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Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspires

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Dr_Patrick said:
Then please point out where I referred to you as an Islamophobe or implied such.
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Because I believe about the same thing SgtRock believes and you falsely labeled him an Islamophobe.

Islamic jihadis are engaged in a religious war and they use the Koran to defend it. That's not hate. It's reality.
 
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Ron Mars said:
Because I believe about the same thing SgtRock believes and you falsely labeled him an Islamophobe.

Islamic jihadis are engaged in a religious war and they use the Koran to defend it. That's not hate. It's reality.
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First of all, you are new here and are unaware of the major anti-Islam crusade that he went on awhile back. He has an intense hatred for Islam. It has nothing to do with Islamic Jihadists as he equates them to normal people who believe in Islam because he believes that the Koran advocates these things. If the book does, in fact, advocate these things and they are meant to be taken literally, then how could there even be peaceful Muslims, which you referred to before?
 
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Ron Mars said:
Because I believe about the same thing SgtRock believes and you falsely labeled him an Islamophobe.

Islamic jihadis are engaged in a religious war and they use the Koran to defend it. That's not hate. It's reality.
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Dr Patrick is right to some extent. I am an islamistophobe. And he is right about something else. I am absolutely sure after years of study and research that islam is evil, the quran is evil and that most muslims are good people who have been brainwashed and missled.
 
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SgtRock said:
Thats not the double standard I was refering to. Im refering to the double standard I pointed out in my first post #132 in this thread. oy :2brickwal
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It is the exact same double standard you are referring to. It's really not my problem that you can't find a suitable justification for your majorly skewed point.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
It is the exact same double standard you are referring to. It's really not my problem that you can't find a suitable justification for your majorly skewed point.
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huh? wth are you talking about. I am refering to the double standard in the mainstream media when it comes to this issue. Bill Maher verses Juan Williams for example. Have you always been this freekin dense?
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
First of all, you are new here and are unaware of the major anti-Islam crusade that he went on awhile back. He has an intense hatred for Islam. It has nothing to do with Islamic Jihadists as he equates them to normal people who believe in Islam because he believes that the Koran advocates these things. If the book does, in fact, advocate these things and they are meant to be taken literally, then how could there even be peaceful Muslims, which you referred to before?
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Fair enough Dr.

I did read through this thread but was unaware of your past dialogue with SgtRock over the years and likely misunderstood your banter.
 
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SgtRock said:
Dr Patrick is right to some extent. I am an islamistophobe. And he is right about something else. I am absolutely sure after years of study and research that islam is evil, the quran is evil and that most muslims are good people who have been brainwashed and missled.
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Thanks for the clairification.
 
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Ron Mars said:
Thanks for the clairification.
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Be sure to make the ditinction between an islamophobe and a islamistophobe.
 
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SgtRock said:
Dr Patrick is right to some extent. I am an islamistophobe. And he is right about something else. I am absolutely sure after years of study and research that islam is evil, the quran is evil and that most muslims are good people who have been brainwashed and missled.
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What SgtRock calls "research", most reasonable people will call extensive use of impartial, hate-filled websites that spew rhetoric suggesting that Islam is inherently evil. He has already suggested that he would prefer if a nuclear warhead was used on Mecca. Anyone who thinks that type of ignorance and war-mongering has any place in an intellectual discussion is just plain foolish.
 
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Degreez said:
What SgtRock calls "research", most reasonable people will call extensive use of impartial, hate-filled websites that spew rhetoric suggesting that Islam is inherently evil. He has already suggested that he would prefer if a nuclear warhead was used on Mecca. Anyone who thinks that type of ignorance and war-mongering has any place in an intellectual discussion is just plain foolish.
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Did you join the thread to criticize me Dgreez? Oh and the hate filled websites that spew rhetoric suggesting that Islam is inherently evil. it wasn't a website at all, it was the quran which I have just finnished reading for the umpteenth time. This time I highlighted all the evil parts. It took much longer than it usually does to read. Lots of evil parts.
 
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I tend to tolerate Maher's obvious religious disdain because it isn't targeting a particular religion. Perhaps that is very wrong of me, but I would also be more likely to tolerate someone who hated all races.

For some reason equal opportunity hatred just doesn't bother me as much. It just serves to marginalize those who support it.

Your particular brand of bigotry interests me much more SgtRock.

You made the argument that Islam cannot be compared to Christianity as far as hate speech is concerned because Christianity is separated into two books. By that logic then, isn't Judaism just as evil?

