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Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

Jetboogieman said:
I'm not saying it's the only determining factor.

But it certainly doesn't help in countries that don't have the ability to educate all of their kids...

What I'm trying to show you, is that the fact that they're muslim is not the only determining factor in becoming a terrorist.
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Whose fault is that?
 
Barbbtx said:
What they want to do is prevent the radicalization. Then there would be no need for the government to "catch" them at all.
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I get that, but you can't completely prevent fringe members in religion, politics or really any other group. I understand that some prevention can be done and that it's necessary (we both agree on that). My problem is, I have yet to see any evidence that the type of prevention/outreach that Muslim communities are supposed to do isn't already happening simply by the fact that they speak out against radical Islam constantly. There will always be members that the government needs to catch.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I'm not saying it's the only determining factor.

But it certainly doesn't help in countries that don't have the ability to educate all of their kids...

What I'm trying to show you, is that the fact that they're muslim is not the only determining factor in becoming a terrorist.
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It may not be the only determining factor, but it is the one being exploited by our enemies now. To fail to address the radical Muslim threat in today's world, is to bury your head in the sand IMHO.

j-mac
 
apdst said:
Whose fault is that?
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It's not necessarily about fault, but it just is what it is. Not everyone can be rich, not all countries will provide protections for their people, and not all people have the opportunity to change their destiny. What burns me is 1,000 years ago the Middle East and it's people were so much better off - they were into sciences, astrology, astronomy, mathmatics, language and arts. I still think they have the opportunity to make themselves better but I'm not sure why it is at the macro level they don't.
 
theplaydrive said:
I get that, but you can't completely prevent fringe members in religion, politics or really any other group. I understand that some prevention can be done and that it's necessary (we both agree on that). My problem is, I have yet to see any evidence that the type of prevention/outreach that Muslim communities are supposed to do isn't already happening simply by the fact that they speak out against radical Islam constantly. There will always be members that the government needs to catch.
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Perhaps you cannot "completely prevent" young people of any group from doing terrible things but we can certainly try, and holding an inquiry into the problem is often the first step. That anyone would be offended that the question even be raised only demonstrates that too many of these protesters are not serious people.

They do not "speak out against radical Islam constantly". In fact many who do are having their lives threatened and must live under constant guard.
 
Ockham said:
It's not necessarily about fault, but it just is what it is. Not everyone can be rich, not all countries will provide protections for their people, and not all people have the opportunity to change their destiny. What burns me is 1,000 years ago the Middle East and it's people were so much better off - they were into sciences, astrology, astronomy, mathmatics, language and arts. I still think they have the opportunity to make themselves better but I'm not sure why it is at the macro level they don't.
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Freedom as opposed to subjugation, both in economics, and religion.


j-mac
 
Grant said:
Perhaps you cannot "completely prevent" young people of any group from doing terrible things but we can certainly try, and holding an inquiry into the problem is often the first step. That anyone would be offended that the question even be raised only demonstrates that too many of these protesters are not serious people.

They do not "speak out against radical Islam constantly". In fact many who do are having their lives threatened and must live under constant guard.
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I agree with should try. I really do. I don't want another attack, particularly a homegrown one. They do speak out about it a lot, whenever a radical American Muslim is found in the U.S. many organizations immediately condemn.

Although I wouldn't blame if they stopped speaking out, it's falling on deaf ears and making them more of a target by people who burn their Korans.
 
Marshabar said:
Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans - latimes.com

Well I hope this article meets the guidelines. I'm not sure why a bonafide newspaper feels the need to wrap the word radicalization in quotation marks. :roll:

I watched the whole hearing and found it very enlightening. The Democrats to a man made fools of themselves as far as I'm concerned. They are complete slaves to the idiocy of political correctness. I am convinced that if they were captured and tortured by an "Islamist" as they are now calling Islamofascist jihadis they would apologize for not holding still.

NOTE: Moderator edit to reduce quoted text to what is permissible under Breaking News/Fair Use guidelines.
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'Success' as in Salem witch trials got the devil out of Mass.??

That kind of success?
 
theplaydrive said:
I agree with should try. I really do. I don't want another attack, particularly a homegrown one. They do speak out about it a lot, whenever a radical American Muslim is found in the U.S. many organizations immediately condemn.

