreases and benefit decreases.

Walker did the correct thing. State Unions shouldnt have the ability to collectively bargin. They should get paid and get raises based on public votes. NOT their own manipulation and greed.
 
The Dems are back in the state. Can't he just call for a vote now before they have time to pack?
Due to the recall efforts Walker may not have the votes to get it passed.
 
Walker did the correct thing. State Unions shouldnt have the ability to collectively bargin. They should get paid and get raises based on public votes. NOT their own manipulation and greed.
If Walker thought he was doing the correct thing, he should have mentioned it in his campaign, not spring it on the electorate once he took office. The guy is an authoritarian dictator or should I say dick tator.
 
Walker did the correct thing. State Unions shouldnt have the ability to collectively bargin. They should get paid and get raises based on public votes. NOT their own manipulation and greed.

Their own manipulation and greed? Why did they agree to the decrease in benefits if they're so greedy? Back away from the talking points then maybe we can have an honest discussion.
 
Time to cut the budget for the judicial branch. :mrgreen:
 
Then Walker needs to immediatly fire / layoff state union workers. …

Why take the judge's decision out on the state union workers? Who's not making sense now? It was the Republican dominated conference committee that may have violated the state's open meetings law; your anger should be directed at them for such a basic and easily avoided mistake.
 
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