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randel said:
what is so hard to comprehend here for you? services are performed, for which wages are recieved, the employee is aware at the time of being hired , that they will be responsible for dues, they accept this, and are aware that the dues will be deducted from THEIR PAY, PAY THAT THEY HAVE EARNED, much like other deductions, such as federal and state income taxes..nothing is forced, and the union dues, no matter how long and often you want to claim, come from WAGES EARNED BY THE EMPLOYEE, NOT THE TAXPAYERS. I have hope that you will eventually come to understand this.
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What is so hard for you to understand that payment from the taxpayers to the department heads to the unions is taxpayer funding the unions?
 
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Conservative said:
Right, forced union dues as a requirement of employment as unions tell workers what to do with part of their money, money they never see because it is deducted automatically from their pay, thus goes from the taxpayer, to the department head, to the unions. That is taxpayer funding of unions.
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The teachers are supporting the teacher unions. They all made a choice when they applied for the job and accepted the contractual obligations which came with it. They are adults, they can exercise their right to contract as they see fit. If they choose to exercise it by accepting the terms of employment, then that was their choice as an adult and well within their rights.
 
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Conservative said:
What is so hard for you to understand that payment from the taxpayers to the department heads to the unions is taxpayer funding the unions?
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i'm going to keep calling you on this until you quit spouting this bs.....taxpayer pays WAGES to employee, at which point, the taxpayer no longer has any controlling interest in said WAGES, as these WAGES now belong to the EMPLOYEE, to spend howevere they want...THE EMPLOYEE authorizes said department head to send part of these wages as dues to the union....THE MONEY STILL BELONGS TO THE EMPLOYEE, AND PER CONTRACT, THE DUES ARE WITHHELD AND SENT OUT OF WAGES EARNED(hard concept for you to grasp, i know) to the union on behalf of THE EMPLOYEE...just because the department head sends the check covering the dues, doesnt mean that this is taxpayer money.....the dues come out of wages earned.....my god, is this really that hard to understand for you? really?
 
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Conservative said:
People voted for Obama to "clean up the Bush mess" and what we got were worse employment and debt numbers. Neither Clinton or Bush are in office now, you need to get over it.
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I don't need to get over anything. I was merely pointing out the double standard. You folk change your argument based on whether it's a D or an R in office.
 
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randel said:
i'm going to keep calling you on this until you quit spouting this bs.....taxpayer pays WAGES to employee, at which point, the taxpayer no longer has any controlling interest in said WAGES, as these WAGES now belong to the EMPLOYEE, to spend howevere they want...THE EMPLOYEE authorizes said department head to send part of these wages as dues to the union....THE MONEY STILL BELONGS TO THE EMPLOYEE, AND PER CONTRACT, THE DUES ARE WITHHELD AND SENT OUT OF WAGES EARNED(hard concept for you to grasp, i know) to the union on behalf of THE EMPLOYEE...just because the department head sends the check covering the dues, doesnt mean that this is taxpayer money.....the dues come out of wages earned.....my god, is this really that hard to understand for you? really?
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This is true. But they have a political agenda they want to push and to push it they want to be able to say that the teacher's unions are supported by tax payer money. So in order to accomplish that goal, they will continue to claim that it is taxpayer money going to the union's instead of the teacher's money which it most clearly is. It won't change, it's a willful ignorance in order to engineer an argument to the outcome they wish to claim.
 
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Ikari said:
Unless the person in charge is Bush, then it's Clinton's fault.
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If McCain had run on the same type of platform as Obama (reducing debt, increasing jobs, etc etc etc) and had failed this miserably, I'd be sitting here blaming McCain, not Bush.
 
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Ikari said:
This is true. But they have a political agenda they want to push and to push it they want to be able to say that the teacher's unions are supported by tax payer money. So in order to accomplish that goal, they will continue to claim that it is taxpayer money going to the union's instead of the teacher's money which it most clearly is. It won't change, it's a willful ignorance in order to engineer an argument to the outcome they wish to claim.
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i absolutely agree...i gave an expample earlier of going down to the local deli, buying a pound of roast beef, paying the owner of the deli, then turning around and saying 'oh, by the way, since i keep you in business with my patronage of your establishment, i don't want you spending the money i gave you on x or y, as that money came from me, and i control its use'.....i really don't think that would go over well with the owner, and he would rightfully tell me to piss off.
 
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Whovian said:
If McCain had run on the same type of platform as Obama (reducing debt, increasing jobs, etc etc etc) and had failed this miserably, I'd be sitting here blaming McCain, not Bush.
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Fair enough, we'll take it at face value. I don't understand why anyone believed Obama when he was running. I said he's a Chicago politician and we won't get anything drastically different from Bush. And lo and behold, that's what happened.
 
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Ikari said:
Fair enough, we'll take it at face value. I don't understand why anyone believed Obama when he was running. I said he's a Chicago politician and we won't get anything drastically different from Bush. And lo and behold, that's what happened.
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I do not disagree with anything you just said.
 
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Ikari said:
I don't need to get over anything. I was merely pointing out the double standard. You folk change your argument based on whether it's a D or an R in office.
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It has been the same argument over and over, results matter not the R or D after the name.
 
