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Conservative said:
Right, 142.2 million employed in January 2009 vs 139.4 million employed today, put that into context? Why are they what they are? Hmmm, could it be that the Obama economic plan was and is a disaster?
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There are multiple factors that affect employment and employment is not always a direct indicator of the state/recovery of the economy. In fact, unemployment can continue to fall while the economy is recovering. In other words, an economic recovery does not just give business all the money they need to start hiring people. For those numbers to mean something, you have to show how Obama's economic plan directly caused unemployment to fall. Correlation =/=causation.
 
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randel said:
prime example right here of what you do...you just threw numbers out there...yes, i would like to see you put that into context, it would be refreshing.
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Context is that when Obama took office there were 142.2 million employed Americans. After spending over a trillion dollars there are 139.4 million employed Americans. Never in the history of this country has employment been this bad after spending so much money to solve the problem. Guess that isn't the context you want to hear.
 
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theplaydrive said:
There are multiple factors that affect employment and employment is not always a direct indicator of the state/recovery of the economy. In fact, unemployment can continue to fall while the economy is recovering. In other words, an economic recovery does not just give business all the money they need to start hiring people. For those numbers to mean something, you have to show how Obama's economic plan directly caused unemployment to fall. Correlation =/=causation.
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Obama's economic policy did not allow employment to grow as it was focused on the public sector with targeted tax policy. The best comparision I can make is the recession Obama had vs. the recession Reagan had. IMO Reagan's was worse because of 17+% interest rates and double digit inflation. Two years after the recession began we had both economic growth and job creation. Two years after the recession ended we still have fewer people working than we had when Obama took office. That is hardly a success.
 
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Conservative said:
Context is that when Obama took office there were 142.2 million employed Americans. After spending over a trillion dollars there are 139.4 million employed Americans. Never in the history of this country has employment been this bad after spending so much money to solve the problem. Guess that isn't the context you want to hear.
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shows that you have no idea why the numbers are what they are, what factors contributed to them, ....saying that it is obamas fault isnt explaining the underlying factors...nor showing that you understand them.
 
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randel said:
shows that you have no idea why the numbers are what they are, what factors contributed to them, ....saying that it is obamas fault isnt explaining the underlying factors...nor showing that you understand them.
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Then tell me why they are what they are now after spending a trillion dollars to create jobs?
 
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Conservative said:
Then tell me why they are what they are now after spending a trillion dollars to create jobs?
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uh...no...you are the one that put the numbers up, do your homework, then explain to me what you think they mean...i'll give ya a hint, it is more complicated than 'it's obama's fault'.....
 
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randel said:
uh...no...you are the one that put the numbers up, do your homework, then explain to me what you think they mean...i'll give ya a hint, it is more complicated than 'it's obama's fault'.....
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Very simple, it means the Obama economic plan was a disaster. No one blames Obama for the recession, just the economic policy that failed to create the promised jobs and in fact has fewer people employed today than when he took office. That is a failure by any definition. It has been well over two years and what do we have to show for all that spending?
 
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Conservative said:
Very simple, it means the Obama economic plan was a disaster. No one blames Obama for the recession, just the economic policy that failed to create the promised jobs and in fact has fewer people employed today than when he took office. That is a failure by any definition. It has been well over two years and what do we have to show for all that spending?
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1. Explain how Obama's economic plan increased unemployment.
2. What are all the factors that contribute to unemployment rate after a recession?
 
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theplaydrive said:
1. Explain how Obama's economic plan increased unemployment.
2. What are all the factors that contribute to unemployment rate after a recession?
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It didn't increase employment, it did nothing to provide incentive to the private sector to create jobs. What did we spend a trillion dollars for? What did he add 3.5 trillion to the debt for?

I am more concerned about employment than unemployment. Employment generates tax revenue and is the sign of a growing economy. there are almost 3 million fewer employed today than in January 2009 and he spent trillions to generate those numbers. When are you and others going to hold him accountable for failure?
 
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Conservative said:
Very simple, it means the Obama economic plan was a disaster. No one blames Obama for the recession, just the economic policy that failed to create the promised jobs and in fact has fewer people employed today than when he took office. That is a failure by any definition. It has been well over two years and what do we have to show for all that spending?
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lol...what did i say?? see the hint i gave you, saying that it is obama's fault isnt going to cut it...do your research....you claim to be an expert on anything economic, this should be a slam dunk for you.
 
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randel said:
lol...what did i say?? see the hint i gave you, saying that it is obama's fault isnt going to cut it...do your research....you claim to be an expert on anything economic, this should be a slam dunk for you.
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Another one line response that is nothing more than trolling. I gave you the answer, you didn't like the answer, tough.
 
