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pbrauer said:
Are you so naive to think that there aren't people on both sides of the political spectrum that act badly? People are people, it's not confined to either side. I have yet to see why anyone would call the protestors in Madison as thugs - none of the evidence presented has shown any of this. I think it's disgusting that anyone who would call themselves American would paint such a broad brush. However there are some conservatives....
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What happened in Wisconsin was mob violence, show me that kind of activity with the tea party? There is plenty of evidence showing that if you did a little research so what are you afraid of. Google it, union thugs attack legislator. Look at the damage those people did to the capitol and look at the abuse reporters took from those thugs?
 
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Whovian said:
well, 'someone' had to bring some sanity to the thread.
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Haha, Now that is funny - you actually think you've brought some sanity to the thread?

When Cons reads the information provided for him, maybe he'll realize that his posts are dishonest and untrue - until then, he keeps posting the same lies over and over - that isn't sanity!
 
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pbrauer said:
troll......
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you have no legitimate response, so you become even more childish.

UNION THUGS Bully & Harass WI Tea Partiers – Rip Up Their Recall Petition (Video) | The Gateway Pundit
Union thugs threatened and harassed a group of tea party patriots yesterday in Merrill, Wisconsin.
The patriots were collecting names to recall Senator Holperin when a mob of union thugs harassed them and ripped up their petition.

The local tea party was originally going to hold their petition drive at an area restaurant.
But, the restaurant canceled after getting more than 50 threatening calls including threats to burn down their business.

Wisconsin tea party protesters were harassed, bullied and threatened by a mob of union thugs who showed up at their petition drive.
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“They circled around us, and they’re bullying us. They have a loud horn and they’re trying to intimidate people that would like to come and sign the petition,” said Kim Simac, recall leader, “I do think that this is an intimidation ploy.”

Simac says protestors even got involved with their petitions.

“We had a lady come up and write profanity and rip some of them right on our table…. so I guess that’s what democracy looks like to them.”
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****ing thugs... if someone can't or won't see that, they are simply not capable of rational thought.
 
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Vital Signs: Crowd chases Sen. Grothman around Capitol
Dozens of protesters, some shouting "Shame! Shame! Shame," chased Sen. Glenn Grothman, R-West Bend, around the Capitol Tuesday evening as he banged in vain on closed windows and locked entrances trying to get in...
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Boy if trouble 's a-brewin' it's sure that mertie is right in the middle of it. I wonder why the union leadership is so committed to that idea of 'card check". What's that all about anyway? I remember it was called the Employee Free Choice Act and Obama was for it so it must be bad for America. Oh now I remember. It was a way to certify a union shop for an employer by bypassing the actual voting process. Doesn't that sound suspicious, sort of un-American. Why would they want to do that by having the count for being the number of dues check-off authorization cards turned in? I mean that empowers the thugs in the union to put out the word to turn in your authorization cards for dues check-off or else. I think I figured it out. They want to divert a ton of money to demonRAT politicians to do the union bidding. That would have occurred in the public sector unions too. Now I see. The dues check-off is nothing more than a sort of money laundering of workers dues to buy corrupt politicians. Now I understand why Obama was for it.

Now it's no surprise that the WI Repubs wants to strip the public sector unions of power. Those union leaders are nothing but a bunch of thugs. No wonder they're busing in out-of-state union thugs to help raise Hell in WI. As goes WI, so goes the nation. That's what they fear.
 
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Conservative said:
Right but only if we can starve kids like my grandkids, pollute the air, and kill grandma.
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I'm sure this comment means something to you, but I can't figure it out. What is your point exactly? If there is a point.


Keep buying the liberal rhetoric that cannot be proven because that is what liberals do, distort and lie for their own personal gain.
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I'm not the one that has been posting lie after lie on this thread, even when information refuting it has been provided. Me thinks someone has gone off the deep end!
 
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mertex said:
I'm sure this comment means something to you, but I can't figure it out. What is your point exactly? If there is a point.



I'm not the one that has been posting lie after lie on this thread, even when information refuting it has been provided. Me thinks someone has gone off the deep end!
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Thought all liberals understood the liberal mantra that Republicans want to kill seniors, starve kids, and pollute the air. Your rants are ridiculous as usual. Calling me a liar doesn't do much for your argument either for what I see lie is not another word that you don't know the difference because you distort, divert, and are the one lying in most of your posts.
 
