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Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

Of course the US isnt immune. In fact the extremists are COUNTING on useful idiots to rush to defend all things Muslim (as if All things Muslim are under attack) to ensure they can continue to do what they do unabated.

These "useful idiots" do keep popping up, don't they?

There have been tests done on them and apparently they are no more in control of their opinions than they are the colour of their eyes. They were just born that way.
 
Thanks for your opinion. You are entitled to yours, as am I. While I am sure your opinion is highly relevant to you, your opinion is irrelevant to me. I do not sanction any religion. My point was of all organized religions Muslims are the kookiest. I would call myself an atheist, but all that means in the U.S. currently is anti-Christian.

Oh please, I am an Atheist too, that doesn't mean I view all religion as being evil and insane.

As for "kookiest" religion, as someone raised semi-Mormon, I can tell you firsthand that Mormonism is way crazier than Islam. According to our holy book, skin color is due to the amount of sin someone is born with. Plus, the entire thing was founded by a renown con-artist as a way to scam people into paying him money.

And don't even get me started on the religion that believes negative emotions are the souls of aliens flown to earth in golden airplanes.
 
you still see no hypocrisy in calling the innocent muslim community to task for the terrorists who share their faith while finding it reasonable to not do the same to address the terrorists found within the Christian community or the terrorists within the catholic community
Other than a far left talking point, the hearing had no hypocrisy and there was no wrong done to the "innocent muslim community".

simply declare your position correct and mine wrong without offering any figment of a defense of your own stance or one which stands in opposition to mine
I don't have to claim right and wrong, I simply claim your view invalid and fiction.

but then, it's not as if those of your political persuasion are inclined to base belief on things like fact and evidence, much less principle and logic
I wish you would provide even a HINT of either fact/evidence/priciple/logic. Let me know when you do.

I've debunked your comparison, shown it invalid and a red herring, criticized your injection of race where it is also invalid. Ya got nothin'. Moving on.
 
These "useful idiots" do keep popping up, don't they?

There have been tests done on them and apparently they are no more in control of their opinions than they are the colour of their eyes. They were just born that way.

Hmmm. Well...ignorance appears to be a choice in some. Others...sure...I can accept they are born that way. But nah...more's the pity...I think in far too many its deliberate.

I dont about others. I saw a good portion of the hearing. I didnt just view parts that were convenient to my viewpoint. No one was attacking 'Muslims.' Muslims were complimented on numerous occasions. The problem is not Muslims...never has been. The problem is extremists. ALWAYS has been.
 
Hmmm. Well...ignorance appears to be a choice in some. Others...sure...I can accept they are born that way. But nah...more's the pity...I think in far too many its deliberate.

I dont about others. I saw a good portion of the hearing. I didnt just view parts that were convenient to my viewpoint. No one was attacking 'Muslims.' Muslims were complimented on numerous occasions. The problem is not Muslims...never has been. The problem is extremists. ALWAYS has been.

I agree absolutely.

I wasn't kidding about people having little control over their beliefs, by the way. I googled a quick search but couldn't find anything. Just as many emotions are now being isolated, so it is with the part of the brain that determines how we will think and what are opinions might be, depending on one particular part of the brain and how large it is. I believe it was also part of a series on PBS.
 
depending on one particular part of the brain and how large it is.

Or the part of the brain with the most activity. The slice of brain I saw showed black lines radiating from several different points. Some with more lines than others.

That suggested to me that each black line represented the number of times an important event was revisited with our thoughts, and the level of importance was measured by the number of black lines.

ricksfolly
 
Or the part of the brain with the most activity. The slice of brain I saw showed black lines radiating from several different points. Some with more lines than others.

That suggested to me that each black line represented the number of times an important event was revisited with our thoughts, and the level of importance was measured by the number of black lines.

ricksfolly

Right, Ric! I think that might have been the program I saw most recently, though I have read about it in the past.

