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Obama eyes 'common sense' US gun control

hazlnut said:
The part where public safety comes into play. That trumps your second amendment right any day of the week. Why do you think you don't own a tank or a small nuclear device?
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It's not illegal to own a tank.
 
hazlnut said:
Yes, I believe that,
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Then you are either an idiot or full of ****.


to you, it doesn't even matter what Obama said.
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Do you have any evidence to support this claim?


It's just that the person saying it has black skin and is a Dem.
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So you think I am a racists against black people or that the only reason anyone would oppose Obama because he is black(technically half-black)?

If a conservative purposed the vary same thing, you'd pay it no mind.
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Do you have any evidence to support this claim?
 
DiAnna said:
I didn't vote for Obama. I didn't vote for McCain. I voted for someone I felt qualified.
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My state weaseled out 3rd party candidates so I just didn't vote for McCain or Obama.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Some of the restrictions you describe go way beyond common sense. Tell me, what makes your arbitrary restrictions to my civil right to an AK any better than Obama's arbitrary restrictions?

What part of fundamental right do you anti-gun nuts not understand?
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You'd do well not lumping me in with "anti-gun" nuts. I believe that to own an assault rifle or a shotgun that holds an entire magazine of shells one should have a clean criminal record and prove that one knows how to safely operate such weapons. Many states already have blanket bans on them. I do not favor that. All I favor is closing private-sale/gunshow loopholes so that weapons are passed around without a clear paper trail, or background check to assure that minors and felons are not purchasing them.

If you persist on insulting those who are basically on your side, you will end up alone, sir. Rethink your tone. Please.
 
Alrighty, then. No reasonable discussion in here, I see, even for those who support the rights of citizens to own and bear arms. Just a bunch of rabid insulters, waiting for someone to ambush.

I leave you to it, folks. Continue your march to own howitzers, RPGs and mortars, and to shoot them off from your own suburban backyards, because that's the kind of crazy that I'm getting from the bunch in this thread.

Crap, y'all don't even recognize anyone whose on your side unless they live in a bunker, with an ammo dump in the backyard.

I'm out of here.
 
DiAnna said:
You'd do well not lumping me in with "anti-gun" nuts. I believe that to own an assault rifle or a shotgun that holds an entire magazine of shells one should have a clean criminal record and prove that one knows how to safely operate such weapons. Many states already have blanket bans on them. I do not favor that. All I favor is closing private-sale/gunshow loopholes so that weapons are passed around without a clear paper trail, or background check to assure that minors and felons are not purchasing them.

If you persist on insulting those who are basically on your side, you will end up alone, sir. Rethink your tone. Please.
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I believe registrations, licenses/permits,bans on certain types of firearms, restrictions of people who served their time behind bars and even back ground checks are unconstitutional since they are infringements on the 2nd amendment. Registrations amount to a precursor to future confiscations and that its non of the governments damn business who owns what weapon. How are you on the side of any one who is a advocate of the 2nd amendment? Second amendment proponents take the 2nd amendment literally when it says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Its like saying I am on the side of abortionist and gay marriage proponents even though I oppose legalizing gay marriage/civil unions/domestic partnerships and oppose legalized abortion as a means of birth control.
 
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DiAnna said:
Alrighty, then. No reasonable discussion in here, I see, even for those who support the rights of citizens to own and bear arms. Just a bunch of rabid insulters, waiting for someone to ambush.

I leave you to it, folks. Continue your march to own howitzers, RPGs and mortars, and to shoot them off from your own suburban backyards, because that's the kind of crazy that I'm getting from the bunch in this thread.

Crap, y'all don't even recognize anyone whose on your side unless they live in a bunker, with an ammo dump in the backyard.

I'm out of here.
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That was my original point in my first post in this thread. There really isn't much of a gray area regarding the stance on guns. The extremes of both sides are so completely outspoken that the rest of the people get drowned out in the noise. For many, it's either all or nothing.
 
DiAnna said:
Alrighty, then. No reasonable discussion in here, I see, even for those who support the rights of citizens to own and bear arms. Just a bunch of rabid insulters, waiting for someone to ambush.

I leave you to it, folks. Continue your march to own howitzers, RPGs and mortars, and to shoot them off from your own suburban backyards, because that's the kind of crazy that I'm getting from the bunch in this thread.

Crap, y'all don't even recognize anyone whose on your side unless they live in a bunker, with an ammo dump in the backyard.

I'm out of here.
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lol

Gun control is proceeding on a different cloaked path. It is Obama's aim to assure that non of us have the disposable income available to ever afford that right again.
 