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Conservative said:
It has been the same argument over and over, results matter not the R or D after the name.
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I would certainly agree, however that is not how the game is typically played. It's mostly just a partisan crap fest.
 
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Conservative said:
Here is what your article ignores and why it lacks credibility, from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Employment Numbers

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
2011 139323 139573

Now what your article fails to point out is that when Bush took office there were 137.8 million people employed and when he left it was 142.2 million or a net increase in jobs.

Obama takes office with 142.2 million employed and today that is 139.3 million. Why don't you tell BLS that they got the data wrong because your article claims 3 million jobs created when thes reality is 4.4 million net jobs created as the employment numbers show.
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What you fail to realize and my report recognizes is the population of the U.S. grew 22 million people. I guess math wasn't your strong subject...

BTW, I called it, I knew a data dump was just around the corner. :lamo
 
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pbrauer said:
What you fail to realize and my report recognizes is the population of the U.S. grew 22 million people. I guess math wasn't your strong subject...

BTW, I called it, I knew a data dump was just around the corner. :lamo
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Right and the population of the country stopped growing when Obama took office. That is liberal logic and partisanship. You just cannot admit that the empty suit you supported is a failure.
 
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Mean while back on topic. It looks like there is one honest judge that isnt under the thumb of the repug thugs in Wisconsin.

<Judge temporarily blocks implementation of public union law>



Madison — Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi issued a temporary restraining order Friday, halting Gov. Scott Walker's law that would sharply curtail collective bargaining for public employees.


It seems to me the public policy behind effective enforcement of the open meeting law is so strong that it does outweigh the interest, at least at this time, which may exist in favor of sustaining the validity of the (collective bargaining law)," she said.


Judge temporarily blocks implementation of public union law - JSOnline
 
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donc said:
Mean while back on topic. It looks like there is one honest judge that isnt under the thumb of the repug thugs in Wisconsin.

<Judge temporarily blocks implementation of public union law>

Madison — Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi issued a temporary restraining order Friday, halting Gov. Scott Walker's law that would sharply curtail collective bargaining for public employees.


It seems to me the public policy behind effective enforcement of the open meeting law is so strong that it does outweigh the interest, at least at this time, which may exist in favor of sustaining the validity of the (collective bargaining law)," she said.


Judge temporarily blocks implementation of public union law - JSOnline
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Maybe Walker should pull an "Obama" and ignore the order like Obama has done with the Healthcare order as well as the drilling moratorium reversal. Apparently those judgeswere activists Judges whereas the one in Wisconsin was doing the will of the people, right, Donc?
 
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Conservative said:
Maybe Walker should pull an "Obama" and ignore the order like Obama has done with the Healthcare order as well as the drilling moratorium reversal. Apparently those judgeswere activists Judges whereas the one in Wisconsin was doing the will of the people, right, Donc?
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Kinda looks like this judge knows when there is a violation of the states open meetings law.:2wave:
 
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donc said:
Kinda looks like this judge knows when there is a violation of the states open meetings law.:2wave:
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Let's see if they do a re-vote or will the Democrats run again?
 
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Conservative said:
Let's see if they do a re-vote or will the Democrats run again?
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Good, let it roll, that recall petition is filling faster than expected. Gotta lot of the repugs thinking of another line of work.:rock
 
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donc said:
Good, let it roll, that recall petition is filling faster than expected. Gotta lot of the repugs thinking of another line of work.:rock
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Are the dead signing the petitions? How many "wisconsin" voters are being bused in by the union thugs from other parts of the country?
 
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Conservative said:
Are the dead signing the petitions? How many "wisconsin" voters are being bused in by the union thugs from other parts of the country?
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Probably a lot more than were on the Koch Birchers bus used for the counter protest. Of course they woulda fit in a mini-van.:mrgreen:
 
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donc said:
Probably a lot more than were on the Koch Birchers bus used for the counter protest. Of course they woulda fit in a mini-van.:mrgreen:
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Are you going to be like most liberals, run when the outcome isn't what you expected?
 
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Conservative said:
Are you going to be like most liberals, run when the outcome isn't what you expected?
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Do I look like a runner in your eyes?
 
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Meanwhile back in Wisconsin.

<Democratic state party chairman Mike Tate said $940,000 has been donated to the party during the past week for recall efforts>

WOW, pretty impressive for only a weeks work.

Attempts to unseat senators could be historic
 
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donc said:
Meanwhile back in Wisconsin.

<Democratic state party chairman Mike Tate said $940,000 has been donated to the party during the past week for recall efforts>

WOW, pretty impressive for only a weeks work.

Attempts to unseat senators could be historic
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I'll say! "even a couple of recall elections in the same year against state legislators would be historic — Wisconsin has seen only four recall elections against state legislators in the 85 years since the state began allowing them."
 
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donc said:
Meanwhile back in Wisconsin.

<Democratic state party chairman Mike Tate said $940,000 has been donated to the party during the past week for recall efforts>

WOW, pretty impressive for only a weeks work.

Attempts to unseat senators could be historic
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Guess you all need something to get excited about to divert from that lack of leadership by Obama. I believe you all are going to be extremely disappointed when you find out where the money is coming from and how many of those signing the petitions are out of district and thus disqualified. Liberal thugs will do anything to destroy individuals that go against the unions many of which are no different than the Mafia.
 
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