Also, what relevance is there that Islam recognizes both Moses and Jesus Christ to be religious prophets, as it is based upon both Christianity and Judaism?
 
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SgtRock said:
Did you join the thread to criticize me Dgreez? Oh and the hate filled websites that spew rhetoric suggesting that Islam is inherently evil. it wasn't a website at all, it was the quran which I have just finnished reading for the umpteenth time. This time I highlighted all the evil parts. It took much longer than it usually does to read. Lots of evil parts.
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If you actually read it all, then you not post half the asinine crap you have over the years. The Qur'an has less than 2% of it that deal with any physical violence. It talks less about torment in the afterlife than the Bible does. Even then, I doubt you know one thing about the historical moment each surah/ayat was revealed.

You think the indiscriminate annihilation of thousands/millions of people is perfectly acceptable. There is no point discussing anything further with someone who holds a mindset like that.
 
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The OP believes nearly everything is a CIA tactic or part of the neoconservative world conspiracy. In this case, it is just Bill Maher acting true to form: the asshole no one wants to associate with.
 
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qwertyuiop said:
I think the double standard is more flipped.

Where was the outrage when Bill O'Reilly said the Koran was Mein Kampf?
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Was he speaking directly to a Muslim congressman? Mahr was, and Ellison didn't even call him on it.


j-mac
 
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Degreez said:
The Qur'an has less than 2% of it that deal with any physical violence.
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Prove it.

It talks less about torment in the afterlife than the Bible does.
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Oh, well that must make it better....Oh wait, it isn't those who believe in the Bible out to take over the world right now is it?


Even then, I doubt you know one thing about the historical moment each surah/ayat was revealed.
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Do I have to empirically know that the bowl with brown scoops in it that are warm and smelly is not ice cream, when you tell me it is? Or can I make that judgement before I put it to my lips?

You think the indiscriminate annihilation of thousands/millions of people is perfectly acceptable.
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What, wait, I think you have that backwards today it is radical Muslims in search of their caliphate that believe this....

j-mac
 
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Was Bill Maher behaving boorishly? Yes. Was what Bill Maher said to Ellison morally equivalent to, say, when Glenn Beck asked Ellison to "prove he wasn't with the enemy?" No.

Don't understand the difference? Maher opposes all religion equally, thus distributes his rudeness equally. He is as apt to insult a Muslim's faith as he is a Christian's or a Buddhist's. Even though I disagree with his tactics, Maher is taking a principled stand against superstition. He does not selectively hate one religion. Beck, King and their ilk, on the other hand, singles out one particular religion, Islam, as the target of their hatred. If they can be said to be taking a principled stand against anything, it is against a particular group of people. That's called racism.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
Was Bill Maher behaving boorishly? Yes. Was what Bill Maher said to Ellison morally equivalent to, say, when Glenn Beck asked Ellison to "prove he wasn't with the enemy?" No.

Don't understand the difference? Maher opposes all religion equally, thus distributes his rudeness equally. He is as apt to insult a Muslim's faith as he is a Christian's or a Buddhist's. Even though I disagree with his tactics, Maher is taking a principled stand against superstition. He does not selectively hate one religion. Beck, King and their ilk, on the other hand, singles out one particular religion, Islam, as the target of their hatred. If they can be said to be taking a principled stand against anything, it is against a particular group of people. That's called racism.
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It's not called racism if the group you're talking about isn't a race. If you can't even use the right terminology, how are you supposed to discuss this at all?
 
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Deuce said:
It's not called racism if the group you're talking about isn't a race. If you can't even use the right terminology, how are you supposed to discuss this at all?
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Deuce, you're such a card. Anyway, you're right, it's more properly called "xenophobia" not "racism." I ought to make the effort to use the terminology correctly instead of using the wrong term like a complete moron.
 
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Lets compare what Bill Maher said to Ellison to what Juan Williams said about getting nervous about seeing muslims in airports. Bill Maher is a liberal cable talk show host. Juan Williams is a liberal who worked for NPR and as a part time commentator on Fox News. Both men made comments about Islam or muslims though Maher's were much more derogatory. Williams was fired from NPR and even before that his comment was all over the mainstream media. His story lasted for weeks. Maher on the other hand barely gets mentioned and is totally ignored by the mainstream media. Is it because Williams works for Fox? IS it a double standard. If a conservative who happens to be an athiest said what Maher said would he be treated differently? I say yes. What say you?
 
