Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

[Marshabar]

By James Oliphant, Washington Bureau

March 11, 2011
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WASHINGTON -- Rep. Peter King and his fellow Republicans in the House declared their much-criticized hearing into Muslim "radicalization" in America a success, even as detractors slammed it as an "outrage" and "reality TV."

"Our hearings today were informative and educational and hopefully will have consequences in the Muslim American community," King, chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, told reporters after the more than four-hour hearing on Capitol Hill on Thursday.

Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans - latimes.com

Well I hope this article meets the guidelines. I'm not sure why a bonafide newspaper feels the need to wrap the word radicalization in quotation marks. :roll:

I watched the whole hearing and found it very enlightening. The Democrats to a man made fools of themselves as far as I'm concerned. They are complete slaves to the idiocy of political correctness. I am convinced that if they were captured and tortured by an "Islamist" as they are now calling Islamofascist jihadis they would apologize for not holding still.

NOTE: Moderator edit to reduce quoted text to what is permissible under Breaking News/Fair Use guidelines.

 

[Barbbtx]

Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans - latimes.com

Well I hope this article meets the guidelines. I'm not sure why a bonafide newspaper feels the need to wrap the word radicalization in quotation marks. :roll:

I watched the whole hearing and found it very enlightening. The Democrats to a man made fools of themselves as far as I'm concerned. They are complete slaves to the idiocy of political correctness. I am convinced that if they were captured and tortured by an "Islamist" as they are now calling Islamofascist jihadis they would apologize for not holding still.

:agree I watched the whole thing too>

 

[hazlnut]

Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans - latimes.com

Well I hope this article meets the guidelines. I'm not sure why a bonafide newspaper feels the need to wrap the word radicalization in quotation marks. :roll:

I watched the whole hearing and found it very enlightening. The Democrats to a man made fools of themselves as far as I'm concerned. They are complete slaves to the idiocy of political correctness. I am convinced that if they were captured and tortured by an "Islamist" as they are now calling Islamofascist jihadis they would apologize for not holding still.

1) Perhaps you're not aware what a gaping hypocrite Peter King is. He vocally supported the IRA.

2) Perhaps if Peter King and other fringe-righties like yourself were ever harassed by a paranoid overzealous peace officer -- cavity searched by a dimwitted Barney Fife, you would see how damaging blatant fear-mongering is.

3) Your belief that people are actually captured and tortured in the U.S. shows how far removed from reality you are.

 

[Guy Incognito]

These hearings are a tremendous success for all the racists, xenophobes and bigots in this country. The rest of us should not be celebrating.

 

[Ockham]

These hearings are a tremendous success for all the racists, xenophobes and bigots in this country. The rest of us should not be celebrating.

Like these racists, xenophobes and bigots who passed this 2007 law?

Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[hazlnut]

Like these racists, xenophobes and bigots who passed this 2007 law?

Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here we go -- the ol' "quick, change the subject and avoid addressing the issue" -- the bold fringe-right move of RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!

 

[StillBallin75]

Here we go -- the ol' "quick, change the subject and avoid addressing the issue" -- the bold fringe-right move of RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!

Or maybe Ockham's just attempting to point out hypocrisy where he sees it...

 

[Guy Incognito]

Like these racists, xenophobes and bigots who passed this 2007 law?

Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah, them too. That's the thing about the Tea Party racists, they are playing right into the hands of the people who committed the 9/11 attacks. The tea party bigots' hatred of Muslims is so mainstream that our congress is committing McCarthy-esque hearings against an entire religion. They are trying to pit Americans against Islam itself, which is precisely the battle the terrorists wanted to fight.

Don't you get it? The terrorists wanted this.

 

[ARealConservative]

These hearings are a tremendous success for all the racists, xenophobes and bigots in this country. The rest of us should not be celebrating.

ironically, you sound pretty intolerant of King's position.

 

[StillBallin75]

Yeah, them too. That's the thing about the Tea Party racists, they are playing right into the hands of the people who committed the 9/11 attacks. The tea party bigots' hatred of Muslims is so mainstream that our congress is committing McCarthy-esque hearings against an entire religion. They are trying to pit Americans against Islam itself, which is precisely the battle the terrorists wanted to fight.

Don't you get it? The terrorists wanted this.

I agree with some of what you're saying Guy. I'm don't believe it was by design though.

 

[Guy Incognito]

ironically, you sound pretty intolerant of King's position.

Not really ironic. I support Islam and stand by it, he does not. Where's the irony? I'm "intolerant of intolerance" or some such garbage? If that's your point the I'd say you don't really get how tolerance works.

 

[Barbbtx]

Well it's obvious that a few here didn't watch it.
The only down side was a few dems screaming for investigations into the KKK and Christian radicals.
The three Muslims who testifed couldn't have been more grateful for the hearings and want them to continue.

 

[Guy Incognito]

I agree with some of what you're saying Guy. I'm don't believe it was by design though.

How do you mean? This is the design of terrorists coming to fruition more perfectly than they could have planned, I'll grant you that. Who could have known that so many American racists would so gleefully join in and take up their part of Al Qaeda's plot?

But yes, basically, it was by design. That's how the terrorism as a strategy works. Terrorism is a way of calling attention to a cause when there is adversary is overwhelmingly powerful. But terrorism itself is only a prelude to changing the theater, by which I mean in this case changing the framing of the conflict from America vs. Fringe Extremist Group to America vs. Islam itself. We have to pray that reframing does not happen, or the terrorists really will have won. But I see it happening before my very eyes.

