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working men and women have no credibility?:shock: are you serious?(forget i asked, i'm still in shock) do you forget who it is that makes the product/performs the service for the employer? without these men and women, nothing gets done, no money is made, no wealth created.....is your knowledge on how the real world works really that limited?

I was talking about the wage slave union members, not the normal working folks. I have absolutely no respect for unions or their employees as they have outlived their usefulness and create cult followers who are out of touch with reality.
 
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called you a liar? sure, i'll go with that...does the truth hurt? your being dishonest, if the shoe fits, wear it

You really need to back off, this is beneath you.
 
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I was talking about the wage slave union members, not the normal working folks. I have absolutely no respect for unions or their employees as they have outlived their usefulness and create cult followers who are out of touch with reality.

what were you working for conservative...i'll give ya a hint...you liked recieving a paycheck.....hmmmm...by your logic , that makes you a WAGE SLAVE....live it and love it my friend, as you created the term.
 
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You really need to back off, this is beneath you.
your being dishonest, and i'm calling you on it.
 
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what were you working for conservative...i'll give ya a hint...you liked recieving a paycheck.....hmmmm...by your logic , that makes you a WAGE SLAVE....live it and love it my friend, as you created the term.

I earned a paycheck by generating results. My pay was determined by the results generated not the hours worked. Unions are paid by the hours worked not the performance generated especially public unions where results aren't measured and the taxpayers write the checks. Profit doesn't matter to a public union and seniority determines pay increases, not merit.
 
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I earned a paycheck by generating results. My pay was determined by the results generated not the hours worked. Unions are paid by the hours worked not the performance generated especially public unions where results aren't measured and the taxpayers write the checks. Profit doesn't matter to a public union and seniority determines pay increases, not merit.
SO ....you did earn a paycheck eh? hmmmm...guessing that perhaps you had bills to pay and had need of that check, correct?.......hmmmmm...lets see, by your definition, you are a WAGE SLAVE, AND NO BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE...LIVE IT, LOVE IT, OWN IT....
 
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When those people have nothing invested nor any concept of investment, company profit or loss, or competition because they get their pay and nothing else matters they don't have a lot of credibility. Most people understand that thus the drop in union membership. Most people seem to realize they don't need unions to take care of them and can do it quite well themselves.

And they're wrong.

As Union participation has declined, so have wages.

Wage Stagnation, Growing Insecurity, and the Future of the U.S. Working Class - Monthly Review

Unions - even if you're not represented by them - help maintain a balance against corporate interests that makes sure that as American productivity continues to rise so do working people's wages.

If it were solely up to the corporate interests paying people nothing (or next to it) would give them the highest profits. As long as the top classes can create enough goods and services for one another to maintain their status, they could return to indentured servitude for the rest of the nation.

This is precisely what they want. It's really a destruction of capitalism by pretending to be capitalist. Those who are on top are trying to remove all the rungs below them and they do so by making education unaffordable for most families (this is what vouchers will do - because the schools most in demand will raise their tuition rates, eventually making the vouchers worthless and destroying the public schools in the meantime). For capitalism to succeed, you have to keep the middle class fat and happy. The unions did a good job of that by maintaining wage levels for non-union workers to compare themselves to.

Now that they're largely gone, people make much less (adjusted for inflation) than their parents did. What's going to happen is that you're going to end up with a system you like a lot less than this one. Everyone pretends that they're against wealth redistribution, but through no-bid government contracts, corporate farm subsidies, tax breaks for multi-million dollar mortgages and vacation homes -wealth is being redistributed - continually upward to the top 5%.

Their propaganda network convinces working people to vote against their own self-interest and blame the person on the rung below them (never realizing that the rungs above them are merely an illusion). Unions are one of the few ways left for people to organize - the same way corporations do when they form PACs, etc. They form PACs because they know that if they work together, they have an even stronger voice. Then they fund a network that pretends that the individuals who work for them are better off being a lone voice against their billions of dollars.

Fools believe them and continue to vote for people who will continue to take money away from working people and giving it to the Ivory Tower elites who need at least two more gated homes to make up for their tiny penises.

People ACTUALLY believe the way to solve the unemployment crisis is to lay more people off. This is Orwell's world now. Wisconsin is only the most obvious example of this double-speak.
 
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And they're wrong.

As Union participation has declined, so have wages.

Wage Stagnation, Growing Insecurity, and the Future of the U.S. Working Class - Monthly Review

Unions - even if you're not represented by them - help maintain a balance against corporate interests that makes sure that as American productivity continues to rise so do working people's wages.

If it were solely up to the corporate interests paying people nothing (or next to it) would give them the highest profits. As long as the top classes can create enough goods and services for one another to maintain their status, they could return to indentured servitude for the rest of the nation.

This is precisely what they want. It's really a destruction of capitalism by pretending to be capitalist. Those who are on top are trying to remove all the rungs below them and they do so by making education unaffordable for most families (this is what vouchers will do - because the schools most in demand will raise their tuition rates, eventually making the vouchers worthless and destroying the public schools in the meantime). For capitalism to succeed, you have to keep the middle class fat and happy. The unions did a good job of that by maintaining wage levels for non-union workers to compare themselves to.

Now that they're largely gone, people make much less (adjusted for inflation) than their parents did. What's going to happen is that you're going to end up with a system you like a lot less than this one. Everyone pretends that they're against wealth redistribution, but through no-bid government contracts, corporate farm subsidies, tax breaks for multi-million dollar mortgages and vacation homes -wealth is being redistributed - continually upward to the top 5%.