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Conservative said:
Another one line response that is nothing more than trolling. I gave you the answer, you didn't like the answer, tough.
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strike two....looked like the curveball fooled him , he is now behind 0-2 in the count....try again...a hint...IT IS OBAMA'S FAULT WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED AS AN ANSWER.......
 
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Conservative said:
It didn't increase employment, it did nothing to provide incentive to the private sector to create jobs. What did we spend a trillion dollars for? What did he add 3.5 trillion to the debt for?

I am more concerned about employment than unemployment. Employment generates tax revenue and is the sign of a growing economy. there are almost 3 million fewer employed today than in January 2009 and he spent trillions to generate those numbers. When are you and others going to hold him accountable for failure?
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When you prove that he failed...
 
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theplaydrive said:
When you prove that he failed...
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I don't have to prove it, the numbers do it for me. Why can't you admit what the numbers show? Is this what you expected when you voted for Obama? Why did we add 3.5 trillion to the debt to get these numbers which apparently are good enough for you?
 
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Conservative said:
I don't have to prove it, the numbers do it for me. Why can't you admit what the numbers show? Is this what you expected when you voted for Obama? Why did we add 3.5 trillion to the debt to get these numbers which apparently are good enough for you?
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Correlation =/= causation. You have showed me correlation. I am asking you to show me causation.
 
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theplaydrive said:
Correlation =/= causation. You have showed me correlation. I am asking you to show me causation.
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Love that term from liberals when they cannot defend their position. Causation is the failure of Obama to offer a pro growth economic policy that didn't create jobs.
 
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Conservative said:
Love that term from liberals when they cannot defend their position. Causation is the failure of Obama to offer a pro growth economic policy that didn't create jobs.
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STRIKE THREE!! conservative stood there like the house by the side of the road....again, saying it is obamas fault isnt gonna cut it.....
 
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randel said:
STRIKE THREE!! conservative stood there like the house by the side of the road....again, saying it is obamas fault isnt gonna cut it.....
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Allah forbid we blame the person in charge, right?
 
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Conservative said:
that is absolutely true, public union employees are paid by the taxpayer and forced to participate in the union if they want the job thus have no choice but to contribute some of their taxpayer funded paycheck to the unions. Logic 101 says taxpayer funds are going to the unions.
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Logic 101 says that part of the teachers salary (which is their's, not the taxpayers) are going to the unions.
 
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Whovian said:
Allah forbid we blame the person in charge, right?
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Unless the person in charge is Bush, then it's Clinton's fault.
 
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Ikari said:
Logic 101 says that part of the teachers salary (which is their's, not the taxpayers) are going to the unions.
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Right, forced union dues as a requirement of employment as unions tell workers what to do with part of their money, money they never see because it is deducted automatically from their pay, thus goes from the taxpayer, to the department head, to the unions. That is taxpayer funding of unions.
 
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Ikari said:
Unless the person in charge is Bush, then it's Clinton's fault.
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People voted for Obama to "clean up the Bush mess" and what we got were worse employment and debt numbers. Neither Clinton or Bush are in office now, you need to get over it.
 
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Whovian said:
Allah forbid we blame the person in charge, right?
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Right and Obama ran for almost two years for the job he got saying he had the fix and here we are two years after he took office and the employment is less than it was when he took office and the debt numbers almost as bad as the entire Bush 8 year term. Apparently that is the "Hope and Change" liberals voted for.
 
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Conservative said:
Right, forced union dues as a requirement of employment as unions tell workers what to do with part of their money, money they never see because it is deducted automatically from their pay, thus goes from the taxpayer, to the department head, to the unions. That is taxpayer funding of unions.
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what is so hard to comprehend here for you? services are performed, for which wages are recieved, the employee is aware at the time of being hired , that they will be responsible for dues, they accept this, and are aware that the dues will be deducted from THEIR PAY, PAY THAT THEY HAVE EARNED, much like other deductions, such as federal and state income taxes..nothing is forced, and the union dues, no matter how long and often you want to claim, come from WAGES EARNED BY THE EMPLOYEE, NOT THE TAXPAYERS. I have hope that you will eventually come to understand this.
 
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randel said:
STRIKE THREE!! conservative stood there like the house by the side of the road....again, saying it is obamas fault isnt gonna cut it.....
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How's this for leadership?

CBO: Obama understates deficits by $2.3 trillion - Yahoo! Finance

Poor leadership is a cause for new employment being created and poor leadership is why we don't even have a budget for the current fiscal year which is now almost half over. Poor leadership skills were shown in the Obama resume but you and others ignored it because you bought the flowery rhetoric. Now the rest of the country is paying for the ignorance of so many.
 
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