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Muslim 'radicalization' hearing a success, say Rep. Peter King, Republicans

The majority of Muslims know what Islam is. They can't be responsible for people that go awry just like Christians can be responsible for every person who kills a doctor that provides abortion or who want so kill gay people. For regular Muslims, their knowledge and practice of Islam is enough to not behave violently just as it is for Christians.
I'm not asking for them to be responsible, I'm asking for them to take reasonable actions to prevent a Buffalo 2002 and a Buffalo 2011.

I think you're expecting more than is possible to give. These people's lives can't be dominated by trying to prevent people who they have nothing in common with but the name of their religion.
I'm not asking for it to be dominated - how about 3 hours a month? How about the uptown Mosque talks to a downtown Mosque and the Imam's have coffee or tea once in a while? There's nothing in the Qur'an that prevents such a thing. If moderation is what people of all religions are all about, I don't see this as unreasonable. If it's not happening now, it should.

What is it about?
It's about not letting extremists hijack a religion and it's about peaceful people standing up for what they believe.
 
I have not followed this hearing well enough to know if that's the case, but while you are probably right it doesn't increase or decrease the number of radicals, the problem some apparently have with it is their sorrow it might fuel the sentiments of those who indiscriminately blame Muslims in general, and thus will result in more discrimination and ostracism of Muslims, including those who aren't radical.

Personally, I believe we should be aware of our responsibility in these regards when we debate the problem. We should be careful to avoid broad-brush generalizations and make sure we don't fuel sentiments that will result in the discrimination of non-radical Muslims. No idea if this hearing was executed in a sufficiently responsible manner.

Here you go. Please take the time to at least listen to the witnesses, Biedso, Bihi, Baca, and Jasser so you can judge for yourself.
Some Dems were also there demonizing the hearings like some on this thread. However, I think to make an informed opinion they should at least know what went on.

They made it easy. You can just click on the speakers you want to hear. No need to sit through the more than 3 hrs like a couple of us did.

Radicalization in the U.S. Muslim Community, Organizations Panel - C-SPAN Video Library
 
It could be outreach, it could be a summit of discussion within the Muslim community only, with both Sunni and Shia. It could be a committment to not identify with radicals and to advise those who exhibit violent behaviors. You know, small things from that Imams and mosques have the ability to control and take action upon.


I'm not calling for marches, I'm calling for reasonable actions taken within the Muslim community, and I'm asking of any actions like these were taken and if they were public.

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Bihi (witness at the hearings) has been doing outreach. Hopefully it will spread.
Radicalization in the U.S. Muslim Community, Organizations Panel - C-SPAN Video Library
How did jamal bana end up going from minneapolis to somalia to get murdered?
Another Somali-American killed waging jihad in Somalia

Spokesman: Third American Killed In Somalia
Another Minnesota man recruited to join an Al Qaeda-linked group in Somalia has been killed in the war-torn African country, according to a spokesman for the man’s family. Family members of 20-year-old Jamal Bana found photos of his bloody body online, according to Abdirizak Bihi, who has represented many of the families whose loved ones left the Minneapolis area last year to join al-Shabaab, which has been warring with the moderate Somali government since 2006.The FBI has been looking into how more than 20 young, Somali-American men from the Twin Cities and elsewhere were recruited to train and possibly fight alongside al-Shabaab.Like many families of men who left unannounced for Somalia, Bana’s mother had been regularly searching the Internet for any information about her son in Somalia, according to Bihi.
 
But why should they take actions when they know that they are not to blame. That would be exhausting and in many ways, counterproductive, because many Muslims have come out against it and it still isn't enough. It wouldn't make sense for all whites to continually come out against the Aryan Brotherhood, all blacks to come out against the Bloods, etc.

The information about Islam and its members is available for everyone to see. Why is not the responsibility of those who are concerned about Muslims to go and find that information and calm their own fears?

Jasser, ( Muslim witness at the hearings) disagrees with you. He says Muslims are the only ones who can solve the problem of youth being radicalized in America.
 
