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Conservative said:
You have yet to prove anyone wrong on any issue but you do cheerlead a lot. How does the union dues get paid by the teachers in Wisconsin? Do they write a check or have it automatically deducted and sent to the union? Let me answer it for you, it is a payroll deduction thus taxpayer money goes directly to the unions as the employee never gets the money even though part of his/her compensation.
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feel like i'm talking to a brick wall...maybe i am...this has been explained to you over and over, keep ignoring it and keep making yourself look foolish
 
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randel said:
feel like i'm talking to a brick wall...maybe i am...this has been explained to you over and over, keep ignoring it and keep making yourself look foolish
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I can see why you work for a union, do you know what a payroll deduction is? The income earner doesn't see the money,only the deduction in the paycheck. That money goes directly from the employer to the unions and the employer gets the money from the taxpayer. Pretty simple concept that seems to go right over your head.
 
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Whovian said:
sorry, but you're full of a smelly brown substance...

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You don't add the $3 trillion cost of the two decade long wars we are fighting and put on the tab, I see.
 
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Conservative said:
I can see why you work for a union, do you know what a payroll deduction is? The income earner doesn't see the money,only the deduction in the paycheck. That money goes directly from the employer to the unions and the employer gets the money from the taxpayer. Pretty simple concept that seems to go right over your head.
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Then why does anyone care how much Wisconsin teachers put into their pension fund? Or pay toward their health insurance? It's all taxpayer money anyway...yes? No.

Oh, God, why did I even bother????? :rofl :rofl :rofl
 
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MaggieD said:
Then why does anyone care how much Wisconsin teachers put into their pension fund? Or pay toward their health insurance? It's all taxpayer money anyway...yes? No.
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It is indeed taxpayer money but less of it goes into the retirement and healthcare accounts. Right now not only are the taxpayers funding the union employees but also 100% of their healthcare and pensions, or double dipping.
 
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Conservative said:
It is indeed taxpayer money but less of it goes into the retirement and healthcare accounts. Right now not only are the taxpayers funding the union employees but also 100% of their healthcare and pensions, or double dipping.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl

You're a hoot, my friend. A reeeeel hoot.
 
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Conservative said:
I can see why you work for a union, do you know what a payroll deduction is? The income earner doesn't see the money,only the deduction in the paycheck. That money goes directly from the employer to the unions and the employer gets the money from the taxpayer. Pretty simple concept that seems to go right over your head.
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again, showing your ignorance here...i don't work for a union, i belong to a union....do you understand what a payroll deduction is? those wages have been EARNED...THEY BELONG TO THE PERSON BEING PAID....THAT PERSON UNDERSTANDS WHEN THEY HIRE IN THAT THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DUES.....THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR DUES WILL BE DEDUCTED FROM THEIR PAYCHECK, MUCH LIKE FEDERAL INCOME TAX, SOCIAL SECURITY .....not understanding why you have such a hard time understanding this, and to continue to claim that the employer is paying the employee's union dues , when this is coming out of wages the employee has EARNED, THAT THE EMPLOYER HAS NO CLAIM TO...you are making yourself look foolish.
 
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randel said:
again, showing your ignorance here...i don't work for a union, i belong to a union....do you understand what a payroll deduction is? those wages have been EARNED...THEY BELONG TO THE PERSON BEING PAID....THAT PERSON UNDERSTANDS WHEN THEY HIRE IN THAT THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DUES.....THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR DUES WILL BE DEDUCTED FROM THEIR PAYCHECK, MUCH LIKE FEDERAL INCOME TAX, SOCIAL SECURITY .....not understanding why you have such a hard time understanding this, and to continue to claim that the employer is paying the employee's union dues , when this is coming out of wages the employee has EARNED, THAT THE EMPLOYER HAS NO CLAIM TO...you are making yourself look foolish.
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LOL, you definitely work for a union. The money never gets to the employee, it is a payroll deduction and comes right from the employer who gets the money from the taxpayer. Pretty simple concept and I don't see anyone but the braindead thinking that I am looking foolish. The issue is taxpayer money going directly to the unions and since the union employee doesn't see the money that is exactly what happens. Walker's bill will require the union employees to write a check for their union dues, good for him.
 
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Conservative said:
that is absolutely true, public union employees are paid by the taxpayer and forced to participate in the union if they want the job thus have no choice but to contribute some of their taxpayer funded paycheck to the unions. Logic 101 says taxpayer funds are going to the unions.
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Then should I send a pm off to Captain Courtesy saying that you agreed to a True Debate within the parameters of the Battle Grounds and Disputations forum rules?
 
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Catawba said:
You don't add the $3 trillion cost of the two decade long wars we are fighting and put on the tab, I see.
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Man you are plain over the top when it comes to rhetoric....first I remember libs saying that the wars cost $500 billion, then a trillion, now you just throw out there $3 trillion....haha, hell why not just say a gazillion dollars.....Since we are talking meaningless terms.....lol


j-mac
 
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donc said:
Then should I send a pm off to Captain Courtesy saying that you agreed to a True Debate within the parameters of the Battle Grounds and Disputations forum rules?
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Nope, have no interest in a one on one with you as you haven't proven yourself worthy of my time.
 