Thanks for your response because it sounds a little strange if you've never heard of it.
 
no.clearly, you are unable to rebut the points i made

i distinguished between a hearing about the KKK's terrorism and a hearing about moslems who have done nothing wrong. you failed to apprehend the distinction. no surprise [/sarcasm]


please. let's do


any observer who watched the hearings knows what they were actually about, no matter how much that IRA terrorist supporting congressman pretends otherwise. it was a public demonization of a religion. as with many reich wing matters, one must examine the real actions instead of the misleading descriptive words. the words are only there to deceive the gullible who choose not to examine the actions


i understand your opposition to my comparison, where it is noteworthy that white Christians - those not affiliated with white supremacists - were not similarly summoned to appear before the congress to explain why members of their Christian religion engage in racial terrorism
that direct comparison undermines your argument. continue to whine about it as that tells me you are pissed off at losing the debate


the congress should be investigating terrorism
but it instead diverts its time and resources to pursue a divisive, partisan, destructive attack on innocent members of the islamic faith
congress has no reason to summon before it innocent practitioners of the islamic religion to have them explain why they tolerate those who practice the same faith. that is like asking you why you tolerate the pedophiles who practice your religious beliefs, despite your not having any knowledge of those perverts or their actions


sadly, osama bin forgotten is the George Washington of the disenfranchised moslem world. when, by our nation's actions, we give credibility to his pronouncements against us, his fatwas, we assist his ability to recruit more prospective terrorists. if this were only theatre

I can see you didn't watch it. :(
 
These hearings are a tremendous success for all the racists, xenophobes and bigots in this country. The rest of us should not be celebrating.

Witch hunts are always wrong regardless of who the hunted is. In this instance all that was accomplished was to incite more people to hate America which is sort of ironic....
 
Witch hunts are always wrong regardless of who the hunted is. In this instance all that was accomplished was to incite more people to hate America which is sort of ironic....

Who are these people and what evidence do you have for this claim, Jakiejakester?
 
Witch hunts are always wrong regardless of who the hunted is. In this instance all that was accomplished was to incite more people to hate America which is sort of ironic....


Are you speaking of liberals inside the country, or our enemies outside the country that really don't need reasons, just excuses?


j-mac
 
Are you speaking of liberals inside the country, or our enemies outside the country that really don't need reasons, just excuses?


j-mac

I suppose the point is not whether what is being said is true or not but whether the poster believes it to be true.

And that's not unusual. There are many who post opinions based on their beliefs and discard any evidence which doesn't support their beliefs.
 
I suppose the point is not whether what is being said is true or not but whether the poster believes it to be true.

And that's not unusual. There are many who post opinions based on their beliefs and discard any evidence which doesn't support their beliefs.


Agreed, I think we all do that from time to time....Far too much common sense has been taken out of supposed 'critical thinking' skills that the education system is supposed to instill today, and been replaced by ideological dogma, and hyperbolic rhetoric. All in the hopes of maintaining GPA, and being in the 'in cliche'....


j-mac
 
Agreed, I think we all do that from time to time....Far too much common sense has been taken out of supposed 'critical thinking' skills that the education system is supposed to instill today, and been replaced by ideological dogma, and hyperbolic rhetoric. All in the hopes of maintaining GPA, and being in the 'in cliche'....

j-mac

Like you who ignored several posters who gave you information that you didn't want to acknowledge as valid because you thought it was proposed by a liberal (when it in fact turned out to be a conservative).

Yes, yes Pape was mentioned earlier....So one liberal prof from Chicago says this and you instantly fall for it as gospel? whew, talk about easily led.

You're assumption that other people ignore or accept information solely based on 'ideological dogma' is based on a projection of your own state of mind onto other people.
 
Like you who ignored several posters who gave you information that you didn't want to acknowledge as valid because you thought it was proposed by a liberal (when it in fact turned out to be a conservative).



You're assumption that other people ignore or accept information solely based on 'ideological dogma' is based on a projection of your own state of mind onto other people.