Although I wouldn't blame if they stopped speaking out, it's falling on deaf ears and making them more of a target by people who burn their Korans.
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Oh puhleeze! Cut the demonizing would ya? I haven't seen any outbreaks of anti Muslim violence here.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Oh puhleeze! Cut the demonizing would ya? I haven't seen any outbreaks of anti Muslim violence here.


j-mac
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Well as the saying goes, "if I don't see it, then it doesn't exist"...oh wait.
 
j-mac said:
Oh puhleeze! Cut the demonizing would ya? I haven't seen any outbreaks of anti Muslim violence here.


j-mac
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Yeah, I guess on Fox news they avoid those stories.

Only, they happen every day... Seems to me, people were protesting a rec center in lower Manhattan. God forbid those Muslims get their hands on basketballs...:roll::roll:
 
theplaydrive said:
I agree with should try. I really do. I don't want another attack, particularly a homegrown one. They do speak out about it a lot, whenever a radical American Muslim is found in the U.S. many organizations immediately condemn.

Although I wouldn't blame if they stopped speaking out, it's falling on deaf ears and making them more of a target by people who burn their Korans.
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No, it is not falling on deaf ears. I welcome any Muslims who speak out against Islamic violence being preached in their Mosques or taught in their schools. But, as mentioned, they are at risk in speaking out.

How many people are burning Korans? And so what if they did? Isn't it about time these people quit getting so offended at every little thing and manned up?
 
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hazlnut said:
Yeah, I guess on Fox news they avoid those stories.

Only, they happen every day... Seems to me, people were protesting a rec center in lower Manhattan. God forbid those Muslims get their hands on basketballs...:roll::roll:
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Protesting a rec center? Got any link to that?
 
hazlnut said:
Yeah, I guess on Fox news they avoid those stories.

Only, they happen every day... Seems to me, people were protesting a rec center in lower Manhattan. God forbid those Muslims get their hands on basketballs...:roll::roll:
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Oh I see, so a protest is only legitimate when you agree with the protest, is that right? How many Muslims were attacked during those protests?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Oh I see, so a protest is only legitimate when you agree with the protest, is that right? How many Muslims were attacked during those protests?


j-mac
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Let's not forget that he also accused these protesters as being violent and that sort of thing happens every day.

If he watched Fox News he'd know a helluva lot more than he does at the moment.
 
Grant said:
No, it is not falling on deaf ears. I welcome any Muslims who speak out against Islamic violence being preached in their Mosques or taught in their schools. But, as mentioned, they are at risk in speaking out.

How many people are burning Korans? And so what if they did? Isn't it about time these people quit getting so offended at every little thing and manned up?
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I'm finished.
 
Grant said:
Protesting a rec center? Got any link to that?
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I believe the bigots and xenophobes dubbed it the 'Ground Zero Mosque'. Perhaps you were out of the country when Fox News was scaring viewers with that boogey man. They've moved on to NPR now.
 
j-mac said:
Oh I see, so a protest is only legitimate when you agree with the protest, is that right? How many Muslims were attacked during those protests?
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I would say a protest is legitimate when those involved have a grasp on the facts and reality. Otherwise, it's just impotent rage. Case in point--fear and paranoia drummed up by right-wing media only succeeds in dividing people.
 
hazlnut said:
I believe the bigots and xenophobes dubbed it the 'Ground Zero Mosque'. Perhaps you were out of the country when Fox News was scaring viewers with that boogey man. They've moved on to NPR now.
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So why did you say they were protesting a rec center when you knew that to be untrue? Didn't your folks tell you it was a sin to tell a lie?
 
Barbbtx said:
Why? .....
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My guess is that the Left has so aligned themselves with Islam that they believe, like its more radical followers, that it should never be scrutinized, criticized, or otherwise questioned in any way but instead should be kept holy. They will turn against their countrymen, their politicians, their neighbours, and anyone who dares question Islam and its links to terrorism, children and women's rights, and so on.

I mentioned the Koran only to see what his defense might be, and he responded as much as any devout Christian might respond to the PissChrst photos. Of course Christians are more willing to defend and reason out their objections. The Left, like many Muslims, are far, far too easily offended when their religion is held up to question, and often react irrationally.
 
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