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Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

CriticalThought said:
By nature? Who didn't see that one coming?

mac is up to his old games.
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Really, that's what you got out of that statement?

What that means is that simply because it is now abnormal, it being abnormal doesn't dictate that it will one day be normal.
 
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Your Star said:
Morally I fail to see how homosexuality could be a moral, or immoral thing. I mean, it's just an attraction to the same sex, your not harming anyone. I don't see homosexuality in the moral/immoral dichotomy, it's just a state of being.
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I fail to see how putting ur dick in another dude's butthole, or licking another girl's nipple or clit is inherently wrong or immoral. If anything gay dudes have a much higher pain tolerance level the us straights. I wouldn't let anyone near my ass.
 
Your Star said:
The whole normal argument is pointless, whether or not you think it's normal or not, doesn't mean that is enough reason to deny LGBT equal protection. Not being normal, isn't due process.
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It's pointless to both sides. Whether it's normal or not doesn't help either side get over the disagreement.
 
Your Star said:
Morally I fail to see how homosexuality could be a moral, or immoral thing. I mean, it's just an attraction to the same sex, your not harming anyone. I don't see homosexuality in the moral/immoral dichotomy, it's just a state of being.
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There are a lot of taboos placed on sex by our species. Because homosexuality has historically, with few exceptions, been taboo it has become ingrained into our morality as an immoral act.
 
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Big Tom said:
lol...wow. This is liberalism at its core. No talking to "people" like this. If you think that is normal thats between you and God.
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EXACTLY.....so what's your problem? are you god?
 
mac said:
Really, that's what you got out of that statement?

What that means is that simply because it is now abnormal, it being abnormal doesn't dictate that it will one day be normal.
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Because something is abnormal does not mean it will become normal?

Did you really think anyone was arguing that because something may be abnormal it will automatically become normal at some point? Or was that the best you could do to cover up the fact that you were transitioning into the nature argument because you were losing the normal argument?

Oh...you edited your post. :roll:
 
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mac said:
What are cows supposed to be?
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Herbivorous mammals.


It's important to remember not everything abnormal, by nature of it being abnormal, will one day be normal.
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Of course, since nobody has made the assertion that al lthings that are viewed as abrnoam will eventually become normal, there's really no point in saying it is important to remember it.

But since people do make the claim that what is abnormal today should remain abnormal, it's important for them to remember that if they were transplanted to a different time, they'd probably get killed for their deviancy.

Especialy when they use those claims as th ebasis for obstructing otehrs form being treated equitably.
 
CriticalThought said:
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Because something is abnormal does not mean it will become normal?

Did you really think anyone was arguing that because something may be abnormal it will automatically become normal at some point? Or was that the best you could do to cover up the fact that you were transitioning into the nature argument because you were losing the normal argument?
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Yeah, Tuck was. I was replying to him. Try to keep up, enlightened one.
 
Your Star said:
Morally I fail to see how homosexuality could be a moral, or immoral thing. I mean, it's just an attraction to the same sex, your not harming anyone. I don't see homosexuality in the moral/immoral dichotomy, it's just a state of being.
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Yep. Yet somehow people keep on dragging it back to morality and then refusing to discuss what makes something moral/immoral.

Ethics doesn't really enter into most people's definition of "moral" when discussing this issue, sadly. You'd think the study of morality would have more impact when people are trying to make an argument based purely on was is and is not "moral."
 
mac said:
Yeah, Tuck was. I was replying to him. Try to keep up, enlightened one.
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Oh really?

Tucker Case said:
Of course, since nobody has made the assertion that al lthings that are viewed as abrnoam will eventually become normal, there's really no point in saying it is important to remember it.
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I don't have to be enlightened to read that even he isn't falling for your crap.
 
Tucker Case said:
Herbivorous mammals.
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and food. Every single bit of that animal is food.

Of course, since nobody has made the assertion that al lthings that are viewed as abrnoam will eventually become normal, there's really no point in saying it is important to remember it.

But since people do make the claim that what is abnormal today should remain abnormal, it's important for them to remember that if they were transplanted to a different time, they'd probably get killed for their deviancy.

Especialy when they use those claims as th ebasis for obstructing otehrs form being treated equitably.
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Then what's the point of continually pointing out what was once abnormal can become normal, it can just as easily remain abnormal?

We all concede that morality shifts...
 
mac said:
There are a lot of taboos placed on sex by our species. Because homosexuality has historically, with few exceptions, been taboo it has become ingrained into our morality as an immoral act.
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And that is stupid, sex is apart of life, and some people like members of the same sex, get over it.
 
mac said:
and food. Every single bit of that animal is food.
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And humans are food as well. Every single bit of us is food.


Then what's the point of continually pointing out what was once abnormal can become normal, it can just as easily remain abnormal?

We all concede that morality shifts...
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First, we're not talking about morality, we're talking about normal/abnormal.

The point of showing that normalacy shifts is to show the inehrent lack of logic and irrational nature of "normal" arguments.
 
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mac said:
There are a lot of taboos placed on sex by our species. Because homosexuality has historically, with few exceptions, been taboo it has become ingrained into our morality as an immoral act.
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Whether homosexuality is a norm or a taboo throughout most of history I think is a matter of debate, and in the end each society or civilization had its own views on the matter. Certain societies historically have socially approved of certain forms of homosexuality (i.e. pederasty in ancient Greece). I also think the diffusion and spread of two of the world's major religions (Christianity and Islam) have much to do with the traditional negative views toward homosexuality.
 
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WHAT? How so?
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Because I did not say that.

It was a strawman you created because it's easier for you to dishonestly battle that strawman than it is for you to actually rebut the arguements I do present.
 
Tucker Case said:
And humans are food as well. Every single bit of us is food.
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We are food for whom?

First, we're not talking about morality, we're talking about normal/abnormal.

The point of showing that normalacy shifts is to show the inehrent lack of logic and irrational nature of "normal" arguments.
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We are talking about morality. The morality behind what is normal and abnormal concerning homosexuality. You are attempting to show that because something has once been abnormal and is now normal that there is no defense of thinking something to be abnormal.

It was once normal in our society to get married and start a family at the age of 13....not only is that not normal now, it is taboo. See, it can go the other way too.
 
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Because I did not say that.
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You did say that, or at least implied it.

It was a strawman you created because it's easier for you to dishonestly battle that strawman than it is for you to actually rebut the arguements I do present.
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That's a lie. And now I'm done with you. I actually thought you wanted to discuss the issue rather than pour out more vitriol.
 
Will mac figure out that normalcy has nothing to do with morality? Stay tuned.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Whether homosexuality is a norm or a taboo throughout most of history I think is a matter of debate, and in the end each society or civilization had its own views on the matter. Certain societies historically have socially approved of certain forms of homosexuality (i.e. pederasty in ancient Greece). I also think the diffusion and spread of two of the world's major religions (Christianity and Islam) have much to do with the traditional negative views toward homosexuality.
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I agree, I ask you though, if it was once so completely accepted as it seems to have been in Greece....how was it able to be so stigmatized?
 
mac said:
I agree, I ask you though, if it was once so completely accepted as it seems to have been in Greece....how was it able to be so stigmatized?
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I mentioned this already, but I think the global dominance of Christianity and Islam (and I don't know about Islam, but we all know about the passages in both the Old and New Testaments that supposedly condemn homosexuality) definitely have a lot to do with it.
 
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