 

[StillBallin75]

Well it's obvious that a few here didn't watch it.
The only down side was a few dems screaming for investigations into the KKK and Christian radicals.
The three Muslims who testifed couldn't have been more grateful for the hearings and want them to continue.

I didn't watch it, but I can kind of see both sides of the issue here.

 

[American]

Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans - latimes.com

Well I hope this article meets the guidelines. I'm not sure why a bonafide newspaper feels the need to wrap the word radicalization in quotation marks. :roll:

I watched the whole hearing and found it very enlightening. The Democrats to a man made fools of themselves as far as I'm concerned. They are complete slaves to the idiocy of political correctness. I am convinced that if they were captured and tortured by an "Islamist" as they are now calling Islamofascist jihadis they would apologize for not holding still.

It's unfortunate that the Dems have members like Sheila Jackson Lee on the committee; not the best mind to have involved nor the best face of the Dem Party.

 

[ARealConservative]

Not really ironic. I support Islam and stand by it, he does not. Where's the irony? I'm "intolerant of intolerance" or some such garbage? If that's your point the I'd say you don't really get how tolerance works.

A bigot is a person intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions while exhibiting animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

so maybe you shouldn't throw the bigot/xenophobe card while totally surrounded by glass.

 

[Guy Incognito]

The only down side was a few dems screaming for investigations into the KKK and Christian radicals.

I like what Jon Stewart had to say about this argument: "Yeah, those hearing were really unfair to all the moderate klansmen."

The point being that if this had been a hearing on Al Qaeda, it would be one thing. But holding a hearing on the religion of Islam itself is obscene.

 

[Ockham]

Here we go -- the ol' "quick, change the subject and avoid addressing the issue" -- the bold fringe-right move of RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!

Well, if some will go claiming racism, bigotry and xenophobia - I want to make sure who all is being included. Are these 2007 folks included or do they get to opt out because of political ideology?

 

[ARealConservative]

I didn't watch it, but I can kind of see both sides of the issue here.

agreed.

there is reason for concern, but we should also be concerned of overpaying the issue for political gain.

everyone should be concerned with the rise of extremism in our prisons.

 

[StillBallin75]

How do you mean? This is the design of terrorists coming to fruition more perfectly than they could have planned, I'll grant you that. Who could have known that so many American racists would so gleefully join in and take up their part of Al Qaeda's plot?

But yes, basically, it was by design. That's how the terrorism as a strategy works. Terrorism is a way of calling attention to a cause when there is adversary is overwhelmingly powerful. But terrorism itself is only a prelude to changing the theater, by which I mean in this case changing the framing of the conflict from America vs. Fringe Extremist Group to America vs. Islam itself. We have to pray that reframing does not happen, or the terrorists really will have won. But I see it happening before my very eyes.

I think you're giving Al-Qaeda way too much credit here. I doubt they had all of these calculations in mind. In reality all AQ wanted to achieve in committing 9/11 was that they thought they could get us to withdraw our military forces from the Middle East and stop supporting Israel. Clearly they miscalculated, although we haven't done ourselves any favors. I doubt that it was their master plan to put America against all of Islam, but clearly the spate of Islamic terrorism in recent decades have colored and skewed the West's view of Islam for sure. I think it's a temporary thing that will pass (even if it takes awhile to do so), just like discrimination against Japanese and Chinese-Americans. Clearly AQ itself isn't really better off after doing all this, so I think it's a real big stretch to say "this is what they wanted all along." They certainly haven't done themselves any favors.

 

[Guy Incognito]

A bigot is a person intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions while exhibiting animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

so maybe you shouldn't throw the bigot/xenophobe card while totally surrounded by glass.

From wikipedia:

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing race, ethnicity, nationality, inter-regional prejudice, gender and sexual orientation, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders and religion or spirituality. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.

I'll admit that I, according to some definitions, am bigotted against bigots. But this is not my own preferred definition of the term bigot, which to me applies to people who are vehemently intolerant of others based on race, creed, sex, sexual preference, etc. Lest we equivocate, I'll call me usage bigotry1 and your usage bigotry2.

Being vehemently intolerant of racists is a kind of bigotry that I adamantly support. I question anybody who isn't "bigoted2 against bigots1."

 

[Barbbtx]

Not really ironic. I support Islam and stand by it, he does not. Where's the irony? I'm "intolerant of intolerance" or some such garbage? If that's your point the I'd say you don't really get how tolerance works.

You are standing with radical Islam and throwing the moderates under the bus.

 

[Ockham]

Yeah, them too.

So anyone who doesn't agree with you or who wants to identify terrorists in the United States gets labeled by you as racists, bigots and xenopobic. Got it.

That's the thing about the Tea Party racists, they are playing right into the hands of the people who committed the 9/11 attacks. The tea party bigots' hatred of Muslims is so mainstream that our congress is committing McCarthy-esque hearings against an entire religion. They are trying to pit Americans against Islam itself, which is precisely the battle the terrorists wanted to fight.

How is the Tea Party relevant here? King isn't a Tea Party member or supporter and the Tea Party didn't exist as a movement in 2007, therefore that's just another red herring.

Don't you get it? The terrorists wanted this.

I want it too. I want to find out who's wanting to blow other people up, no matter if their muslim, christian, agnostic or any other religion. The more we identify, the better off we'll be.

 

[hazlnut]

These hearings are a tremendous success for all the racists, xenophobes and bigots in this country. The rest of us should not be celebrating.

Do the Foxies pee their pants whenever muslim families walk by?

 

[Erod]

This thread is prime example that liberals suffer from anal-cranial inversion.

How could you possibly be against investigating the radicalization of Muslims in America?

I mean, how candy ass can you get?