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Death Threats by the Dozens in Wisconsin - Deroy Murdock - National Review Online

We will hunt you down. We will slit your throats. We will drink your blood. I will have your decapitated head on a pike in the Madison town square. This is your last warning.”

Is this a passage from Bram Stoker’s Dracula? A snippet from al-Qaeda’s latest missive? No, this e-mail reached Wisconsin state senator Dan Kapanke (R., La Crosse) on March 9, after he voted for GOP governor Scott Walker’s controversial budget and labor reforms.
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“Across the whole Republican caucus, I think we have received at least a dozen, credible, specific death threats,”
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Wisconsin officials have identified the sender of two specific death threats e-mailed to 15 Republican state senators at 9:18 p.m. on March 10. They will not release the suspect’s name while their probe continues. However, these chilling (uncorrected) words now are on the record:

Subject line: Atten: Death threat!!!! Bomb!!!!

I want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we’ve had enough. We feel that you and your republican dictators have to die. This is how it’s going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it’s a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, this isn’t enough. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message. So we have built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent. This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won’t tell you all of them because that’s just no fun. Since we know that you are not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it’s necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families and themselves then We will “get rid of” (in which I mean kill) the 8 of you. Please understand that this does not include the heroic Senator that risked everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. The 8 includes the 7 senators and the dictator. We feel that it’s worth our lives becasue we would be saving the lives of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. Goodbye ASSHOLE!!!!

**** YOU ASSHOLE, I AM FORMALLY REQUESTING TO SEE THE 30,000 EMAILS YOU HAVE GOTTEN MAKING YOU COMPLY WITH THE OPEN RECORDS LAW. I ASSURE YOU THAT NONE OF THEM ARE IN SUPPORT OF YOU OR ANYTHING THAT YOU OR YOUR STAFF STAND FOR. YOUR STAFF MEMBERS HAVE NOW BEEN ADDED TO THE HIT LIST AS WELL AS THOSE OF THE OTHER SENATE MEMBERS WE HAVE THREATENED. PLEASE ADVISE THEM OF THE IMPENDING DANGER LEADING TO THIER DEATHS.
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“It’s not safe, I think, to be walking on the street and be a Republican in Madison right now. The hatred on the Left is just out of control,” GOP state senator Glenn Grothman told CNN on March 10. “I have never seen a lobbying group more angry,” Someone slipped a note under his office door. In red letters, it said: “THE ONLY GOOD Republican is a DEAD Republican.”
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The giant graffiti wall that is Twitter features numerous calls for Governor Walker’s murder, complete with egregious spelling and grammatical errors:

● Drew R. Hood (screen name DrewHood) wrote: “Walker must die. Write that 500 times fast.”

● Lamar Smith (Mough_Dough): “Dey need to gone head & kill Scott Walker. Im tired of hearing about this ****.”

● Lauren Kauffman (lauren_2121): “I hope scott walker dies. someone please shoot him?!”

● Josh Harmon (jritsynme): “Scott walker is destroying the state of Wisconsin!!! I wish a anvel would fall out of the sky and KILL the scumbag!!!”

● Jody on FishHawk (FishHawkRdJody): “GovWalker soon as we starve you, shove you in filthy shacks w/100 others & kill most of UR family THEN you can use holocaust. U vile cretin.”

● Jeconti (J-Shack): “Scott walker cut food stamps its over he getting assassinated..!”
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All perfectly reasonable, logical responses, right?No thuggery there, huh.

:rolleyes:
 
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Whovian said:
Vital Signs: Crowd chases Sen. Grothman around Capitol
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"Grothman says Hulsey did help him escape the crowd but he was never that worried. "I really think if I had had to, I could have walked through the crowd and it would have been okay," he said. "They're loud, they'll give you the finger, and they yell at you, but I really think deep down inside they're just mostly college kids having fun, just like they're having fun sleeping with their girfriends on air mattresses. That's the guts of that crowd."
 
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pbrauer said:
"Grothman says Hulsey did help him escape the crowd but he was never that worried. "I really think if I had had to, I could have walked through the crowd and it would have been okay," he said. "They're loud, they'll give you the finger, and they yell at you, but I really think deep down inside they're just mostly college kids having fun, just like they're having fun sleeping with their girfriends on air mattresses. That's the guts of that crowd."
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Hulsey, who had been addressing the hundreds of people locked out of the building during Gov. Scott Walker's budget address, stepped between protesters and his Republican colleague, known around the state for his conservative views and quirky ways.

