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France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

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France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

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AP - Libya’s opposition battled for military and diplomatic advantage against Moammar Gadhafi’s embattled regime on Thursday, winning official recognition from France and hitting government forces with heavy weapons on the road to the capital.

France became the first country to formally recognize the rebels’ newly created Interim Governing Council, saying it planned to exchange ambassadors after President Nicolas Sarkozy met with two representatives of the group based in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi.

The international Red Cross said dozens of civilians have been wounded or killed in recent days in grueling battles between Gadhafi’s army and the opposition movement trying to oust him.

The fighting intensified on the main front line between the Mediterranean oil port of Ras Lanouf and the city of Bin Jawwad, where the rebels appeared to be have established better supply lines bringing heavy weapons like multiple-rocket launcher trucks and small tanks to the battle.
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Obama could take a lesson here.
 
We don't know who the opposition is, whether or not they're unified (which they most likely are not, except maybe in their shared hate for Gadaffi), who the leaders are, what they represent, how many different factions there are and what they're all fighting for, etc. To recognize anyone's authority at this point is premature. The opposition could consist of equal parts liberal youths, secularists, democrats, and Muslim brotherhood. We don't know who they are. It is simply too early to tell.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Obama could take a lesson here.
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surprised to see that you take your guidance in things military from the french

i can only hope that Obama does not follow your lead
 
justabubba said:
surprised to see that you take your guidance in things military from the french
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I'm not like you, I think openly, and when I see something I agree with, I support it. You as an ideologue, well you have your "sides"


i can only hope that Obama does not follow your lead
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why not? What is wrong with frances response? Seems they took the leadership role sorely lacking in this situation. I applaud France for stepping up to the plate.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Obama could take a lesson here.
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Amen....

Col. Ralph Peters said last night that Obama loves the idea of being President, but he can't make a decision. He was 100% correct. He is still voting "present" like he has his entire life. He left health care reform up to Pelosi and Reid and they made a mess of it. He refuses to take charge.

Obama reminds me of General McClelland during the Civil War. McClelland love making grandioise plans and loved being general-in-chief, but he was indecisive. He refused to attack and take charge. Lincoln finally had enough and fired him, then hired Grant who wasn't big on planning or discipline, but he sure knew how to attack the enemy. It's time to fire Obama.
 
danarhea said:
Crap, you beat me to it. LOL.
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Tucker nabbed post of the day, no doubt. Lol

Good for Sarkozy. Hard to believe it took France to step up.
 
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Al Qaeda's first argument against the U.S. is that it supports the tyrannies of the Arab world as they oppress their people.

Now the U.S. has the opportunity to break the dysfunctional dynamic that produces anti-American hatred and violence.
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a reality that too many Americans seem not to understand ... or avoid recognizing
Giving arms, food, logistical help, intelligence and other such tools to the Libyan opposition would boost its strength and give it staying power.
Once Gaddafi realizes that he is up against an endless supply of arms and ammunition, he will surely recalibrate his decisions.
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... The best way to prevent al-Qaeda from turning Libya into an area of strength would be to have the fighting end — with Gaddafi's defeat. So let's help the Libyan opposition do it.
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The Libyan Conundrum - TIME
the above recommendations are much better than doing nothing more than the french recognition of the rebel forces
 
Sarkozy's just miffed that Gadaffi and Berlusconi didn't invite him to the poon party.

Seriously, this is premature. The way things are going Gadaffi's going to be back in control of the whole country within a fortnight. Then what is France going to do?
 
Tucker Case said:
I think this is just a preemptive surrender.
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I was going to ask if France surrendered first.

I do think it is a good thing but only if they step up and help get rid of the tyrant by arming the good guys. Only who are the good guys? I'm not real clear on who they are yet, or what they stand for. So far all we know is the want the bad guy out.
 
Andalublue said:
Sarkozy's just miffed that Gadaffi and Berlusconi didn't invite him to the poon party.

Seriously, this is premature. The way things are going Gadaffi's going to be back in control of the whole country within a fortnight. Then what is France going to do?
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The same thing all of europe will do, look to the US..... However, we have Obama, so I don't think its going to work out this time.
 
Andalublue said:
Sarkozy's just miffed that Gadaffi and Berlusconi didn't invite him to the poon party.

Seriously, this is premature. The way things are going Gadaffi's going to be back in control of the whole country within a fortnight. Then what is France going to do?
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I said a week ago Libya would suppress the rebellion. I dont think we should be involved. I think that should have been our very clearly stated message from the beginning...not...well...we'll...we'll just have to wait and see...what happens...and well...whichever side wins...well...we will...support...sort of...

