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Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspires

Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

I'm not an atheist. In fact, I am pretty religious, and even I recognize that atheism is not a religion.

1) Religion is a belief. Religious people can prove that by wheeling out a God that they believe in.

2) Atheism? Are you really going to say it is a religion by asking them to prove it by wheeling out no God?

3) Religion has a very small similarity to science in that you must prove that you believe in a God, just as in science, you must prove a theory.

4) Atheism again? Where's The lack of God they don't believe in?

5) Just like creationists, some people are claiming that you can prove a negative, and define atheism on that term. It doesn't work.

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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

You are trying to twist what I said.
Not at all. I simply disagree with you.

Go back and read it. A lack of belief is not the same thing as a belief.
Deciding you don't believe is just as much as a decision you make to believe. Adhering to that decision is just as much a religion as one that's God centered.


Trouble is, you haven't really gone on to define religion yourself, so either side would be talking past eachother. Neither the belief or non-belief in a god makes one religious. It's a decision on one issue.
There is more than one definition of "religion". In the context of atheism, I use it to mean an adhered to belief that God doesn't exist.

Religion embodies a set of beliefs, a story on how the world got here and what its purpose is, usually with a bunch of rituals to go along with it. Atheists generally accept ignorance on these questions and don't practice common rituals or codes of morality. I don't consider deists religious for that reason also.
I agree that rites and rituals can be part of a religion and that this definition of religion does not apply to atheists. You say atheists accept ignorance on those questions. So what's the difference between atheism and agnosticism in your mind?
You may be talking about them both being faith, but since my position is I don't have the evidence to proactively believe in god and am in no way presenting an alternative "answer", it's incorrect to call atheism as such faith. Unless the atheist says there's no chance at all of a god existing.
That's what atheism is, isn't it? A faith that God does not exist. If you believe He might, isn't that being agnostic?

No one can prove to you god doesn't exist. The proposition that there is a god is non-falsifiable, since it cannot be clearly defined. The goalposts for god are always moved in such debates, which is why I gave up on them a long time ago.

I hope your beliefs bring you peace and happiness in your life.
Thank you, it does.:)

It's not a religion but I do agree with you that atheism does involve a form of faith, because there is no way to know that God doesn't exist. Religious people, and atheist have the same type of mindset IMO, they just believe different things. Agnostics are the ones to claim that we don't know.
Well, if believer and non believers have the same mindset, but just believe the opposite, that's still a belief based on faith. So what makes it not also a religion?

Starting the debate by openly engaging in the fallacy of demanding negative proof is not a very good idea. Just sayin'.
I was being (mostly) facetious. Still, I wasn't kidding that I'm often challenged to prove God's existence. Personally, given the amazing thing the earth alone is, much less the entire universe, I have ample evidence of God's existence. I think it takes more faith to believe this all just happened as some sort of happy accident.

You beat me to it.

Most atheists I know simply don't see any evidence for the existence of a god. I can ask you if you believe in an invisible pink unicorn. But if you say no that doesn't mean that you "believe" there isn't one.
That's exactly what it means. I actively believe there isn't an invisible pink unicorn.

I'm not an atheist. In fact, I am pretty religious, and even I recognize that atheism is not a religion.

1) Religion is a belief. Religious people can prove that by wheeling out a God that they believe in.

2) Atheism? Are you really going to say it is a religion by asking them to prove it by wheeling out no God?

3) Religion has a very small similarity to science in that you must prove that you believe in a God, just as in science, you must prove a theory.

4) Atheism again? Where's The lack of God they don't believe in?

5) Just like creationists, some people are claiming that you can prove a negative, and define atheism on that term. It doesn't work.
Atheism is a belief that there is no God, and since it cannot be definitively proven that there isn't, there is an element of faith in their non-belief. Haven't you run across the atheists (which are not all of them) that not only profess their non-belief but assert that you are wrong or a nut to believe? I have. To me, those are the zealots in the religion that is atheism. I don't really understand what's so troubling about my contention that atheism is a religion. I'm not saying it is a bad thing (although the zealots can be annoying). I am religious. I'm not accusing anybody of anything bad.

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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Well, if believer and non believers have the same mindset, but just believe the opposite, that's still a belief based on faith. So what makes it not also a religion?

