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Dayton Police Department Ordered to Lower Standards to Hire More Blacks

Yet more evidence that this administration's Eric Holder is a bigot.

The purpose of testing is to identify those qualified to do the job. It should not be set aside when not enough people of Eric Holder's race are shown to be qualified.

Here's what should be done if some feel minorities are insufficiently represented on their police forces: They should demand to know why the teachers unions are failing to educate their children so they can pass those tests and get those jobs, and what teachers are going to be fired to improve the quality of education for their children.

not really........the test scores have been lowered for everyone. i sure don't want to live in dayton.
 
your refusal to answer a simple question says a lot about you.

Come on now...what do you want him to do? If he says he agrees that they should lower the standard he proves himself to be the moron that he is. If he says he doesnt think they should lower the standard it just goes to show he is bitching whining and bleating on just for the sake of bitching, whining and bleating on, further proving the moron thing. So instead of actually answering the question he will continue with the personal attacks and avoidance...once again...clearly demonstrating his station in life. By actually asking him a question and expecting him to actually answer it and take a clear position, you have really put him in an unfair spot...and shame on you. Picking on people like him...like that.
 
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I find it hard to believe that the large numbers of drop outs and below grade level learning is due to parents not giving a rats ass. Most likely is states being forced to keep lousy teachers instead of canning them and replacing them with better teachers.

I tend to disagree. much of the blame lies with the students and parents. sure there are some lousy teachers, but there are also good ones.

I hate it when people always want to blame the teachers or the system and give the kids and their parent's a free pass.

It can't be all coincidence that most of the kids who perform poorly attend schools located in areas where poverty, single parent homes, etc are also high. or are we expected to beleive that all the lousy teachers just happen to also congregate in these schools?
 
Come on now...what do you want him to do? If he says he agrees that they should lower the standard he proves himself to be the moron that he is. If he says he doesnt think they should lower the standard it just goes to show he is bitching whining and bleating on just for the sake of bitching, whining and bleating on, further proving the moron thing. So instead of actually answering the question he will continue with the personal attacks and avoidance...once again...clearly demonstrating his station in life. By actually asking him a question and expecting him to actually answer it and take a clear position, you have really put him in an unfair spot...and shame on you. Picking on people like him...like that.

Answering the question is the best option.
 
not really........the test scores have been lowered for everyone. i sure don't want to live in dayton.

Yeah, really......"everyone" didn't need the test scores lowered. Apparently Holder felt black applicants needed an easier scale.

Is there a better example of institutionalized racism out there?

I hate how Democrats claim to be the champion for equal rights for minorities one minute, then insult them the next by basically calling them stupid and incapable.
 
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I tend to disagree. much of the blame lies with the students and parents. sure there are some lousy teachers, but there are also good ones.

I hate it when people always want to blame the teachers or the system and give the kids and their parent's a free pass.

It can't be all coincidence that most of the kids who perform poorly attend schools located in areas where poverty, single parent homes, etc are also high. or are we expected to beleive that all the lousy teachers just happen to also congregate in these schools?

Schools should be about education...not social engineering. Teachers should teach. parents should parent. Kids should learn. Where parents fail in their responsibility they should be held responsible. And if their little darlings cant go to school and learn and be a part of the education process then their ass should be kicked out so as to stop contributing to the decay that is occuring in the public schools. That sounds harsh...too bad. People need to see education as a privelege to be earned, not as a means of someone else babysitting their little ****s for 8 hours a day.
 
Schools should be about education...not social engineering. Teachers should teach. parents should parent. Kids should learn. Where parents fail in their responsibility they should be held responsible. And if their little darlings cant go to school and learn and be a part of the education process then their ass should be kicked out so as to stop contributing to the decay that is occuring in the public schools. That sounds harsh...too bad. People need to see education as a privelege to be earned, not as a means of someone else babysitting their little ****s for 8 hours a day.

Education is not so much a privilege as it is a requirement for the country to exist. That's why people are so angry about the state of it.
 
Yeah, really......"everyone" didn't need the test scores lowered. Apparently Holder felt black applicants needed an easier scale.

Is there a better example of institutionalized racism out there?

