Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi
conceited? how so?
You are assuming people didn't freely choose to enter the contract. They did. People do have the ability to think for themselves, believe it or not.
That's right, in today's world though who knows what contract law even is anymore, after Obama got done trashing it.
Government in general likes to trash contract if it is advantageous for them or their buddies (like the airlines, remember that one, the CEO bailouts, remember that one, nixing pension plans, remember that one?).
Why can't a teacher negotiate their own contract personally?
They can try. There is certainly a valid discussion to be had over whether or not someone should be able to decline union involvement. But as I said, they should be free to do so but they should also not reap the benefits which came from unions. You shouldn't get something for free. The Union is made for the very purpose of contract negotioation over compensation for labor. You collectivize the labor market to increase one's individual ability to argue for better compensation for labor. Unions are not inherently a bad thing. People have right of association and right to contract, and Union is merely these things together. It can go to bad places, just like government can. In the end, Unions become sort of a necessary evil; just like government. You do have to control it to make sure it continues to properly work for the reasons why it was created in the first place. But at the base, there's nothing wrong with Unions.
And there is the "forced" argument. Either join the union, or flip burgers.
You can teach elsewhere, private schools and such. No one is forced. This is the same bad argument people used to get those smoking bans passed. Oh people are in the bar and blah blah blah. But they choose to go to the bar or choose to work at the bar. They could have just as easily not done these things. There is no forcing. There is a job, there is a contract associated with the job. If you want the job, you agree to the contract.
Oh nice, either join or forget the job. And they say unions don't strong arm....
That is the terms of contract. We are adults and we can enter into any contract we wish to. If you want the job, you agree to the terms of contract. That's that. You don't have to, you can look for jobs elsewhere which may not require that same choice. Hell, there's no unions in public universities.
yeah, but it's not really a choice as you portray it either.
It is very much a choice made by an adult exercising their right to contract.
Your argument fly's out the window with 2 aspects...1. Card check - if that passes then you can not agree to it, and still be forced to vote for it. 2. When you declare "end of story" you have lost the argument.
j-mac
This is just deflection. End of story is end of story. It's the reality of the system and the choices available in the real world system.