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End Operations in Afghanistan, Karzai Tells NATO

WOW! It's still all about oil, huh?

The pipeline will carry liquid natural gas through Pakistan. Thats why we're in Pakstan also.
 
No, he was wrong. It isn't the withdrawal from Vietnam that is used against the US, it is the entire Vietnamese misadventure, including Kissinger's criminal bombing campaign against the friendly Lon Nol regime in Cambodia, which provided the impetus for the Khmer Rouge take-over and subsequent genocide.

When will Kissinger be accorded the full war criminal status he so richly deserves?
No, he was wrong. It isn't the withdrawal from Vietnam that is used against the US, it is the entire Vietnamese misadventure, including Kissinger's criminal bombing campaign against the friendly Lon Nol regime in Cambodia, which provided the impetus for the Khmer Rouge take-over and subsequent genocide.

When will Kissinger be accorded the full war criminal status he so richly deserves?

It was a "misadventure" because it all became political rather than military, and the US eventually withdrew for political reasons, not military reasons. It was a huge mistake.

Kissinger charged with war crimes?? Incredible!!

What about all the Communists, thousands of whom are still alive, who should be charged with war crimes! All those murderous bastards, some of them still in power, and you want Henry Kissinger charged?

Wow! You Eurolefties are really something else!
 
See Obama is a NeoCon, not a commie after all.

Fox News thought if they labelled him a marxist you would not notice that the 2 parties are the same.
 
You'd feel the same way too if these "friendly" forces kill your family members.
 
What else do you think it could possibly be about?

LOL!!

Yes, it's all about oil, Andablue. That's why the US supports Israel over every other mid East country.. It's all about oil.

Or perhaps the US isn't helping the rebels in Libya now because it's all about oil. Or should they overthrow Gadaffi because it's all about oil? You Lefties should have the inside scoop..

The Leftists know Iraq was all about oil as well, which is why gas prices in the States is selling for less than $.50 a gallon right now. Can't get anything past you guys!
 
The war is about caspian sea natural gas pipelines, not terrorism.

Terrorism is just a cover story so the NeoCons, can finish executing Dick Cheneys energy policy.

"The Energy Task Force, officially the National Energy Policy Development Group, was a task force created by then-president George W. Bush during his second week in office. Vice President Dick Cheney was named chairman. This group was intended to “develop a national energy policy designed to help the private sector, and, as necessary and appropriate, State and local governments, promote dependable, affordable, and environmentally sound production and distribution of energy for the future."

Energy Task Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The pipeline will carry liquid natural gas through Pakistan. Thats why we're in Pakstan also.

See Obama is a NeoCon, not a commie after all.

Fox News thought if they labelled him a marxist you would not notice that the 2 parties are the same.

LOL!!

Yes, it's all about oil, Andablue. That's why the US supports Israel over every other mid East country.. It's all about oil.

PS. Israel functionss as a proxy for the US and the mossad helps guard the pipelines
in occupied countries.
 
PS. Israel functionss as a proxy for the US and the mossad helps guard the pipelines
in occupied countries.

Thanks for the information, Kane. I really didn't suspect that at all.
 
Thanks for the information, Kane. I really didn't suspect that at all.

Oh yes, Israel has its mitts all over this war for profit scheme.
 
Leiberman became a Republican , and Diane Feinstiens family has a mult million dollar security consulting gig.

Like in Michael Moore's Capitalism, A Love Story, All the senators got million dollar loans from Countrywide before it fell,because they had special access,, and were on a freinds of the CEO list for special instant approval. They didnt have to pay back the loans either.

So the congress are profiting off these schemes directly, like the one guy who owns the airport scanner company
 
See Obama is a NeoCon, not a commie after all.

Fox News thought if they labelled him a marxist you would not notice that the 2 parties are the same.

No need to thank me, I can see that the posters here are too blnded by the lame stream media.
 
Leiberman became a Republican , and Diane Feinstiens family has a mult million dollar security consulting gig.

Like in Michael Moore's Capitalism, A Love Story, All the senators got million dollar loans from Countrywide before it fell,because they had special access,, and were on a freinds of the CEO list for special instant approval. They didnt have to pay back the loans either.

So the congress are profiting off these schemes directly, like the one guy who owns the airport scanner company

I thought Lieberman became an independent, not Conservative, but you're probably right. What about Feinstein? What do you think of her? I hear she's got lot of money.
 
LOL!!

Yes, it's all about oil, Andablue. That's why the US supports Israel over every other mid East country.. It's all about oil.

Or perhaps the US isn't helping the rebels in Libya now because it's all about oil. Or should they overthrow Gadaffi because it's all about oil? You Lefties should have the inside scoop..

The Leftists know Iraq was all about oil as well, which is why gas prices in the States is selling for less than $.50 a gallon right now. Can't get anything past you guys!

You ain't too bright, Grant. Never have been. My comment was not an assertion, but an invitation for you to actually debate the issue rather than float us a few more lines of rhetoric. What si the motivation for the continuing Afghan operation? What are the aims? What are the milestones for judging whether the operation is succeeding? How are NATO assessing the situation and when will we know that they have achieved their aims?

The ongoing problem of this Afghan adventure is that no one really has an idea of what is achievable in the long term nor whether or not those goals are coming closer or receding into the distance. All tactics, no strategy.
The Leftists know Iraq was all about oil as well, which is why gas prices in the States is selling for less than $.50 a gallon right now. Can't get anything past you guys!

Oh, and btw, US gas prices may be higher than $0.50 a gallon, but they are still less than half what most of the rest of the developed world is paying. We're paying $7 a gallon, the UK and France are paying over $8, Sweden, Norway and Switzerland over $9. You?
 