I hate how Democrats claim to be the champion for equal rightsfor minorities one minute, then insult them the next by basically calling them stupid and incapable.

but they were lowered for everyone, the scale doesn't apply only to blacks, does it? now, you can argue, rightfully so, that it will benefit blacks, but it could also benefit whites or whomever. the real issue here is that we don't qualified people applying for leo jobs. why, i wonder? way to bring "democrats" into this......
 
but they were lowered for everyone, the scale doesn't apply only to blacks, does it? now, you can argue, rightfully so, that it will benefit blacks, but it could also benefit whites or whomever. the real issue here is that we don't qualified people applying for leo jobs. why, i wonder? way to bring "democrats" into this......



when you lower it for everyone, you are doing nobody a favor. I'd rather have more failures, than substandard folk of any color having my back. :shrug:
 
Schools should be about education...not social engineering. Teachers should teach. parents should parent. Kids should learn. Where parents fail in their responsibility they should be held responsible. And if their little darlings cant go to school and learn and be a part of the education process then their ass should be kicked out so as to stop contributing to the decay that is occuring in the public schools. That sounds harsh...too bad. People need to see education as a privelege to be earned, not as a means of someone else babysitting their little ****s for 8 hours a day.

as a society, we have decided that a certain amount of education IS a right. if a student doesn't take advantage of that right, so be it. put them in alternative schools or whatever until our duty is done, at age 16.
 
Education is not so much a privilege as it is a requirement for the country to exist. That's why people are so angry about the state of it.

EFFECTIVE education is a public need. Individually, it is a privilege. People are angry about it because we see so much of our tax dollars being pissed down a hole with increasingly reduced results. I for one would GLADLY pay more in taxes to reward more effective and efficient educators and school administrators. but not one thin dime for the fiasco it has currently become.
 
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but they were lowered for everyone, the scale doesn't apply only to blacks, does it? now, you can argue, rightfully so, that it will benefit blacks, but it could also benefit whites or whomever. the real issue here is that we don't qualified people applying for leo jobs. why, i wonder? way to bring "democrats" into this......

the only ones it will benefits are those who were too stupid to pass the test to begin with. That's just what society needs....more stupid cops.
 
when you lower it for everyone, you are doing nobody a favor. I'd rather have more failures, than substandard folk of any color having my back. :shrug:

you didn't see me post that i thought it was the right thing to do, did you? i don't think that's the answer. but i also think there are probably plenty of black people capable of becoming leos, but they are not applying. maybe that's what we should be taking a look at. again, i don't want to live in dayton.
 
you didn't see me post that i thought it was the right thing to do, did you? i don't think that's the answer. but i also think there are probably plenty of black people capable of becoming leos, but they are not applying. maybe that's what we should be taking a look at. again, i don't want to live in dayton.


So do I. The ones that can pass the test. :shrug:
 
you didn't see me post that i thought it was the right thing to do, did you? i don't think that's the answer. but i also think there are probably plenty of black people capable of becoming leos, but they are not applying. maybe that's what we should be taking a look at. again, i don't want to live in dayton.

that is a common problem with a lot of jobs. the people that should be applying aren't and the ones that are applying should be cleaning bathrooms and flipping burgers
 
as a society, we have decided that a certain amount of education IS a right. if a student doesn't take advantage of that right, so be it. put them in alternative schools or whatever until our duty is done, at age 16.

I dont disagree that it is a right and a public service. I disagree with the bean counters that only care if there are asses in the seats to be counted. I disagree with the parents who turn over their parental responsibilities to the schools to raise their children. Alternative schools...prison...I dont really care to be honest. Im at the point where I see that the only way we surviive as a society is if we get a leaner and yes, a little meaner when it comes to higher expectations of individuals. The effort to save everyone is ineffective because they are resisting the efforts and it is causing ther lifeboat to sink.
 
I dont disagree that it is a right and a public service. I disagree with the bean counters that only care if there are asses in the seats to be counted. I disagree with the parents who turn over their parental responsibilities to the schools to raise their children. Alternative schools...prison...I dont really care to be honest. Im at the point where I see that the only way we surviive as a society is if we get a leaner and yes, a little meaner when it comes to higher expectations of individuals. The effort to save everyone is ineffective because they are resisting the efforts and it is causing ther lifeboat to sink.

agreed. but i think we still have a responsbility to attempt to educate until the age of 16. kids can't change their parents. i would never agree, (and can hardly believe) that 19 year olds are ninth graders. oscar was correct when he said everbody can't be a doctor, or whatever it was he posted. most kids can be trained for something, it use to be called vocational education, is that gone now?
 
