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Jetboogieman said:

If you can afford it.

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that is not the metric, but I'll accept your concession on the false point you tried to make anyway.

j-mac

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Jetboogieman said:

Everything you say from now on has no validity whatsoever.

To believe the president wants "total control" is so stupid it defies imagination.

He's not going to be president forever, perhaps he's doing what "he believes to be right".

The compromise he came up with in the mandate I believe to be unconsitutional.

I should not be required to buy a private product by the federal government. I agree.

But he didn't do it because he wants "control".

Utterly rediculous right wing koolaid talking points.

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The Obama resume says it all, stop ignoring it.

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Conservative said:

The Obama resume says it all, stop ignoring it.

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randel said:

ok champ, beleive what you want, i know i'm not gonna change your mind, lets just say i know better.

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Let's not. Because you don't offer anything other than what your union masters give to you in fliers to say anyway, so lets call it what it is, your own dishonest attempts. With baiting thrown in.

j-mac

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Jetboogieman said:

The secretary of state is fulfilling her role and is in France with Sarkozy as we speak.

Obama gave a statement in Brazil not too long ago.

America is providing aid to Japan as we speak. Obama came out on many occasions to speak on the subject. Or should he be on the ground providing aid himself? will you be happy then?

Obama stayed out of the internal affairs of a relatively peaceful revolution in Egypt. I say well done.

Your partisan right wing talking points are getting old COnservative.

You're as transparent as glass.

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Don't our allies have Secretary of States or comparable positions? See any heads of state at the meetings in Europe today? Nothing partisan about logic and common sense except of course in the liberal world. I don't see an answer to the question, where was Obama?

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Conservative said:

where was Obama?

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j-mac said:

Let's not. Because you don't offer anything other than what your union masters give to you in fliers to say anyway, so lets call it what it is, your own dishonest attempts. With baiting thrown in.

j-mac

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that is the reason right there...you are not interested in discussion...again, lets just say i know better and leave it at that, pointless having a conversation with you.

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j-mac said:

Let's not. Because you don't offer anything other than what your union masters give to you in fliers to say anyway, so lets call it what it is, your own dishonest attempts. With baiting thrown in.

j-mac

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Union masters!?!?!?!?!?

You really have no idea how unions work at all. The membership are the bosses of the union. We have monthly meetings and frequent elections. Even contract bargaining positions come from the rank and file.

You badly need to get educated on this issue if you are going to pontificate about it so much.

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haymarket said:

Union masters!?!?!?!?!?

You really have no idea how unions work at all. The membership are the bosses of the union. We have monthly meetings and frequent elections. Even contract bargaining positions come from the rank and file.

You badly need to get educated on this issue if you are going to pontificate about it so much.

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what the hell haymarket, are you reading from the flier that your 'union masters' sent you? lol lol lol

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He don't need no edukashun... he simply channels Beck.

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randel said:

what the hell haymarket, are you reading from the flier that your 'union masters' sent you? lol lol lol

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Quiet Randel...... I am quite happy with the extra thirty pieces of silver I get to put up union propaganda here and I know you are too. Besides, if I ever told the truth about what really happens at the union hall, thugs would come in the middle of the night and break my legs. So just keep this between us union goons in this PM and don't spill the beans to the righties.

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haymarket said:

Quiet Randel...... I am quite happy with the extra thirty pieces of silver I get to put up union propaganda here and I know you are too. Besides, if I ever told the truth about what really happens at the union hall, thugs would come in the middle of the night and break my legs. So just keep this between us union goons in this PM and don't spill the beans to the righties.

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gotcha....i won't repeat a word of it

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Jetboogieman said:

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LOL, how many days later, where was the U.S. leadership? Name for me one policy of Obama's that has been successful generating positive economic or foreign affairs results? I am sure the Libyan rebels appreciate the support, yeah right, too little too late.

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Conservative said:

Where is Obama today? Where should he be? Where was Obama when Japan exploded? Where was Obama when Egypt exploded? Where was Obama when Europe was meeting on Libya? Let's not interrupt the golf game or vacation.

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President Obama is exactly where he belongs, working on the most pressing issue for America and Americans our economy

President Obama believes in working to unite not to divide, get used to it you are not going to see him telling Mr. Gorbachev to tear down that wall and you won’t see him standing on the deck of a US Aircraft carrier proclaiming victory.