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You ain't too bright, Grant. Never have been. My comment was not an assertion, but an invitation for you to actually debate the issue rather than float us a few more lines of rhetoric. What is the motivation for the continuing Afghan operation? What are the aims? What are the milestones for judging whether the operation is succeeding? How are NATO assessing the situation and when will we know that they have achieved their aims?

These questions were raised in order to debate the issue? When?? We can discuss this certainly, but debating whether the Iraqi or Afghan involvement is "All About Oil" is like debating where BHO was born or whether Paul McCartney is dead.

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 - Wikisource

http://politicalmav ens.com/index. php/2008/ 08/07/the- next-time- someone-says- iraq-was- a-war-for- oil-slap- them-with- t/

The ongoing problem of this Afghan adventure is that no one really has an idea of what is achievable in the long term nor whether or not those goals are coming closer or receding into the distance. All tactics, no strategy.

They were saying the same thing about Iraq and now Iraq is probably, along with Israel, the most stable area of the Middle East.

What was your time line for Iraq and what were you expecting from Afghanistan? You were told that the war on terror would take many, many years. Did you not believe that?

Oh, and btw, US gas prices may be higher than $0.50 a gallon, but they are still less than half what most of the rest of the developed world is paying. We're paying $7 a gallon, the UK and France are paying over $8, Sweden, Norway and Switzerland over $9. You?

Yes, gas prices are in the $4.00 range in the States, and they are getting most of their oil from Canada, You have more taxes in Europe which is why you pay more for your gasoline. We're approaching the European range in Canada (about $4.80 here) even though we should be self sufficient. It always depends on what the government thinks the market will bear and if people aren't rioting in the streets over gas prices they will continue to gouge the paying public for whatever they can get.

Gas has always been proportionality lower in the US than Canada because they have fewer taxes on the product, and it has been that way for generations. But the Americans complain loudly about high gas prices when the government adds a tax. Canadians, and apparently Europeans as well, generally just grumble.
 
I think the main reason to be in Afghanistan now is because of the screwed up situation in Pakistan; and a ever concern that their nukes could fall in the wrong hands. If we're not in Afghanistan, then where would we be? We would have zero access to that area, because there is no other country that would give it to us. Once we're are gone, there is no going back either.
 
I think the main reason to be in Afghanistan now is because of the screwed up situation in Pakistan; and a ever concern that their nukes could fall in the wrong hands. If we're not in Afghanistan, then where would we be? We would have zero access to that area, because there is no other country that would give it to us. Once we're are gone, there is no going back either.

I agree, American.

There is now an American 'Embassy' in Iraq which can monitor the entire Middle East and have a good idea of what's going on in the area. The same is true of Afghanistan. Both countries are are srrounded by trouble spots and need NATO or American prescence to keep track of what's going on.
 
Does this statement from Karzai constitute a formal request for foreign troops to leave his country? If so, will they/should they?
 
Does this statement from Karzai constitute a formal request for foreign troops to leave his country? If so, will they/should they?

It remains to be seen if this is one of the impulsive outbursts for which Mr. Karzai is known. Even if it were a formal request, I believe the U.S. should make its decision strictly based upon the U.S. national interest. If the U.S. interest is sufficiently great to justify remaining in Afghanistan, then Mr. Karzai's request should be ignored.
 
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It remains to be seen if this is one of the impulsive outbursts for which Mr. Karzai is known. Even if it were a formal request, I believe the U.S. should make its decision strictly based upon the U.S. national interest. If the U.S. interest is sufficiently great to justify remaining in Afghanistan, then Mr. Karzai's request should be ignored.

Well, I thought that Afghanistan is now a NATO operation. This being the case there will be more considerations than simply the US national interest to consider. In any case, what US national interest is being served there? Afghanistan has never been the main base for terrorists attacking the West (that would be our ally, Saudi Arabia), as far as anyone knows OBL hasn't been based there for several years, and the Taleban have never demonstrated any international ambitions. The opium trade is as flourishing now as it was under the Taleban, so as I asked earlier, what are the goals of the continued operation and what is the exit strategy?
 
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It remains to be seen if this is one of the impulsive outbursts for which Mr. Karzai is known. Even if it were a formal request, I believe the U.S. should make its decision strictly based upon the U.S. national interest. If the U.S. interest is sufficiently great to justify remaining in Afghanistan, then Mr. Karzai's request should be ignored.

I'm not so sure I agree that we should remain in a foriegn country in a military manner, if that country tells us to leave.
 
I'm not so sure I agree that we should remain in a foriegn country in a military manner, if that country tells us to leave.

It's the best interests of the Afghan people, as well as international security, that must take top priority, not the wishes of Mr. Karzai,
 
It's the best interests of the Afghan people, as well as international security, that must take top priority, not the wishes of Mr. Karzai,

Well, if you're pretending that you have installed a democratic government in the country, then if that government tells you to leave, shouldn't you leave. That IS the voice of the Afghan people, according to you. Isn't NOT leaving tantamount to admitting that the government you have installed is just a puppet of your occupation?
 
Karzai wants us out?

Pffft fine.

Headlines one year from now "Hamid Karzai was captured by Taliban fighters, tortured and beheaded".

Whoops!
 
I think that the best thing we can do, is basically use this as an opportunity to get the hell out. Since the new rules of engagement have been implemented, handcuffing our troops, there is no possible way to reach any objective set.

Karzal, can't be trusted, to say the least, we aren't wanted there by the people according to some here. The left in this country, would rather point to the innocent civilians being killed by our troops there, then worry about our American men and women dying there. It's time to tuck our tails between our legs and remove ourselves from another Vietnam that cannot be won. I would also hope that our aid to that country be withdrawn as well. If we are wanted out, lets do what is asked, but the aid given by American should be removed as well.
 
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