I know Obama is in a damned if you do/dont position. The smart play was to decisively decide not to decide and to publicly call on the UN and Europe/Africa/OPEC/ and the Arab states to engage and vow to support them to the same level they have supported us in the past.
 
Wow, never thought I would see this........

French President Nicolas Sarkozy will propose air strikes on Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's command headquarters to EU leaders, a source close to discussions has told AFP.

At an EU summit on the Libyan crisis, he will propose "striking an extremely limited number of points which are the source of the most deadly operations" by forces loyal to Gaddafi, the source, who asked not to be named, said on Thursday.
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and meanwhile, back at the home front.........

WASHINGTON, March 10 (Reuters) - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton underscored on Thursday the need for international consensus on the next steps on Libya, saying any unilateral U.S. move could have unforeseeable consequences.

Clinton also expressed deep doubts about proposals to set up a "no-fly" zone over Libya, saying previous no-fly zones set up over Iraq and Serbia had had little effect.
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Did I go to sleep and wake up in reverse world ??
 
Obama is being intelligent.
The Government is slowing pushing out the rebels. They may not last.

If Gaddafi survives. France and UK have lost all economic ties. Spain isn't looking too good.

US is fine being neutral.
 
Laila said:
Obama is being intelligent.
The Government is slowing pushing out the rebels. They may not last.

If Gaddafi survives. France and UK have lost all economic ties. Spain isn't looking too good.

US is fine being neutral.
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UK hasn't supported the rebels yet. Nor Spain, and France is the only one to recognise the rebels' state.
 
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Laila said:
Obama is being intelligent.
The Government is slowing pushing out the rebels. They may not last.

If Gaddafi survives. France and UK have lost all economic ties. Spain isn't looking too good.

US is fine being neutral.
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We shouldn't have economic ties with that monster. We should ALL cut him off... France is making the right move on moral grounds if nothing else...
 
The White House moved quickly to distance itself from National Intelligence Director James Clapper’s controversial statements on Libya, China and Russia today – with a top Obama aide calling Clapper’s comments a “static” analysis.

Clapper, speaking to a congressional committee on Thursday, dropped jaws by asserting “over the longer term … the [Qadhafi] regime will prevail” – contradicting the carefully calibrated pro-Libyan rebel message Obama’s national security team was seeking to project.

Already off message, the nation’s top intelligence official went on to describe both China and Russia as “mortal [threats]” to American security – on the very day Vice President Joe Biden was meeting with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

National Security Adviser Tom Donilon said he still has confidence in Clapper – but he told reporters on a White House conference call that Clapper’s conclusion about the outcome in Libya was “a static and one-dimensional assessment.”

Administration analysts have “come to various conclusions about the various advantages that the Qadhafy regime has … and [what] opposition has.” The “multi-dimensional” view of the situation shows that pro-democracy rebels are still strong and worth courting as potential allies, Donilon told reporters on the call, which was intended to outline President Obama’s strategic vision in the region.

He also said that Clapper’s remarks before the Senate Intelligence Committee were intended to provide an unvarnished description of the current state of military affairs as the regime pushes a counterattack against rebels in key oil ports.
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White House distances itself from Clapper remarks - Glenn Thrush and MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

are you sure these people know what they're doing?

remember blair, mcchrystal, jones and his waterbugs?

embarrassing
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Obama could take a lesson here.
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I dunno, dude. We still don't know who these clowns are. I can appreciate the oppurtunity to get some payback for Flight 103, but we can't go off half-cocked supporting the next goofbal, anti-American, Islamofacist dictatorship of Libya.

Side note: is it Lib-ya, or Libby-uh?
 
apdst said:
I dunno, dude. We still don't know who these clowns are. I can appreciate the oppurtunity to get some payback for Flight 103, but we can't go off half-cocked supporting the next goofbal, anti-American, Islamofacist dictatorship of Libya.

Side note: is it Lib-ya, or Libby-uh?
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Wow...of all the people on this thread to even pay attention to what I have to say, much less agree...apdst, who woulda thunk it?
 
Obama could eat a hamburger and conservatives would still find a way to convince themselves how its a bad idea, shows lack of leadership, is un-American, etc.
apdst said:
I dunno, dude. We still don't know who these clowns are. I can appreciate the oppurtunity to get some payback for Flight 103, but we can't go off half-cocked supporting the next goofbal, anti-American, Islamofacist dictatorship of Libya.

Side note: is it Lib-ya, or Libby-uh?
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A frightening day indeed when apdst is the voice of reason in a thread.
 
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