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randel, unions just love having people like you for you are very easy to manipulate and brainwash. It really is a shame that you cannot see how unions keep you dependent and actually keep your wages down from what you could make on your own with a little incentive, creativity, and hard work. Everyone getting the same pay increase and no merit raises has to movtivate people with no initiative or drive plus the inability to lose your job due to seniority. With public unions the taxpayer gets screwed, with public unions companies go out of business.

I am going to point out exactly what happens with public unions no matter how much you dislike hearing the truth. Taxpayers fund union pay and benefits and regardless of how you feel that is reality.
conservative my friend, it would be so refreshing to actually hear you tell the truth for once.
 
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Just goes to show the hypocrisy of a liberal who is always concerned about the "little guy" but not about how little they pay for Wal-Mart goods and services. That evil corporation is the largest employer in the country and provides goods and services at lower prices for that "little guy." Wal-Mart is an incredible corporate citizen, creates a lot of opportunities for the employees, and generates incredible tax revenue for the govt. Not being union is all that liberals look at, true hypocrits
sounds like you have been brainwashed by wal mart.
 
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conservative my friend, it would be so refreshing to actually hear you tell the truth for once.

Pay attention to the other posts and stop with the obsession with me. The facts are there about unions which you refuse to believe. your choice, your failure.
 
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sounds like you have been brainwashed by wal mart.

Yep, brainwashed by the hundreds of thousands of employees at Wal-Mart, competing against Wal-Mart, being completely aware of their benefit and wage structure. Yep, Wal-Mart simply makes liberals and other union supporters crazy and to me that makes it even better. I can see why you support unions as it would be hard for you to compete in a non union shop for pay raises and promotions. One day you are going to wake up, look back, and wonder what happened as the world and others have passed you by.
 
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Well, I wouldn't go that far. See, not only was there that, but as I have routinely reminded you, I grew up in a UAW town, state. Most, if not ALL of my friends worked for GM in one way or another. And I saw first hand what they got away with. The video of the workers from Detroit not too long ago wasn't that far off at all.

As for when I worked for Pepsi, as a side loader delivery person, one of my best friends in MD was the shop steward, and yes I did attend meetings when they were offered. See we were a small shop with only 14 drivers, and the local that represented us couldn't have cared less about anything other than taking my dues money. I think in 4 years we had, or were invited to 3 meetings. Two of those were contract approval sessions, and one was to ask that we stand with some Warehouse that was considering a strike, for $50 per week. Meanwhile, the relationship that having union representation in that business caused was not one where I thought it was a smooth endeavor to say the least. Let's just say that it IMHO causes a friction that doesn't need to be.



You make far too many assumptions to be taken seriously.



This was early on in my driving career, and I was very young with a family. I didn't know much back then and still thought that unions were ok. Chalk it up to being young and dumb...As I have been around for some time now it is not only Michigan, and my stint in Maryland that formed my opinion. My wife's father was Union all the way. Beth Steel in Baltimore for 40 years. In his prime that facility was over 5,000 strong, and a vibrant part of Baltimore. Now it would break your heart to see what it is. Little more than an eye sore on the way in to the harbor of Baltimore. With as few as 250 employees. When he retired, he had a pension, and a clock given him as a thanks for his 40 years of that place, and not two years after that he was informed that their pension fund was dead broke, and that it would be placed with the State for receivership, his monthly was cut by 2/3. Yeah he really came out good with that didn't he?

Let me just close with this. I am not totally anti Union. I can see where in a world of pendulum reality, that unions have a place with certain workplaces. Especially where work conditions, and safety of the employees are not being addressed by an employer properly. When my wife worked for Exel down here was a prime example. But, the problem is that unions inherently become corrupt, and go beyond what is a symbiotic relationship with the company's they destroy, and move toward greed themselves sucking the well dry, and then destroying the businesses they go after. And what of the people that the Unions have a direct hand in making available to the job market? huh? Do they care? hell no. When the business closes under the weight of the demands of the union mob, then the union just moves on and leaves its once proud members to dry up and blow away, in search of the next business concern to lean on for their protection racket.

Now your turn.

j-mac
first, i'm a little skeptical of your union experience, you will just have to excuse me on that one, as the 'going to meetings when offered' made me chuckle, as meetings are generally a monthly event, and posted on the union board at place of employment at least a week to ten days in advance...that statement was telling to me, as two of the meeting you attended were 'contract approval'...sounds to me like those were the only ones you were interested in attending. as for the rest, you continue with the whole anti-union spiel , which is taken out of the big business playbook. you don't seem to understand, or care to, that 'running a company out of business' goes against the union's best interest.
 
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first, i'm a little skeptical of your union experience, you will just have to excuse me on that one, as the 'going to meetings when offered' made me chuckle, as meetings are generally a monthly event, and posted on the union board at place of employment at least a week to ten days in advance...that statement was telling to me, as two of the meeting you attended were 'contract approval'...sounds to me like those were the only ones you were interested in attending. as for the rest, you continue with the whole anti-union spiel , which is taken out of the big business playbook. you don't seem to understand, or care to, that 'running a company out of business' goes against the union's best interest.