Bihi (witness at the hearings) has been doing outreach. Hopefully it will spread.
Radicalization in the U.S. Muslim Community, Organizations Panel - C-SPAN Video Library
How did jamal bana end up going from minneapolis to somalia to get murdered?
Another Somali-American killed waging jihad in Somalia

Spokesman: Third American Killed In Somalia
Another Minnesota man recruited to join an Al Qaeda-linked group in Somalia has been killed in the war-torn African country, according to a spokesman for the man’s family. Family members of 20-year-old Jamal Bana found photos of his bloody body online, according to Abdirizak Bihi, who has represented many of the families whose loved ones left the Minneapolis area last year to join al-Shabaab, which has been warring with the moderate Somali government since 2006.The FBI has been looking into how more than 20 young, Somali-American men from the Twin Cities and elsewhere were recruited to train and possibly fight alongside al-Shabaab.Like many families of men who left unannounced for Somalia, Bana’s mother had been regularly searching the Internet for any information about her son in Somalia, according to Bihi.

Exactly. Good info and I think this is a good thing and reasonable.
 
Jasser, ( Muslim witness at the hearings) disagrees with you. He says Muslims are the only ones who can solve the problem of youth being radicalized in America.

I disagree with Jasser. That's like saying Christians are the only people who can stop radical Christians from murdering doctors who perform abortions. Every group has fringe members, the government is doing it's best to catch them early enough.
 
I disagree with Jasser. That's like saying Christians are the only people who can stop radical Christians from murdering doctors who perform abortions. Every group has fringe members, the government is doing it's best to catch them early enough.

Any idea on how many abortionists have been murdered by Christian terrorists and how many people have been murdered by Islamic terrorists?
 
Any idea on how many abortionists have been murdered by Christian terrorists and how many people have been murdered by Islamic terrorists?

One has to look at the Geopolitical situation to see why this occurs.

Again the causation is not with Islam.

Western World - Well off
Middle East - Not Well off and really, really pissed off.
 
One has to look at the Geopolitical situation to see why this occurs.

Again the causation is not with Islam.

Western World - Well off
Middle East - Not Well off and really, really pissed off.

So (some) Muslims are bombing us because we are better off and they are jealous? Or believe their incomes and educational levels will rise if they kill innocent people?

Do you have any evidence to support this theory of yours?
 
Any idea on how many abortionists have been murdered by Christian terrorists and how many people have been murdered by Islamic terrorists?

You taking my quote of context and starting a different argument. We were talking about whether moderate Muslims can deter other Muslims from beings terrorists, your question has no bearing on that discussion. Please stick to the topic.
 
One has to look at the Geopolitical situation to see why this occurs.

Again the causation is not with Islam.

Western World - Well off
Middle East - Not Well off and really, really pissed off.

Does everything have to circle its way to redistribution of wealth with you liberals? Come on Jet.


j-mac
 
Does everything have to circle its way to redistribution of wealth with you liberals? Come on Jet.


j-mac

So (some) Muslims are bombing us because we are better off and they are jealous? Or believe their incomes and educational levels will rise if they kill innocent people?

Do you have any evidence to support this theory of yours?

Jesus you two.

Poorer Countries are more susceptable to extremism and violence simply because of their situation.

Look at Africa...
 
One has to look at the Geopolitical situation to see why this occurs.

Again the causation is not with Islam.

Western World - Well off
Middle East - Not Well off and really, really pissed off.

The real problem, is that until they realize that they're never going to get anywhere with all the Islamic extremism, they'll never be well off. They've been doing this crap for 30 odd years, now and where has it gotten them? Until they stop and make a serious attempt to answer that question, they're going to be pissed off forever.
 
You taking my quote of context and starting a different argument. We were talking about whether moderate Muslims can deter other Muslims from beings terrorists, your question has no bearing on that discussion. Please stick to the topic.

I responded directly to your statements! If they are not part of the topic then why did you enter them here?
 
Jesus you two.

Poorer Countries are more susceptable to extremism and violence simply because of their situation.

Look at Africa...

That's the biggest cop out in the history of mankind.
 