Because atheism have no doctrine to their beliefs, and the word religion implies a belief in some form of higher power.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Because atheism have no doctrine to their beliefs, and the word religion implies a belief in some form of higher power.
I agree, that is one definition, but it's not the only one. See bolded part.


re·li·gion   
[ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the*cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world*council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious *beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.
religions, Archaic . religious *rites.
8.
Archaic . strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
—Idiom
9.
get religion, Informal .
a.
to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
b.
to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.
Origin:
1150–1200; Middle English religioun *(< Old French religion ) < Latin religiōn- *(stem of religiō ) conscientiousness, piety, equivalent to relig ( āre ) to tie, fasten ( re- re- *+ ligāre *to bind, tie; compare ligament) + -iōn- -ion; compare rely

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
 
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Using that version of the word you could call believing the Xbox 360 is better than the PS3 a religion.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Mahr is a jack ass. White noise in the realm of reality. irrelevant.


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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Using that version of the word you could call believing the Xbox 360 is better than the PS3 a religion.
To some, I'm sure it is.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Can't play most games on a mac unless you install windows, maybe linux.

Well, I am not into games much...but from what I have experienced, and I have had both, Mac's are a far superior machine overall.


j-mac
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Well, I am not into games much...but from what I have experienced, and I have had both, Mac's are a far superior machine overall.


j-mac

I'm no computer geek but the quality of a machine has more to do with what the quality of your parts, much more than the operating system. I just like to shoot terrorists and aliens with my mouse, and that's best done on a windows machine, that's all i'm sayin :D
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Can't play most games on a mac unless you install windows, maybe linux.

Consoles are better for games, and Mac is getting better in the games department thanks to Steam.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

There is more than one definition of "religion". In the context of atheism, I use it to mean an adhered to belief that God doesn't exist.

Just got to know the definition you're using.

I agree that rites and rituals can be part of a religion and that this definition of religion does not apply to atheists. You say atheists accept ignorance on those questions. So what's the difference between atheism and agnosticism in your mind?

Agnosticism - both statements are equally valid given the evidence. Atheism - I have no reason to believe it given the evidence.

That's what atheism is, isn't it? A faith that God does not exist. If you believe He might, isn't that being agnostic?

No, as an empiricist I couldn't provide any amount of complete certainty to anything. I'm not certain that everytime I drop something gravity will apply. I certainly think it will to a point I don't consider myself undecided on the issue.

Thank you, it does.:)

That alone is all that matters.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Consoles are better for games, and Mac is getting better in the games department thanks to Steam.

I prefer shooting aliens and terrorist with a mouse, that's all it is.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

I prefer shooting aliens and terrorist with a mouse, that's all it is.

I prefer it with a controller, less expensive :lol:
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

I prefer shooting aliens and terrorist with a mouse, that's all it is.

I prefer to shoot mice with bullets made of cheese.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

I thought the topic was the Jack ass Bill Mahr....I understand libs don't wish to address something like one of their own making this statement....Come on...Where's the condemnation? If this were Beck that said this, or some other conservative, libs would be all over these boards name calling.


j-mac
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

I thought the topic was the Jack ass Bill Mahr....I understand libs don't wish to address something like one of their own making this statement....Come on...Where's the condemnation? If this were Beck that said this, or some other conservative, libs would be all over these boards name calling.


j-mac

And if were Beck who said this, conservatives would be all over these boards defending him. ;)
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

No. He has never blasted Judiasim like every other religion. He knows he does that the hand that is feeding him would be snapping his neck. And to top that off, he is Jewish. So he would never hurt his own religion. Even though he claims he does not follow his religion. His religion got him to where he is today.

i thought he was atheist.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

And if were Beck who said this, conservatives would be all over these boards defending him. ;)

I got news for ya Cap, take a re read, conservatives in here defended Mahr on this one too. See, idealogy only matters to libs. When someone says something true we say it is true wheather we think the guy is a douche or not.


j-mac
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

I got news for ya Cap, take a re read, conservatives in here defended Mahr on this one too. See, idealogy only matters to libs. When someone says something true we say it is true wheather we think the guy is a douche or not.


j-mac

Nearly. Your conservative viewpoint forces you to agree with statements which do not conflict with your ideology whatever the source.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Jon "Stew Beef" Stewart is still my man. I think Maher hits the nail on the head on some issues, misses it on others.

He's been doing some great bits. I missed the Rumsfeld interview last week. Did Jonny give em the old reach around?
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Scumbag alert, divide and conquer CIA cointelpro tactic ...Maher come on homey!:roll:

Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspires terrorism


"On Friday, Minnesota Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison appeared on “Real Time with Bill Maher.” Maher told Ellison, who is a Muslim, that the Quran was a “hate-filled holy book” that inspired terrorism."


For once I agree with that waste of life Maher....but it does make me a little sick. lol
 
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