Some of this bull**** is starting to look like dear Abby.:lamo
 
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first, i'm a little skeptical of your union experience, you will just have to excuse me on that one, as the 'going to meetings when offered' made me chuckle, as meetings are generally a monthly event, and posted on the union board at place of employment at least a week to ten days in advance...that statement was telling to me, as two of the meeting you attended were 'contract approval'...sounds to me like those were the only ones you were interested in attending. as for the rest, you continue with the whole anti-union spiel , which is taken out of the big business playbook. you don't seem to understand, or care to, that 'running a company out of business' goes against the union's best interest.


And yet, they do it everyday.


j-mac
 
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Some of this bull**** is starting to look like dear Abby.:lamo
dear abby, i'm a union thug in ohio and......:lol:
 
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first, i'm a little skeptical of your union experience

I could care less coming from someone who misrepresented themselves for 4 years elsewhere.

you will just have to excuse me on that one

I will give you as much of a pass as you extend to me, and that right now is little or nothing.

as the 'going to meetings when offered' made me chuckle, as meetings are generally a monthly event, and posted on the union board at place of employment at least a week to ten days in advance...that statement was telling to me, as two of the meeting you attended were 'contract approval'...sounds to me like those were the only ones you were interested in attending.


Well, as a 23 year old kid who was more concerned with partying and having fun, you're probably right at the time. But, that neither invalidates my experiences with the unions, nor my knowledge of them from growing up. You know just because someone doesn't agree with your propaganda doesn't make them wrong, or unknowledgeable, or anything of the sort, it is after all why union membership today is at its lowest point in American history, and the Unions need CardCheck to intimidate in the workplace to bolster their own existence. Just keep in mind many more people in this country know the truth about Unions than the dolts that try and tell everyone else they are wrong.

as for the rest, you continue with the whole anti-union spiel , which is taken out of the big business playbook. you don't seem to understand, or care to, that 'running a company out of business' goes against the union's best interest.

Listen to yourself....."Taken out of the big business playbook"? hahaha! Attica! Attica! Attica! Talk about brainwashed.


j-mac
 
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dear abby, i'm a union thug in ohio and......:lol:


Admitting the problem is the first step in the cure.


j-mac
 
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I could care less coming from someone who misrepresented themselves for 4 years elsewhere.



I will give you as much of a pass as you extend to me, and that right now is little or nothing.




Well, as a 23 year old kid who was more concerned with partying and having fun, you're probably right at the time. But, that neither invalidates my experiences with the unions, nor my knowledge of them from growing up. You know just because someone doesn't agree with your propaganda doesn't make them wrong, or unknowledgeable, or anything of the sort, it is after all why union membership today is at its lowest point in American history, and the Unions need CardCheck to intimidate in the workplace to bolster their own existence. Just keep in mind many more people in this country know the truth about Unions than the dolts that try and tell everyone else they are wrong.



Listen to yourself....."Taken out of the big business playbook"? hahaha! Attica! Attica! Attica! Talk about brainwashed.


j-mac
people change j, you should know that......your admitted lack of interest in attending your meetings has limited your knowledge on how unions work, it is what it is...as for the rest of your claimed 'knowledge' and 'experience', much of it is second hand, or what has been spoon fed to you...you want to blame unions for everything, but seem unwilling to consider that perhaps mismanagement had alot to do with alot of businesses closing. got to look at the big picture j, got to look at the big picture...also, seems i remember reading that a majority of american workers would organize into unions, if the whole process wasnt skewed in favor of businesses...alot of people afraid they would suddenly be 'replaced' should they try to organize...i'll have to see if i can find that ...
 
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people change j, you should know that......your admitted lack of interest in attending your meetings has limited your knowledge on how unions work, it is what it is...as for the rest of your claimed 'knowledge' and 'experience', much of it is second hand, or what has been spoon fed to you...you want to blame unions for everything, but seem unwilling to consider that perhaps mismanagement had alot to do with alot of businesses closing. got to look at the big picture j, got to look at the big picture...also, seems i remember reading that a majority of american workers would organize into unions, if the whole process wasnt skewed in favor of businesses...alot of people afraid they would suddenly be 'replaced' should they try to organize...i'll have to see if i can find that ...


You probably saw it here: Majority Receptive to Law Making Union Organizing Easier - Democratic Underground

As far as Gallup's poll on this let me just clue you in to their own disclaimer at the bottom of their little poll

Gallup said:
In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

haha....Noooooo, ya think?


j-mac
 
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Pay attention to the other posts and stop with the obsession with me. The facts are there about unions which you refuse to believe. your choice, your failure.

One cannot help but notice that several of the most ardent right wing True Believers here seem to adopt this line when somebody keeps exposing their line of nonsense. They somehow, someway feel that they cannot stand close scrutiny and its unfair to look at their posts and keep asking tough questions about them.

All the sudden they accuse others of being obsessed with them when it is they who are obsessed with right wing ideology.
 