DiAnna said:
All I favor is closing private-sale/gunshow loopholes so that weapons are passed around without a clear paper trail, or background check to assure that minors and felons are not purchasing them.
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Since when does a fundamental right require a paper trail? What's next, shall we close the loophole that allows law abiding citizens to practice their religions without a permit?

If you don't want to get called an anti-gun nut, don't act like one. And don't kid yourself, we aren't on the same side in this debate.
 
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DiAnna said:
Alrighty, then. No reasonable discussion in here, I see, even for those who support the rights of citizens to own and bear arms. Just a bunch of rabid insulters, waiting for someone to ambush.

I leave you to it, folks. Continue your march to own howitzers, RPGs and mortars, and to shoot them off from your own suburban backyards, because that's the kind of crazy that I'm getting from the bunch in this thread.

Crap, y'all don't even recognize anyone whose on your side unless they live in a bunker, with an ammo dump in the backyard.

I'm out of here.
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And DiAnna cops out again. Typical.
 
Jerry said:
And DiAnna cops out again. Typical.
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Hey...info you...a "Street sweeper" is a 12 round rotary drum semi-auto shotgun. And its AWESOME...
 
jamesrage said:
Apparently Obama wants to use the Arizona tragedy to **** on the 2nd amendment. …
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Obama voiced broadly popular proposals; there is no controversy among mainstream Americans.

Excerpted from “President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms,” op-ed by President Barack Obama, Arizona Daily Star, Posted: Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:00 am
… [[SIZE="+2"]O[/SIZE]]ur focus right now should be on sound and effective steps that will actually keep those irresponsible, law-breaking few from getting their hands on a gun in the first place.
  • First, we should begin by enforcing laws that are already on the books. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented. It relies on data supplied by states - but that data is often incomplete and inadequate. We must do better.
  • Second, we should in fact reward the states that provide the best data - and therefore do the most to protect our citizens.
  • Third, we should make the system faster and nimbler. We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it.
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Obama should be commended for seeking a broad public agreement on gun control measures but it is really disappointing for those of us who believe it is the height of irresponsibility to not seek broader ammunition and magazine size restrictions.
 
I've got to admit, the seeming uproar here leaves me scratching my head.

From what I read (indeed from what he said) he is advocating better and more efficient enforcement of laws that are already on the books. Namely just making background checks more effective.

Unless there is some slippery slope that I'm missing, he isn't introducing any form of new regulation just stating better ways to go about enforcing one current regulation, one that isn't close to being that controversial.
 
Jerry said:
I wasn't aware thugs ran each other through NCIS.
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I have worked on the gun counter before, and I can tell you that there actually are people dumb enough that they get denied. Of course background checks won't do anything about the sheer number of guns in the US sold in secondary markets, i.e. craigslist, classifieds, friends, friends of friends, etc.
 
The Prof said:
from the president's pusillanimous op ed, his recommendations:



President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms

ie, SQUAT

what a coward

embarrassed yet?
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The Prof said:
out t'other side of his mealy mouth:



President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms

such a coward

embarassed yet?
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The Prof said:
he's expanded gun use alright, thousands of assault rifles sold to the cartels, two of which were used to assassinate the ice agent outside mexico city

Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico - CBS Evening News - CBS News
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Ah, so you want Obama to restrict your rights more?
 
drz-400 said:
I have worked on the gun counter before, and I can tell you that there actually are people dumb enough that they get denied. Of course background checks won't do anything about the sheer number of guns in the US sold in secondary markets, i.e. craigslist, classifieds, friends, friends of friends, etc.
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Nor should it. It's private property.

The deterrence for the misuse of firearms by criminals is not an obscure law in a dusty book which isn't going to be enforced anyway, but an armed population.
 
spud_meister said:
Ah, so you want Obama to restrict your rights more?
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These guys are beyond reactionary. They are, in fact, beyond reasonable. They are plugged into the "what??? they aren't me???" haters society.
 
This could have been posted on the Joke page because to use Obama's name a Common Sense in the same sentence is laughable.

Obama knows nothing about commons sense on any subject.
 
Councilman said:
This story by it's title alone would fit nicely in Media Bias.

When Are the Conservatives going ro just state the facts when wackos like Obama attack the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment.

More guns means safer for and it's overlooked and lied about every time this comes up
Here is a prime example: Crime up Down Under

Since Australia banned private ownership of most guns in 1996, crime has risen dramatically on that continent, prompting critics of U.S. gun control efforts to issue new warnings of what life in America could be like if Congress ever bans firearms
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snopes.com: Australian Guns Stats
 
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