Their propaganda network convinces working people to vote against their own self-interest and blame the person on the rung below them (never realizing that the rungs above them are merely an illusion). Unions are one of the few ways left for people to organize - the same way corporations do when they form PACs, etc. They form PACs because they know that if they work together, they have an even stronger voice. Then they fund a network that pretends that the individuals who work for them are better off being a lone voice against their billions of dollars.

Fools believe them and continue to vote for people who will continue to take money away from working people and giving it to the Ivory Tower elites who need at least two more gated homes to make up for their tiny penises.

People ACTUALLY believe the way to solve the unemployment crisis is to lay more people off. This is Orwell's world now. Wisconsin is only the most obvious example of this double-speak.

Sounds like another intellectual without any practical real life work experience. There are a number of reasons for payroll fluctuations yet you claim to be an expert. What is your experience in claiming that money is being taken away from the working people and given to the "ivory tower elites?" You do realize that about 20% of the work force actually works for large corporations with Ivory Tower elites? What does any of this have to do with public unions and being funded by the taxpayers?
 
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Sounds like another intellectual without any practical real life work experience. There are a number of reasons for payroll fluctuations yet you claim to be an expert. What is your experience in claiming that money is being taken away from the working people and given to the "ivory tower elites?" You do realize that about 20% of the work force actually works for large corporations with Ivory Tower elites? What does any of this have to do with public unions and being funded by the taxpayers?
and yet, with the last line, your trot out the worn out lie again....
 
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When those people have nothing invested nor any concept of investment, company profit or loss, or competition because they get their pay and nothing else matters they don't have a lot of credibility. Most people understand that thus the drop in union membership. Most people seem to realize they don't need unions to take care of them and can do it quite well themselves.
That's a load of horse dung, conservative, it's a gross generalization. There is a minority of people who act like like that, but it doesn't matter whether belong to a union or not. I worked for a corportation that had no unions and there were people just as you decribed. Shame on you!!! You don't know a G-D thing you're talking about. :(
 
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and yet, with the last line, your trot out the worn out lie again....
If you repeat a lie enough times....
 
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Sounds like another intellectual without any practical real life work experience. There are a number of reasons for payroll fluctuations yet you claim to be an expert. What is your experience in claiming that money is being taken away from the working people and given to the "ivory tower elites?" You do realize that about 20% of the work force actually works for large corporations with Ivory Tower elites? What does any of this have to do with public unions and being funded by the taxpayers?

You have yet to show the difference between public Unions and private Unions. Why is that surprising? The only difference is the contracts they have between the parties they represent.
 
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If you repeat a lie enough times....
he knows that his logic is badly flawed, yet, he don't care...anything to smear unions and those that belong to them.
 
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That's a load of horse dung, conservative, it's a gross generalization. There is a minority of people who act like like that, but it doesn't matter whether belong to a union or not. I worked for a corportation that had no unions and there were people just as you decribed. Shame on you!!! You don't know a G-D thing you're talking about. :(

Saying someone does not know what they are talking about seems to be an insult and an infraction of the forum rules. I am sure that the moderators of this site are not biased and will penalize you for these words.
 
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Saying someone does not know what they are talking about seems to be an insult and an infraction of the forum rules. I am sure that the moderators of this site are not biased and will penalize you for these words.

LOL, don't count on it. Thanks for the comments though.
 
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You have yet to show the difference between public Unions and private Unions. Why is that surprising? The only difference is the contracts they have between the parties they represent.

The big difference is companies go out of business, states don't. Taxpayers continue to fund state expenses including unions and their benefits which by the way Wisconsin workers don't contribute to until the bill that was just passed.
 
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andrew klavan :lamo

"When one criticizes public-sector unions, it doesn't imply at all that one is critical of labor unions per se. Because public services are mostly monopolistic – one first-class postal service, one Medicaid, one DMV and road system, one public school system – and funded from involuntary taxes, public-sector labor unions are, basically, legally protected monopolies. If the teachers at an elementary school demand something, and the parents do not want to meet those demands, the parents have nowhere else to go unless they accept having to pay double – private-school tuition on top of the taxes that go to the public school.

In contrast, if Toyota's workers demand something from the company, and consumers don't believe the workers should receive it (for whatever reason), they can buy from any other automaker."
 
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If you repeat a lie enough times....

Tell me who funds public union benefits in Wisconsin even if you won't buy that the taxpayers fund their salaries which include their union dues.
 
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"When one criticizes public-sector unions, it doesn't imply at all that one is critical of labor unions per se. Because public services are mostly monopolistic – one first-class postal service, one Medicaid, one DMV and road system, one public school system – and funded from involuntary taxes, public-sector labor unions are, basically, legally protected monopolies. If the teachers at an elementary school demand something, and the parents do not want to meet those demands, the parents have nowhere else to go unless they accept having to pay double – private-school tuition on top of the taxes that go to the public school.

In contrast, if Toyota's workers demand something from the company, and consumers don't believe the workers should receive it (for whatever reason), they can buy from any other automaker."
i'll bet klavan is second only to reagan on your favorites tab....
 
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And the video was supposed to show me the difference between (You have yet to show the difference between public Unions and private Unions)? :confused:

Didn't watch the video I see.

Competition among businesses forces private-sector unions to be reasonable in their demands or face losing employment for their members by causing a business bankruptcy. With government, however, there is no such competition.
 
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Didn't watch the video I see.

Competition among businesses forces private-sector unions to be reasonable in their demands or face losing employment for their members by causing a business bankruptcy. With government, however, there is no such competition.

I sure did, it had the standard lie in it implying that public employees are overpaid, when we both know that isn’t so. :2wave:
 
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