"This guy and I disagree on everything, but we're friends," Hulsey told the angry demonstrators. "This is a peaceful protest. You need to back away."

After what several observers estimate to be five to 10 tense minutes, several firefighters arrived and escorted Hulsey and Grothman to an underground entrance on another side of the Capitol, where they were able to safely enter the building.
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yeah... nothgin going on there folks. Keep walking... keep walking :rolleyes:
 
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Conservative said:
I cannot believe that you don't understand where their money comes from. I read your article and it is leftwing propaganda that flies in the face of logic and common sense.
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Ha,ha! Everything that doesn't agree with your right-wing rhetoric is leftwing propaganda. That is too funny!

If you have such great faith in unions then you won't have any problem with people opting out or paying their union dues by check instead of payroll deduction.
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I don't see where there is any difference. Income tax deductions are payroll deductions, are you saying others are paying for my taxes? You are too funny, maybe funny is not the word I should be using, maybe "full of it" would be a better word.


I suggest you read your own article and find out how pensions are really funded and by whom as well as who contributes?
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I did, it is quite clear - you're the one that is failing to understand it or plain refusing to understand it. It is the worker's money.

Here's another "leftwing" source that says the same thing.

Simple. The pension plan is the direct result of deferred compensation- money that employees would have been paid as cash salary but choose, instead, to have placed in the state operated pension fund where the money can be professionally invested (at a lower cost of management) for the future.

Many of us are familiar with the concept of deferred compensation from reading about the latest multi-million dollar deal with some professional athlete. As a means of allowing their ball club to have enough money to operate, lowering their own tax obligations and for other benefits, ball players often defer payment of money they are to be paid to a later date. In the meantime, that money is invested for the ball player’s benefit and then paid over at the time and in the manner agreed to in the contract between the parties.

Does anyone believe that, in the case of the ball player, the deferred money belongs to the club owner rather than the ball player? Is the owner simply providing this money to the athlete as some sort of gift? Of course not. The money is salary to be paid to the ball player, deferred for receipt at a later date.

The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Employee Pensions - Rick Ungar - The Policy Page - Forbes

Apparently you do!

Love being called ignorant by you because you have such a screwed up definition of the word. Look in the mirror, pal.
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When you post utter trash and insist that it is truth, there has to be a reason, ignorance seems to jump out!
 
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Unions' political thuggery--Glenn Reynolds - NYPOST.com

At the Huffington Post, liberal Lee Stranahan wonders why this kind of thing isn't getting more attention from the traditional media who were tut-tutting over much more minor (and even imaginary) offenses to civility so very recently. "Ignoring the story of these threats is deeply, fundamentally wrong. It's bad, biased journalism that will lead to no possible good outcome and progressives should be leading the charge against it.

"Just before writing this article, I did a Google search and it's stunning to find out that the right-wing media really isn't exaggerating -- proven death threats against politicians are being ignored by the supposedly honest media. If you've never agreed with a single thing that Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly et al have said about anything, you can't in any good conscience say that they don't have a point here. Death threats are wrong and if a story like Wisconsin is national news for days, then so are death threats."
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yup. no thuggery there, huh folks. Even the usual liberal weenies on HufPo see it. Too bad some liberals are so completely blinded by hatred, and partisan hackery they can't see what more open minded liberals can.
 
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pbrauer said:
National Review Online?:roll:
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do you deny any death threats have occured? Or are you just whining like a little girl about the source, like you usually do?

Scroll up... even the wack-offs at HufPo admit it's going on.

Chicago-Sun Times ok?
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/4248800-418/wisconsin-gop-death-threats-probed.html

CBS?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20041660-503544.html
 
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mertex said:
Ha,ha! Everything that doesn't agree with your right-wing rhetoric is leftwing propaganda. That is too funny!


I don't see where there is any difference. Income tax deductions are payroll deductions, are you saying others are paying for my taxes? You are too funny, maybe funny is not the word I should be using, maybe "full of it" would be a better word.



I did, it is quite clear - you're the one that is failing to understand it or plain refusing to understand it. It is the worker's money.

Here's another "leftwing" source that says the same thing.

Simple. The pension plan is the direct result of deferred compensation- money that employees would have been paid as cash salary but choose, instead, to have placed in the state operated pension fund where the money can be professionally invested (at a lower cost of management) for the future.