Lets see we are in Afghanistan and Iraq, if disposed where do you think he should get the troops from, our economy is in the tank where is the money going to come from? I thought you were for reducing the deficit?

Get used to it whether you like it or whether I like it the world is changing so is the way that we need to react to the changes, a united effort by all involved is exactly the way that the current and future situations need to be resolved. President Obama understands exactly what his role should be and knows that if he takes charge nothing will change .

Real leaders know when to step back, Real leaders know how to lead, we have the right leader in President Obama at the right time

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EarlzP;1059358998]President Obama is exactly where he belongs, working on the most pressing issue for America and Americans our economy

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Right, and he does that by going to Brazil. Bush proposed the Columbia Free Trade Agreement, Obama goes to Brazil for a vacation. You call that working for America?

President Obama believes in working to unite not to divide, get used to it you are not going to see him telling Mr. Gorbachev to tear down that wall and you won’t see him standing on the deck of a US Aircraft carrier proclaiming victory.

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Leadership is about doing what is right, not doing anything to promote unification. You think our allies respect Obama? How about our enemies? Leadership obviously is something you don't understand.

Lets see we are in Afghanistan and Iraq, if disposed where do you think he should get the troops from, our economy is in the tank where is the money going to come from? I thought you were for reducing the deficit?

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Reducing the deficit? You mean like cutting it in half by the end of his first term? you do realize he has added more or will have added more to the debt in 3 years than Bush did in 8? Where is the deficit reduction?
Where is the leadership on the budget? We are half way through 2011 and still no fiscal year 2011 budget, where is it? That budget was due last year when Democrats controlled Congress. Guess Obama preferred to delegate authority which leaders can never do.

Get used to it whether you like it or whether I like it the world is changing so is the way that we need to react to the changes, a united effort by all involved is exactly the way that the current and future situations need to be resolved. President Obama understands exactly what his role should be and knows that if he takes charge nothing will change .

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The world is changing, the U.S. lacks the leadership it used to have and our enemies no longer have a reason to fear us. Obama doesn't want to make our enemies mad but instead prefers to alienate our friends.

Real leaders know when to step back, Real leaders know how to lead, we have the right leader in President Obama at the right time

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Let me know when Obama decides to step, he likes being President, when is he going to act like a President. The Obama rhetoric is trumped by the actual results. Where are the jobs promised? where is the deficit reduction? Where are examples of the world loving us? He is nothing more than an empty suite with empty rhetoric trumped by actual results. Let me know how that hope and change is working out of the 15 million Americans now unemployed, 3 million more than when he took office.

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Conservative said:

Right, and he does that by going to Brazil. Bush proposed the Columbia Free Trade Agreement, Obama goes to Brazil for a vacation. You call that working for America?



Leadership is about doing what is right, not doing anything to promote unification. You think our allies respect Obama? How about our enemies? Leadership obviously is something you don't understand.




Reducing the deficit? You mean like cutting it in half by the end of his first term? you do realize he has added more or will have added more to the debt in 3 years than Bush did in 8? Where is the deficit reduction?
Where is the leadership on the budget? We are half way through 2011 and still no fiscal year 2011 budget, where is it? That budget was due last year when Democrats controlled Congress. Guess Obama preferred to delegate authority which leaders can never do.



The world is changing, the U.S. lacks the leadership it used to have and our enemies no longer have a reason to fear us. Obama doesn't want to make our enemies mad but instead prefers to alienate our friends.




Let me know when Obama decides to step, he likes being President, when is he going to act like a President. The Obama rhetoric is trumped by the actual results. Where are the jobs promised? where is the deficit reduction? Where are examples of the world loving us? He is nothing more than an empty suite with empty rhetoric trumped by actual results. Let me know how that hope and change is working out of the 15 million Americans now unemployed, 3 million more than when he took office.

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President Obama could change colors and walk on water and that still would not satisfy some people. This mess we are in did not start on Jan 9, 2009 it has been in the making since Nixon started courting the Chinese and took root in 2001 when we gave them Most Favored Nation status.

In order to resolve a problem you have to identify it, the deficit is a symptom, unemployment is a symptom the root cause is that our manufacting base and many white collor jobs are gone and they are not coming back.

I don't claim to know why we have allowed our work to be out sourced, but the fact is we have and still are, I won't lay any of it on the door step of any political party, maybe the end result of a global based economy will benefit every one but for now our economy is sufferiing the lost of jobs due to it.