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SgtRock said:
Lets compare what Bill Maher said to Ellison to what Juan Williams said about getting nervous about seeing muslims in airports. Bill Maher is a liberal cable talk show host. Juan Williams is a liberal who worked for NPR and as a part time commentator on Fox News. Both men made comments about Islam or muslims though Maher's were much more derogatory. Williams was fired from NPR and even before that his comment was all over the mainstream media. His story lasted for weeks. Maher on the other hand barely gets mentioned and is totally ignored by the mainstream media. Is it because Williams works for Fox? IS it a double standard. If a conservative who happens to be an athiest said what Maher said would he be treated differently? I say yes. What say you?
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It's not a double standard, it's comparing apples and oranges.

I can't defend either of them. If it was up to me I'd fire Bill Maher too, I think he's a prick. But that's what he's hired for, shock value. This is right in line with his schtick, to mock and denegrate all religions. He does it very even handedly. He says noxious things about Islam and Christianity, and any other superstition.

Now, let's contrast that with Juan Williams. He's never said that he's afraid of sitting next to Christians in an airplane, that's for sure. His comment was based on simple xenophobia, not a distaste for religion generally, but a fear of one particular, foreign religion.
 
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SgtRock said:
Lets compare what Bill Maher said to Ellison to what Juan Williams said about getting nervous about seeing muslims in airports. Bill Maher is a liberal cable talk show host. Juan Williams is a liberal who worked for NPR and as a part time commentator on Fox News. Both men made comments about Islam or muslims though Maher's were much more derogatory. Williams was fired from NPR and even before that his comment was all over the mainstream media. His story lasted for weeks. Maher on the other hand barely gets mentioned and is totally ignored by the mainstream media. Is it because Williams works for Fox? IS it a double standard. If a conservative who happens to be an athiest said what Maher said would he be treated differently? I say yes. What say you?
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I would say it is because HBO knew what it was getting into with Maher after his 9/11 remarks which resulted in his premature death on ABC. HBO likes edginess (liberal, atheistic edginess it likes, to be sure) in a way that ABC could never afford to absorb. Their venues are completely different, which does impact how people perceive such remarks. Maher, I find, is from what we know of the man, a disgusting human being. That being said, I am not surprised that despite this, his remarks will mostly go unnoticed in controversy in comparison with someone in more... prestigious...or more publicly sensitive venues like NPR (whom, I tend to side with conservatives about, by the way), FOX News, CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, and so forth.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
The woman thing is a cultural thing, not nessecarily direction from the Quran.
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Oh and I suppose all those Muslims who say unequivocally that it is an offense to god for women to be seen uncovered, to attend school, or to be accompanied by unrelated men are really just lying? No. When someone tells me why they believe or are doing something then I tend to believe them.

Jetboogieman said:
Do not forget, there are passages in the bible that say it is ok to sell your daughter into slavery exodus 21:7.
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Sure, and I'm sure some Christian throughout the ages believe its acceptable.

Jetboogieman said:
Islamic Extremists take things out of context in the Quran to justify things that are unjustifiable.
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. Oh, right... :roll: because when people do things you don't agree with in the name of their religion its because they aren't True muslims/christians/jews/buddhists/etc. How convenient and utterly silly.

Its comical how religious moderates can't fathom the idea that some religious people actually do the things they do (good or bad) because of their religious beliefs. Religious moderates for some reason feel compelled to make excuses for them.

Jetboogieman said:
Did you listen to what Ellison said? He was absolutely dead on the mark.

Finding causation in religion is wrong. They don't do what they do because they're muslim.
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Not all of them. But its ASININE to believe that they don't when THEY UNEQUIVOCALLY TELL YOU THEY DO WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

Jetboogieman said:
Their goals are ultimately political and stem from global politics....
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For some, sure. But you want to claim this is true across the board or for most. That is the silly part.

Many people do things because they honestly believe what their preferred religion teaches them. That they will get 72 virgins, that they will die a martyr and be assured a spot in heaven, that they are being guided by gods hand/holy-spirit, that it is gods will, etc. Wake up and smell the coffee. Listen to what these people are saying!!!
 
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j-mac said:
Was he speaking directly to a Muslim congressman? Mahr was, and Ellison didn't even call him on it.


j-mac
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He was speaking directly to a Muslim caller.
 
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qwertyuiop said:
He was speaking directly to a Muslim caller.
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Ok, and what did the caller say? I'd bet it was more enraged that what Ellison put forth.


j-mac
 
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