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Maryland Gay Marriage Bill sent back to cmte. Shelved for this year at least.

Big Tom said:
I feel sorry for you. If you belive all that thats between you and God.
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Laws of a country have nothing to do with God. If they did, then how would we decide who's God to base such laws on? Laws should be based on what I posted in my earlier post, preventing people from infringing upon other people's rights.
 
Big Tom said:
If you think its normal to be gay, thats on you. I don't.
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The difference between our viewpoints is that I'm not trying to make a law denying you equal protection under the law. Just saying.
 
Big Tom said:
Wasn't that the tracker from Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid? lol
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No, actually it was this guy...

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roguenuke said:
Laws of a country have nothing to do with God. If they did, then how would we decide who's God to base such laws on? Laws should be based on what I posted in my earlier post, preventing people from infringing upon other people's rights.
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Actually it's generally theorized that law, religion, etiquette, and morality all overlap to create the societies code of conduct and that none of the four exist independently or can exist without an interdependence.
 
Big Tom said:
lol...wow. This is liberalism at its core. No talking to "people" like this. If you think that is normal thats between you and God.
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I'll ask you the same question I ask everyone. Define normal.

Oh... and you exude conservatism at it's core... intolerance.
 
Your Star said:
You need to provide logical reason to claim something is moral, or not, you can't just say "well I said so"
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Logic usually has very little to do with morality, and as such doesn't necessarily need to be defined logically.
 
mac said:
Logic usually has very little to do with morality, and as such doesn't necessarily need to be defined logically.
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Morality without logic is ignorance.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I'll ask you the same question I ask everyone. Define normal.
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according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm, rule, or principle. conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I beg to differ.
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Actually, I agree with him. I can believe something is moral, even if it is illogical to do so. Doesn't mean I have the right to place those beliefs on anyone else, but they do not have to be proven logical for me to believe them.
 
mac said:
according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm, rule, or principle. conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern.
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You've gone with the mathematical definition of the "normal/deviant" dichotomy. So, you will agree that both lefthandedness and being Jewish in the US is deviant, correct?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Actually, I agree with him. I can believe something is moral, even if it is illogical to do so. Doesn't mean I have the right to place those beliefs on anyone else, but they do not have to be proven logical for me to believe them.
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I guess it's a matter of perspective them. Morality for me, personally, is based on logic. Could you give any examples of things or behaviors you believe to be both moral and illogical at the same time?
 
StillBallin75 said:
I guess it's a matter of perspective them. Morality for me, personally, is based on logic. Could you give any examples of things or behaviors you believe to be both moral and illogical at the same time?
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I believe in God. I cannot prove that God exists, therefore I have no logical proof for His existence.

I believe that pedophiles should be killed. The lack of logic in this is that it is an appeal to emotion.

Things like this.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I believe in God. I cannot prove that God exists, therefore I have no logical proof for His existence.

I believe that pedophiles should be killed. The lack of logic in this is that it is an appeal to emotion.

Things like this.
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Yeah I guess it's a matter or perspective then. Gardener's post is a perfect example of why I think you can't separate morality from logic.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Yeah I guess it's a matter or perspective then. Gardener's post is a perfect example of why I think you can't separate morality from logic.
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It's pretty easy to prove morality to be illogical just by understanding how logical fallacies work. The logic in morality is how one arrives at their OWN moral positions. THAT may be logical, but it is only relatively logical, not globally.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
It's pretty easy to prove morality to be illogical just by understanding how logical fallacies work. The logic in morality is how one arrives at their OWN moral positions. THAT may be logical, but it is only relatively logical, not globally.
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That's true. That's what we're doing in this thread after all. Trying to use logic in an attempt to determine whether homosexuality and gay marriage are moral/immoral, depending on which side you're on.
 
Also... notice. The best way to get someone who is anti-gay to run away is ask them to define "normal". The only one who dared to answer is mac, and I wouldn't necessarily define him as anti-gay, though he argues some of the points on that side of the issue.
 
mac said:
Actually it's generally theorized that law, religion, etiquette, and morality all overlap to create the societies code of conduct and that none of the four exist independently or can exist without an interdependence.
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Law may have been formed with the influence of religion and morality, but it can certainly exist and be maintained without them.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Also... notice. The best way to get someone who is anti-gay to run away is ask them to define "normal". The only one who dared to answer is mac, and I wouldn't necessarily define him as anti-gay, though he argues some of the points on that side of the issue.
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That's perhaps one of the first questions someone should ask him/herself when they're deciding their position on homosexuality. Otherwise they haven't even gotten around to thinking critically about the issue yet.
 
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