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j-mac said:
Man you are plain over the top when it comes to rhetoric....first I remember libs saying that the wars cost $500 billion, then a trillion, now you just throw out there $3 trillion....haha, hell why not just say a gazillion dollars.....Since we are talking meaningless terms.....lol
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Here you go: The three trillion dollar war | Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes - Times Online

Catch up, we were up to $3 trillion in 2008.
 
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j-mac said:
Man you are plain over the top when it comes to rhetoric....first I remember libs saying that the wars cost $500 billion, then a trillion, now you just throw out there $3 trillion....haha, hell why not just say a gazillion dollars.....Since we are talking meaningless terms.....lol


j-mac
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Its bargain decade on wars, now were going in on a no fly zone over Libya…remember how the last how the last one panned out?:(
 
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Conservative said:
LOL, you definitely work for a union. The money never gets to the employee, it is a payroll deduction and comes right from the employer who gets the money from the taxpayer. Pretty simple concept and I don't see anyone but the braindead thinking that I am looking foolish. The issue is taxpayer money going directly to the unions and since the union employee doesn't see the money that is exactly what happens. Walker's bill will require the union employees to write a check for their union dues, good for him.
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trust me my friend, you are making yourself look foolish...the dues that are being sent to the union are being sent on BEHALF OF AN EMPLOYEE(S), OUT OF WAGES THAT HAVE BEEN EARNED, WAGES WHICH THE TAXPAYERS HAVE NO CLAIM OVER...just because the government sends the union a check to cover these dues, doesnt mean the money has reverted back to the government/taxpayers, it still is being paid out of wages THAT HAVE BEEN EARNED, AND AGAIN, THAT THE GOVERNMENT/TAXPAYERS HAVE NO CLAIM OVER. seriously, what is so hard here for you to understand? do you go to your local deli, get a pound of roast beef, pay the owner the cost of that roast beef, then turn around and tell him that since the money is coming from you, that he can't spend it how he pleases? do you get to put restrictions on how he spends it? i don't think so.
 
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Catawba said:
Here you go: The three trillion dollar war | Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Bilmes - Times Online

Catch up, we were up to $3 trillion in 2008.
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Don't give me that neo-Socialist, Columbia glitteratti, Clinton reject. Who the hell care what this piece of trash thinks? The cost of the war's can be argued to be closing in on a trillion maybe, but not $3 trillion. This guy is a hack with a capital H


j-mac
 
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Conservative said:
Nope, have no interest in a one on one with you as you haven't proven yourself worthy of my time.
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man up conservative, man up
 
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randel said:
man up conservative, man up
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Puhleeze. You'd better get several more posters on your side just to make it a fair debate.


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Don't give me that neo-Socialist, Columbia glitteratti, Clinton reject. Who the hell care what this piece of trash thinks? The cost of the war's can be argued to be closing in on a trillion maybe, but not $3 trillion. This guy is a hack with a capital H


j-mac
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I had Stiglitz as a professor once in CBS.
Now, he's really smart and knows his ****, but there's denying that he's prettay prettay prettay pretty liberal.
 
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j-mac said:
Puhleeze. You'd better get several more posters on your side just to make it a fair debate.


j-mac
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don has called him out, challenged him to a one on one debate....i'd put my money on don
 
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iamitter said:
I had Stiglitz as a professor once in CBS.
Now, he's really smart and knows his ****, but there's denying that he's prettay prettay prettay pretty liberal.
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No one said he wasn't smart. The best con men usually are.


j-mac
 
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Conservative said:
Nope, have no interest in a one on one with you as you haven't proven yourself worthy of my time.
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Got it… You'd rather stay up here and post BS.:monkey
 
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Conservative said:
LOL, you definitely work for a union. The money never gets to the employee, it is a payroll deduction and comes right from the employer who gets the money from the taxpayer. Pretty simple concept and I don't see anyone but the braindead thinking that I am looking foolish. The issue is taxpayer money going directly to the unions and since the union employee doesn't see the money that is exactly what happens. Walker's bill will require the union employees to write a check for their union dues, good for him.
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Don't you ever get tired of making stuff up, conservative?
 
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j-mac said:
Don't give me that neo-Socialist, Columbia glitteratti, Clinton reject. Who the hell care what this piece of trash thinks? The cost of the war's can be argued to be closing in on a trillion maybe, but not $3 trillion. This guy is a hack with a capital H


j-mac
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Show me where their numbers are wrong, if you can? Otherwise you will be ignored.
 
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randel said:
once more, a service was performed, the money received was called WAGES...the taxpayers have no claim to this money ....they are paying for services rendered. you sure seem to have a hard time comprehending this.
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and that money (union dues) is then used to get even more money from the taxpayers. It's like paying someone to rob you.
 
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Conservative said:
Unions force payment of dues, what part of that don't you understand? Your support of unions and total ignorance of business as well as logic is quite telling.
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You'd think they'd at least agree that joining a union should be a choice.
 
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