Without descent paying jobs the deficit will continue to climb, cutting pay for federal and state employees will act as a stop gap but our recovery depends on jobs for Americans,

Our in fighting will only result in more in fighting, deficit reduction fueled by laying off employees will not fix the problem only increased employment opportunities will

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EarlzP said:

President Obama could change colors and walk on water and that still would not satisfy some people. This mess we are in did not start on Jan 9, 2009 it has been in the making since Nixon started courting the Chinese and took root in 2001 when we gave them Most Favored Nation status.

In order to resolve a problem you have to identify it, the deficit is a symptom, unemployment is a symptom the root cause is that our manufacting base and many white collor jobs are gone and they are not coming back.

I don't claim to know why we have allowed our work to be out sourced, but the fact is we have and still are, I won't lay any of it on the door step of any political party, maybe the end result of a global based economy will benefit every one but for now our economy is sufferiing the lost of jobs due to it.

Without descent paying jobs the deficit will continue to climb, cutting pay for federal and state employees will act as a stop gap but our recovery depends on jobs for Americans,

Our in fighting will only result in more in fighting, deficit reduction fueled by laying off employees will not fix the problem only increased employment opportunities will

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You continue to buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore the Obama results, why? His number one job is to create an atmosphere for the private sector to create jobs, he has failed miserably. Creating public sector jobs is offset by the cost to the taxpayer to fund those jobs, not much of a gain if any.

I am results oriented and the results are there for all to see. Do the research and stop buying the rhetoric.

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from EarlzP

President Obama could change colors and walk on water and that still would not satisfy some people.

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They would rip into him for not swimming like a good white person would.

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Conservative said:

You continue to buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore the Obama results, why? His number one job is to create an atmosphere for the private sector to create jobs, he has failed miserably. Creating public sector jobs is offset by the cost to the taxpayer to fund those jobs, not much of a gain if any.

I am results oriented and the results are there for all to see. Do the research and stop buying the rhetoric.

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Show me the President Obama economic rhetoric I am buying. What atmosphere would you see that would bring the work that has been out sourced back? What atmosphere do you see that would encourage investment in America, if all you can do is point at the deficit you have no solutions. Bringing the deficit under control will not create jobs. I will wait patiently for your responce

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Conservative said:

Obama's goal is a single payer system which is basically the European model(far leftwing) that has failed to lower costs and improve quality. In order to get there he started with Obamacare, that is incrementalism.

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Thaty is because Obama was not able to achieve the goal of a single payer system, which is basically what every advanced nation in the world has except for the US, you know, all those nations that pay less and get more.

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Dittohead not! said:

Thaty is because Obama was not able to achieve the goal of a single payer system, which is basically what every advanced nation in the world has except for the US, you know, all those nations that pay less and get more.

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President Obama's greatest strength may be his greatest weakness, I think as with the health care plan he was to willing to negotiate.He had the ability to push health care through and choose not to take advantage of it

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EarlzP said:

President Obama's greatest strength may be his greatest weakness, I think as with the health care plan he was to willing to negotiate.He had the ability to push health care through and choose not to take advantage of it

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While I would like to have seen him push harder too, what realistically could he have done faced with the conservative opposition? The blue dog democrats allowed the Republicans to shut down a one payer system option.

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EarlzP said:

President Obama's greatest strength may be his greatest weakness, I think as with the health care plan he was to willing to negotiate.He had the ability to push health care through and choose not to take advantage of it

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Again showing he has absolutely zero leadership skills.

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Dittohead not! said:

Thaty is because Obama was not able to achieve the goal of a single payer system, which is basically what every advanced nation in the world has except for the US, you know, all those nations that pay less and get more.

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You mean all those nations trying to dissolve their single payer system and has high tax rates along with people fleeing to this country for healthcare?

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EarlzP said:

Show me the President Obama economic rhetoric I am buying. What atmosphere would you see that would bring the work that has been out sourced back? What atmosphere do you see that would encourage investment in America, if all you can do is point at the deficit you have no solutions. Bringing the deficit under control will not create jobs. I will wait patiently for your responce

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a trillion dollar incentive program for the private sector, not Obamacare, not bailout of unions, not targeted tax cuts. the only way to get out of this mess is to grow your way out of it.