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One cannot help but notice that several of the most ardent right wing True Believers here seem to adopt this line when somebody keeps exposing their line of nonsense. They somehow, someway feel that they cannot stand close scrutiny and its unfair to look at their posts and keep asking tough questions about them.

All the sudden they accuse others of being obsessed with them when it is they who are obsessed with right wing ideology.

Talking about yourself again, only thought yours was a leftwing ideology? It isn't rightwing to accept personal responsibility and point out the problems with unions. It isn't rightwing to point out the differences between public and private unions. It isn't right wing to point out political contributions from unions to Democrats. It isn't right wing to point out that public unions are funded by the taxpayers. That is reality and the real world. Feel free to join the real world.
 
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Talking about yourself again, only thought yours was a leftwing ideology? It isn't rightwing to accept personal responsibility and point out the problems with unions. It isn't rightwing to point out the differences between public and private unions. It isn't right wing to point out political contributions from unions to Democrats. It isn't right wing to point out that public unions are funded by the taxpayers. That is reality and the real world. Feel free to join the real world.

It is very much right wing to have the attitude towards unions that you do and evidenced over and over and over again.
 
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It is very much right wing to have the attitude towards unions that you do and evidenced over and over and over again.

That attitude comes from years of experience and actually working with unions. I have absolutely no use for the thugs that run the union and take advantage of some very good people.
 
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That attitude comes from years of experience and actually working with unions. I have absolutely no use for the thugs that run the union and take advantage of some very good people.

Please do provide us with appropriate illumination.
 
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Please do provide us with appropriate illumination.

Would be happy to do so for anyone that actually gives a damn and will pay attention. you aren't in that group as nothing is going to change your mind or opinions.
 
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A couple of facts about unions: They can't demand anything, they can only negotiate. Their members don't get anything that the employers don't agree to. Unions can not raise taxes, nor are they a part of the government. Unions are simply a way for employees to band together so that there is a balance of power between labor and management. Without the union, management holds all of the aces, and can do whatever it wants. That was the situation back in the 19th. century. Try reading "The Jungle", or perhaps "Grapes of Wrath", and see if anyone really wants to go back to those good old days. The Pavlovian response to unions I keep reading in these posts seem to think that "thugs" are unilaterally stealing tax money. If that is the case, then the managers are complicit in the thievery. Further, the salaries that are negotiated are not for the unions themselves, but for the employees. In the case of "public" unions, that means largely teachers, cops, and firefighters.

Anyone who really believes that the above groups are overpaid is living in a parallel universe.
 
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Would be happy to do so for anyone that actually gives a damn and will pay attention. you aren't in that group as nothing is going to change your mind or opinions.

I am shocked by your outright refusal to provide appropriate support for your claims and allegations. Shocked I tell you!
 
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That attitude comes from years of experience and actually working with unions. I have absolutely no use for the thugs that run the union and take advantage of some very good people.

Well, please explain then. I frankly have not had much experience with unions except for the transit authority in NYC and never on a personal level.
 
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Well, please explain then. I frankly have not had much experience with unions except for the transit authority in NYC and never on a personal level.

I have been spit on, swung at, had lit cigarettes thrown at a gasoline tanker truck I was in, threats made against my family all because I was on the other side of the table in union negotiations. You have seen examples of the union thugs in Wisconsin and I experienced some of that first hand. I also worked on the highway depart in my early years and it was unionized. They sent seven people out to bury a dead dog and did more to get out of work than they did actually working. I knew then I wanted nothing to do with unions.
 
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I have been spit on, swung at, had lit cigarettes thrown at a gasoline tanker truck I was in, threats made against my family all because I was on the other side of the table in union negotiations. You have seen examples of the union thugs in Wisconsin and I experienced some of that first hand. I also worked on the highway depart in my early years and it was unionized. They sent seven people out to bury a dead dog and did more to get out of work than they did actually working. I knew then I wanted nothing to do with unions.

OK, but you said you just don't like the thugs that run the unions who are taking advantage of some people (are you talking about some union members here?)
 
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OK, but you said you just don't like the thugs that run the unions who are taking advantage of some people (are you talking about some union members here?)

Not at all, there are some good people in the unions, many of them conservatives but unfortunately there aren't enough to make those thugs civil as you saw in Wisconsin. Many good teachers didn't walk out and go to Madison and in fact many actually vote conservative. Too bad this group cannot influence their leadership. Mandatory unions hurt a lot of good people.
 
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Not at all, there are some good people in the unions, many of them conservatives but unfortunately there aren't enough to make those thugs civil as you saw in Wisconsin. Many good teachers didn't walk out and go to Madison and in fact many actually vote conservative. Too bad this group cannot influence their leadership. Mandatory unions hurt a lot of good people.

If Walker's law stands, the proof will be in the pudding as Wisconsin teachers will no longer have their union dues withheld and will have to write the checks themselves. I believe that they will no longer even have to belong. Is it any wonder the unions have pulled out alllll the stops on this issue? They are running scared.
 
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