Jesus you two.

Poorer Countries are more susceptable to extremism and violence simply because of their situation.

Look at Africa...

And why are these countries poorer? Can you address that?


j-mac
 
I'm not saying it's the only determining factor.

But it certainly doesn't help in countries that don't have the ability to educate all of their kids...

What I'm trying to show you, is that the fact that they're muslim is not the only determining factor in becoming a terrorist.
 
I disagree with Jasser. That's like saying Christians are the only people who can stop radical Christians from murdering doctors who perform abortions. Every group has fringe members, the government is doing it's best to catch them early enough.

If someone is thinking about killing an abortion doctor, perhaps the ones to possibly prevent it would be a right to life org. I would certainly hope they would if they noticed a member who seemed "off". However, I think for the most part these guys are lone wolves. Did they even go to church? Were they involved in any pro-life groups?
 
Jesus you two.

Poorer Countries are more susceptable to extremism and violence simply because of their situation.

Look at Africa...

"Their situation" would certainly have to include a lack of education, tribalism, corruption, and religion.

If they are pissed I beleve the Western World, who has been sending aid to these people for decades, with only terrorism in return, should be doubly pissed.
 
I'm not saying it's the only determining factor.

But it certainly doesn't help in countries that don't have the ability to educate all of their kids...

What I'm trying to show you, is that the fact that they're muslim is not the only determining factor in becoming a terrorist.

It certainly doesn't seem to be a deterrent though.
 
I responded directly to your statements! If they are not part of the topic then why did you enter them here?

The amount of people killed by radical Muslims vs. radical Christians is irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not moderate Muslims are able to prevent people from becoming radical Muslims. It doesn't matter many people Muslim terrorists have killed because moderate Muslims bear no responsibility or even ability to control them.

And Jetboogieman is right, poorer countries are more susceptable to extremism and violence much in the same way that crime exists more in poor neighborhoods of the U.S.

edit: I do apologize if I misunderstood your intent in asking me the question. My brash response wasn't necessary if that's the case.
 
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I disagree with Jasser. That's like saying Christians are the only people who can stop radical Christians from murdering doctors who perform abortions. Every group has fringe members, the government is doing it's best to catch them early enough .


What they want to do is prevent the radicalization. Then there would be no need for the government to "catch" them at all.
 
One has to look at the Geopolitical situation to see why this occurs.

Again the causation is not with Islam.

Western World - Well off
Middle East - Not Well off and really, really pissed off.

That doesn't explain the radicalization of American youth, which was what the hearings were about.
 
The amount of people killed by radical Muslims vs. radical Christians is irrelevant to the discussion

It becomes relevant when posters try to compare Christian terrorists with Islamic terrorists. You should discourage that comparison whenever you can if you would attempt to defend Muslims.
It doesn't matter many people Muslim terrorists have killed because moderate Muslims bear no responsibility or even ability to control them.

Yes, they do. Too many of they remain silent in the face of Islamic terrorism or they, and their cohorts on the far Left, complain of "Islamophobia" when people do complain, or inquire as to just what's going on in the Muslim communities.

And Jetboogieman is right, poorer countries are more susceptable to extremism and violence much in the same way that crime exists more in poor neighborhoods of the U.S.

If they are extreme or violent then they will be met with extreme violence and have no cause to complain.. And if they get so upset at some questions being asked then these people are not ready for adulthood either.

edit: I do apologize if I misunderstood your intent in asking me the question. My brash response wasn't necessary if that's the case.

No need to apologize, but thanks anyway. You give it your best shot and I''ll give it mine.
 
Jesus you two.

Poorer Countries are more susceptable to extremism and violence simply because of their situation.

Look at Africa...

The would be underwear Xmas bomber was anything but poor.
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Abdulmutallab is the youngest of the 16 children[4] of Alhaji Umaru Mutallab, one of the richest men in Africa and the prominent former Chairman of First Bank of Nigeria and former Nigerian Federal Commissioner for Economic Development.[4][5][6] His Nigerian mother, Aisha, is the second of his father's two wives.[7]
 
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