Education is a right in my opinion.

But we keep dumbing it down for the lowest common denominator, which is basically those kids whose parents are either (a) gone, or (b) don't give a crap.

That's why I live in the suburbs. The kids my kids go to school with have parents that give a crap.
 
I dont disagree that it is a right and a public service. I disagree with the bean counters that only care if there are asses in the seats to be counted. I disagree with the parents who turn over their parental responsibilities to the schools to raise their children. Alternative schools...prison...I dont really care to be honest. Im at the point where I see that the only way we surviive as a society is if we get a leaner and yes, a little meaner when it comes to higher expectations of individuals. The effort to save everyone is ineffective because they are resisting the efforts and it is causing ther lifeboat to sink.

There are many parents in wealthy or middle class neighborhoods who let schools raise their children and they turn out just fine. And when students in wealthy neighborhoods resist efforts to be educated, it doesn't 'cause the lifeboat to sink.' It's more complicated than 'blame the dumb kids and parents'. Poverty causes this behavior and this behavior causes poverty. It's a reinforcing mechanism.
 
There are many parents in wealthy or middle class neighborhoods who let schools raise their children and they turn out just fine. And when students in wealthy neighborhoods resist efforts to be educated, it doesn't 'cause the lifeboat to sink.' It's more complicated than 'blame the dumb kids and parents'. Poverty causes this behavior and this behavior causes poverty. It's a reinforcing mechanism.

In those schools, problem children are dealt with, and parents get involved. You don't see the "victimization card" played against the teachers, so they can actually do their job.
 
agreed. but i think we still have a responsbility to attempt to educate until the age of 16. kids can't change their parents. i would never agree, (and can hardly believe) that 19 year olds are ninth graders. oscar was correct when he said everbody can't be a doctor, or whatever it was he posted. most kids can be trained for something, it use to be called vocational education, is that gone now?

From what I've heard, they don't really talk about vocational education is low-income schools. They bring up the military...but then half the kids don't graduate. I think vocational education would be a really good short term solution to getting people contributing to society, but in the long term, I still think we need make an effort to bring poor kids up to better levels. People keep saying that this is a lost cause, but the problem is, our government and education system has never actually tried to do it.
 
From what I've heard, they don't really talk about vocational education is low-income schools. They bring up the military...but then half the kids don't graduate. I think vocational education would be a really good short term solution to getting people contributing to society, but in the long term, I still think we need make an effort to bring poor kids up to better levels. People keep saying that this is a lost cause, but the problem is, our government and education system has never actually tried to do it.


what's your point on the military? Are you saying that the poor get routed into the military?
 
agreed. but i think we still have a responsbility to attempt to educate until the age of 16.

I think 16 is a bit old. you can usually tell by the time a kid is 12-13 whether or not he/she is cut out for academia. what you wind up with is a bunch of kids hanging around killing time and causing trouble in middle school waiting to turn 16 so they can drop out.
 
In those schools, problem children are dealt with, and parents get involved. You don't see the "victimization card" played against the teachers, so they can actually do their job.

It's not BS, I went to a private high school where some (obviously not most) parents didn't give a crap. They paid the money (so they did give a bit of crap), but some were never home, some were raging alcoholics, some never went to any of their children's events, some students had to take care of their siblings while their parents were off doing god knows what. But they had things in a great education system because of their parents money to escape from it all and do well.

Also, why do so many people on this board call the facts of poverty 'victimization'? They aren't 'victims'. In every country throughout the entirety of history, the poor are ALWAYS the least educated and benefit the least from society. Why are we still denying this thousands of years into civilization?
 
From what I've heard, they don't really talk about vocational education is low-income schools. They bring up the military...but then half the kids don't graduate. I think vocational education would be a really good short term solution to getting people contributing to society, but in the long term, I still think we need make an effort to bring poor kids up to better levels. People keep saying that this is a lost cause, but the problem is, our government and education system has never actually tried to do it.

There is a lot of truth to the old saying, "the world needs ditch diggers, too."

I respect anyone who earns an honest living. I think most people feel that way.

Having a trade lends itself to high self-esteem. I think that's why the Hispanic American outperform black Americans by such a large margin; they aren't relying on being the next LeBron or Pdiddy. Most Hispanics take tremendous pride in the value of work, family, and self-reliance. In many cases, they're Republicans and don't know it.
 
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