Many of us are familiar with the concept of deferred compensation from reading about the latest multi-million dollar deal with some professional athlete. As a means of allowing their ball club to have enough money to operate, lowering their own tax obligations and for other benefits, ball players often defer payment of money they are to be paid to a later date. In the meantime, that money is invested for the ball player’s benefit and then paid over at the time and in the manner agreed to in the contract between the parties.

Does anyone believe that, in the case of the ball player, the deferred money belongs to the club owner rather than the ball player? Is the owner simply providing this money to the athlete as some sort of gift? Of course not. The money is salary to be paid to the ball player, deferred for receipt at a later date.

The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Employee Pensions - Rick Ungar - The Policy Page - Forbes

Apparently you do!


When you post utter trash and insist that it is truth, there has to be a reason, ignorance seems to jump out!
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Bye, mertex, I am done dealing with kids, argue with yourself or cheerlead some other brainwashed liberal. You are done in my book.
 
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Conservative said:
What happened in Wisconsin was mob violence, show me that kind of activity with the tea party? There is plenty of evidence showing that if you did a little research so what are you afraid of. Google it, union thugs attack legislator. Look at the damage those people did to the capitol and look at the abuse reporters took from those thugs?
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That's amazing - was that violence you are talking about the one where they show "palm trees" in Wisconsin?
 
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pbrauer and Whovian are now thread banned. The name calling and personal attacks are going to stop, and this means every one. I will hand out as many more thread bans as needed if you all cannot play nice.
 
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Conservative said:
Bye, mertex, I am done dealing with kids, argue with yourself or cheerlead some other brainwashed liberal. You are done in my book.
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What's the matter gramps? Can't handle the truth?
 
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MaggieD said:
If Walker's law stands, the proof will be in the pudding as Wisconsin teachers will no longer have their union dues withheld and will have to write the checks themselves. I believe that they will no longer even have to belong. Is it any wonder the unions have pulled out alllll the stops on this issue? They are running scared.
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Actually, no.
What you're talking about is a union shop, in which all workers have to belong to the union. The law in Wisconsin is about limiting collective bargaining, a totally different issue.

I don't know whether Wisconsin has a union shop or not. We don't in California, at least not for teachers.



I don't know whether Wisconsin has/had a union shop or not.
 
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Conservative said:
I have been spit on, swung at, had lit cigarettes thrown at a gasoline tanker truck I was in, threats made against my family all because I was on the other side of the table in union negotiations. You have seen examples of the union thugs in Wisconsin and I experienced some of that first hand. I also worked on the highway depart in my early years and it was unionized. They sent seven people out to bury a dead dog and did more to get out of work than they did actually working. I knew then I wanted nothing to do with unions.
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And sadly you cannot provide any substantiation for any of this.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Actually, no.
What you're talking about is a union shop, in which all workers have to belong to the union. The law in Wisconsin is about limiting collective bargaining, a totally different issue.

I don't know whether Wisconsin has a union shop or not. We don't in California, at least not for teachers.



I don't know whether Wisconsin has/had a union shop or not.
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Yes, Wisconsin is a union shop and the bill signed by Walker requires choice and personal payments for dues, no longer mandatory deductions for union dues and no requirement to join the union. All negotiations have to be done via ballot initiated. All good changes IMO.
 
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haymarket said:
And sadly you cannot provide any substantiation for any of this.
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Right, just like you cannot provide substantiation for much of what you post or any of your own claims. I know what happened and don't have to prove a thing to you. There have been enough video and documented evidence on this thread of union thugs, you choose to ignore them and personally question my experience. Says a lot about you.
 
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Conservative said:
Thought all liberals understood the liberal mantra that Republicans want to kill seniors, starve kids, and pollute the air. Your rants are ridiculous as usual. Calling me a liar doesn't do much for your argument either for what I see lie is not another word that you don't know the difference because you distort, divert, and are the one lying in most of your posts.
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Show me where I have posted any lies.

You keep insisting that union dues are being paid by taxpayers, you've been exposed several times for that lie, yet you continue to post it - I would think the evidence is quite clear who the liar is here.
 
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Conservative said:
Yes, Wisconsin is a union shop and the bill signed by Walker requires choice and personal payments for dues, no longer mandatory deductions for union dues and no requirement to join the union. All negotiations have to be done via ballot initiated. All good changes IMO.
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I'm not sure just what "All negotiations have to be done via ballot initiated" means. Yes, open shop is a good idea. The union should be the servant, the teachers the boss. The union members should decide who, if anyone, is to represent them. Outlawing collective bargaining is not a good idea, however.
 
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