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Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights withou

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Conservative said:
Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]
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I guess you forgot what was posted earlier in, I believe it was in this thread but in case you inadvertently overlooked it here it is yet again for your perusal.

<To summarize, our study shows that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation per hour than comparable full-time employees in Wisconsin’s private sector.>

http://epi.3cdn.net/9e237c56096a8e4904_rkm6b9hn1.pdf

By the way, did i overlook the post where you showed me the diff between public and private sector Unions?:2wave:
 
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Conservative said:
Tell me who funds public union benefits in Wisconsin even if you won't buy that the taxpayers fund their salaries which include their union dues.
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Who would fund them if the workers were not union?
 
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donc said:
I guess you forgot what was posted earlier in, I believe it was in this thread but in case you inadvertently overlooked it here it is yet again for your perusal.

<To summarize, our study shows that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation per hour than comparable full-time employees in Wisconsin’s private sector.>

http://epi.3cdn.net/9e237c56096a8e4904_rkm6b9hn1.pdf

By the way, did i overlook the post where you showed me the diff between public and private sector Unions?:2wave:
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Apparently in your world benefits aren't part of compensation because with benefits the public unions of Wisconsin blow private sector away. Doesn't really matter to you though since you don't pay any of those expenses. That is a lot like 47% of the public not paying any FIT thus not worrying about raising taxes on the rest of the income earners.

Yep, apparently you overlooked it a few times, suggest paying closer attention although with your obsession for me I don't know how you could have missed it.

Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]
 
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Conservative said:
Apparently in your world benefits aren't part of compensation because with benefits the public unions of Wisconsin blow private sector away. Doesn't really matter to you though since you don't pay any of those expenses. That is a lot like 47% of the public not paying any FIT thus not worrying about raising taxes on the rest of the income earners.

Yep, apparently you overlooked it a few times, suggest paying closer attention although with your obsession for me I don't know how you could have missed it.

Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]
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I guess you must have overlooked this part of my link THAT DESCRIBES WISCONSIN wages and benefits eh?Why am i not surprised.:roll:

<Although some non wage benefits are more generous in the public sector, it is a serious error to imagine that comparability requires that each and every element of compensation is the same. What is important is that considering both the cost of employer-provided non wage benefits and direct wages, public sector workers in Wisconsin earn less in annual or hourly compensation than they would earn in the private sector.>
 
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Conservative said:
You really don't understand public unions and no matter how many times you claim it that doesn't make it true, taxpayers fund public unions indirectly through public union employees. That seems to be a problem here for you and others, this is about public unions not private unions.
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Unions are supported by dues paid by members, not by government. I can see where you're coming from, of course. Taxpayers pay wages to teachers, firefighters, and cops, and they in turn pay union dues, therefore, according to your line of reasoning, unions are paid for by taxpayers. You could apply that same line of reasoning to anything that the above groups of people buy: They by lunch at McDonalds, therefore, taxpayers are paying for Mcdonalds. They buy a boat, and therefore the taxpayers are buying a boat. That line of reasoning is spurious, of course, as anyone can see.
 
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That line of reasoning is spurious, of course, as anyone can see.
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Well, almost anyone.
 
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haymarket said:
from Dittoheadnot to Conservative



Well, almost anyone.
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He’s clinging to that spurious reasoning like it were a life raft isn’t he?:mrgreen:
 
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haymarket said:
from Dittoheadnot to Conservative



Well, almost anyone.
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Well, anyone without extreme partisan blinders and a Pavlovian response to the word "union."
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Unions are supported by dues paid by members, not by government. I can see where you're coming from, of course. Taxpayers pay wages to teachers, firefighters, and cops, and they in turn pay union dues, therefore, according to your line of reasoning, unions are paid for by taxpayers. You could apply that same line of reasoning to anything that the above groups of people buy: They by lunch at McDonalds, therefore, taxpayers are paying for Mcdonalds. They buy a boat, and therefore the taxpayers are buying a boat. That line of reasoning is spurious, of course, as anyone can see.
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You are missing a very important point and that is the benefits that the employee gets but doesn't pay for. Pension funds and healthcare funds are provided by the taxpayer for the employee and paid to the unions that manage both. That is a lot of money and a lot of control of taxpayer money. Also, in Wisconsin, the union dues are payroll deductions, not paid for by the employee. Payment of those dues comes from the taxpayer to the department to the unions.

In your example, yes all funding for union employees comes from the taxpayer just like all funding for private sector employees comes from the customer. Without taxpayers or customers where wouldn't be any employees thus no spending at McDonalds.

Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]
 
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donc said:
HOoT!! :mrgreen:Look at conservative trying to shift the goal post “Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions” and compulsory unionism with a 1999 link.
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What does the year have to do with it, what has changed?
 
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Conservative said:
Learn the difference between the private and public unions yet? Do liberals ever admit when wrong?

Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]
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The Mackinaw center is a joke. A really bad joke. Here is another one of a different kind ... a rather funny one which describes my reaction to your obsession with this topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAp-T8Gklw0
 
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haymarket said:
The Mackinaw center is a joke. A really bad joke. Here is another one of a different kind ... a rather funny one which describes my reaction to your obsession with this topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAp-T8Gklw0
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Why, because it lays out the differences between public and private sector unions? What is wrong in that article and be specific? Who do public sector unions compete against for wages and benefits? How many public sector unions lost their jobs because govt. went out of business? What are the options that the citizens have for the taxdollars they spend?
 
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Conservative said:
Why, because it lays out the differences between public and private sector unions? What is wrong in that article and be specific? Who do public sector unions compete against for wages and benefits? How many public sector unions lost their jobs because govt. went out of business? What are the options that the citizens have for the taxdollars they spend?
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Did you miss my answer to your questions?

Go back and click on the link in post 1816. Its all there for you.
 
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haymarket said:
Did you miss my answer to your questions?

Go back and click on the link in post 1816. Its all there for you.
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Mackinac isn't the answer to the question. Like all liberals you do nothing but divert. what exactly in that article is inaccurate. As usual you have to destroy the author while ignoring the content. That is a losing argument these days. Keep running, Haymarket, because that is what liberal Democrat state representative employees do.
 
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Conservative said:
What does the year have to do with it, what has changed?
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Here,the first sentance from your link.(When the NLRA was being drafted and debated in the 1930s, a central question was whether or not compulsory unionism should apply to government employees.)Notice the word unionism?

Their comments on Unions, are in a different context than what we are discussing Unions in. Theirs are, that there should be no public sector Unions at all. Though its pretty lame of them discussing the military in the same breath of Unions. It is what it is.
 
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donc said:
Here,the first sentance from your link.(When the NLRA was being drafted and debated in the 1930s, a central question was whether or not compulsory unionism should apply to government employees.)Notice the word unionism?

Their comments on Unions, are in a different context than what we are discussing Unions in. Theirs are, that there should be no public sector Unions at all. Though its pretty lame of them discussing the military in the same breath of Unions. It is what it is.
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So your entire problem is with "unionism?" Now that is funny but also that is their opinion and mine as well but regardless that isn't the point at all, nice diversion. What exactly in the comparison between public and private unions is wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unionism

un·ion·ism (yny-nzm)
n.
1. The principle or theory of forming a union.
2. The principles, theory, or system of a union, especially a trade union.
 
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Conservative said:
Learn the difference between the private and public unions yet? Do liberals ever admit when wrong?

Who cares what they say?

Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]
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The Mackinac Center was established in 1987 to promote free-market policies and limited government ideals. The organization pioneered the state-level think-tank, establishing a model for smaller and often more narrowly focused think-tanks to affect local and state politics. Though there are now 48 such state-level organizations, the Mackinac Center remains the largest and the most well known.
Funding

In the last few years, the center has received grants from: Sarah Scaife Foundation, Roe Foundation, Ruth and Lovett Peters Foundation, Rodney Fund, Orville D. and Ruth A. Merillat Foundation, JM Foundation, Earhart Foundation, Charles G. Koch Foundation, Walton Family Foundation, Dick and Betsy Devos Foundation and Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc.
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Mackinac Center for Public Policy | Right Wing Watch
 
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pbrauer said:
The Mackinac Center was established in 1987 to promote free-market policies and limited government ideals. The organization pioneered the state-level think-tank, establishing a model for smaller and often more narrowly focused think-tanks to affect local and state politics. Though there are now 48 such state-level organizations, the Mackinac Center remains the largest and the most well known.
Funding

In the last few years, the center has received grants from: Sarah Scaife Foundation, Roe Foundation, Ruth and Lovett Peters Foundation, Rodney Fund, Orville D. and Ruth A. Merillat Foundation, JM Foundation, Earhart Foundation, Charles G. Koch Foundation, Walton Family Foundation, Dick and Betsy Devos Foundation and Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc.
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Mackinac Center for Public Policy | Right Wing Watch[/SIZE]
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And that has exactly what to do with the content of the article? What exactly in that article is wrong? Unbelievable, liberals have to destroy the messenger and ignore the message. Doubt seriously if any of the liberals here read the article so maybe if you all get together and help each other with the bigger words you will understand the content and stop attacking the messenger.
 
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Conservative said:
And that has exactly what to do with the content of the article? What exactly in that article is wrong? Unbelievable, liberals have to destroy the messenger and ignore the message. Doubt seriously if any of the liberals here read the article so maybe if you all get together and help each other with the bigger words you will understand the content and stop attacking the messenger.
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You're kidding, Right?

Here is an article for you to read that's more on the topic of this tread: :mrgreen:

We Are All Wisconsinites Now | The Nation
 
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