Here, let me show you something.....

My quote,
ME said:
Agreed, I think we all do that from time to time....Far too much common sense has been taken out of supposed 'critical thinking' skills that the education system is supposed to instill today, and been replaced by ideological dogma, and hyperbolic rhetoric. All in the hopes of maintaining GPA, and being in the 'in cliche'....

j-mac

Maybe you missed this part.....Or you only read what you wish to read in order to be contrarian...I don't know which.

j-mac
 
Here, let me show you something.....

My quote,

Maybe you missed this part.....Or you only read what you wish to read in order to be contrarian...I don't know which.

j-mac

No I saw that part. The problem is, it's not "we".
 
Are you saying you never have done that? Ever?

j-mac

I tend not to discount things unless there is a blatant bias...from either side. I like facts.
 
Are you speaking of liberals inside the country, or our enemies outside the country that really don't need reasons, just excuses?


j-mac

Suggesting that American Liberals hate America is pointless, untrue and meant to incite people in this Forum. Liberals do not hate America and this thread is not about Liberals hating America. It's about Peter King trying to stir up hatred for Muslims through fear tactics.

Where I'm coming from we do not judge entire groups with intentional broad strokes that accomplish nothing more than to polarize people which is sort of what you were doing by suggesting that Liberals hate America. It seems like you and Peter King are trying to use the same hate filled argument to appeal to those who get off on hating.
 
Suggesting that American Liberals hate America is pointless, untrue and meant to incite people in this Forum. Liberals do not hate America and this thread is not about Liberals hating America. It's about Peter King trying to stir up hatred for Muslims through fear tactics.

Where I'm coming from we do not judge entire groups with intentional broad strokes that accomplish nothing more than to polarize people which is sort of what you were doing by suggesting that Liberals hate America. It seems like you and Peter King are trying to use the same hate filled argument to appeal to those who get off on hating.

Please show something during the hearings that stirred up any hate. Personally, I came away with a more favorable opinion of Muslims and their religion.
I did come away with a less favorable (if that's possible) opinion of two Dem. Texans, Sheila Jackson and Al Green.
 
Suggesting that American Liberals hate America is pointless, untrue and meant to incite people in this Forum. Liberals do not hate America and this thread is not about Liberals hating America. It's about Peter King trying to stir up hatred for Muslims through fear tactics.

Where I'm coming from we do not judge entire groups with intentional broad strokes that accomplish nothing more than to polarize people which is sort of what you were doing by suggesting that Liberals hate America. It seems like you and Peter King are trying to use the same hate filled argument to appeal to those who get off on hating.

Horse****. You did that very thing about 10 posts ago when you stated that anyone that thinks identifying the reality of radicals using Islam to recruit is nothing more than a bigot who hates Muslims. The fact is that the intent of the hearing had nothing to do with condemning Muslims or Islam but rather addressed the very real problem of extremists USING Islam to recruit.

Nah...you dont 'judge' people...
 
then you could not be opposed to a congressional inquiry about the jewish government of israel and the terrorism it projects. you will soon be reminded of your above quote in another forum area

It's interesting how often you try to turn things around to accuse those pesky Joos of terrorism.

Where are these imaginary Joo terrorist groups, and who are they killing?
 
Please show something during the hearings that stirred up any hate. Personally, I came away with a more favorable opinion of Muslims and their religion.
I did come away with a less favorable (if that's possible) opinion of two Dem. Texans, Sheila Jackson and Al Green.
Perhaps Rep. King can next hold hearings on how Italians are all secretly conspiring in one giant organized crime syndicate or how all British dentists are conspiring to drive up the cost of dentistry or how all Gay people are conspiring to turn everyone in America Gay?

My point is that there was absolutley no reason at all to hold hearings on this subject and that the root cause for convening the hearings was to make people wonder about Muslims loyalty to America in the same way that Sen. McCarthy held hearings to judge Americans in the 50s loyalty to America.
 
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