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But how much have they won because of the union?

How much has the non-union taxpayer lost because of the union?
 
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You got me there, $11,000 given by unions? That obviously put him over the top. You just cannot admit that you are wrong.

WALKER, SCOTT | Follow The Money

Tom Barrett, Democrat

BARRETT, TOM | Follow The Money

You said this "Want to bet that their union dues went to the Scott Walker campaign? "I was willing to show you, yet again, where their union dues went.

Anyway, the majority of the Police and firefighters had the good sense to not support the sociopath.
 
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Of courses it would be ok if it went to a Republican that was sympathetic to unions, like the four police and fire dept locals that backed Walker.:roll:

You mean the four out of over 300?
 
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You said this "Want to bet that their union dues went to the Scott Walker campaign? "I was willing to show you, yet again, where their union dues went.

Anyway, the majority of the Police and firefighters had the good sense to not support the sociopath.

And you continue to ignore the closed shop in Wisconsin and how much unions gave to Democrats all in an attempt to influence the election. Didn't work then and won't work now on the recall, but good luck bankrupting Wisconsin. I know that will make all the union employees happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4PwZCWUdg&feature=player_embedded
 
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And you continue to ignore the closed shop in Wisconsin and how much unions gave to Democrats all in an attempt to influence the election. Didn't work then and won't work now on the recall, but good luck bankrupting Wisconsin. I know that will make all the union employees happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4PwZCWUdg&feature=player_embedded

Not as much as the coke bros dumped in wi.
 
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You said this "Want to bet that their union dues went to the Scott Walker campaign? "I was willing to show you, yet again, where their union dues went.

Anyway, the majority of the Police and firefighters had the good sense to not support the sociopath.

when you use terms like sociopath to describe people that disagree with you, it reflect more on your own shortcomings then it does theirs.
 
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Not as much as the coke bros dumped in wi.

he he he........
 

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Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

when you use terms like sociopath to describe people that disagree with you, it reflect more on your own shortcomings then it does theirs.


Just an observation I make from looking at them dead, cold ,Nixon like eyes when he speaks.
 
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Not as much as the coke bros dumped in wi.

That's not true. Check out the links.
 
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Not as much as the coke bros dumped in wi.

You mean Koch? Did any of Koch's money come in the form of taxes paid by the taxpayers? Keep trying to defend the indefensible.
 
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Barrett, 8 of the 10 top contributers were Labor Unions. Nah, he wouldn't have owed them any favors had he been elected.

By liberal standards that is good use of taxpayer money.
 
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Not as much as the coke bros dumped in wi.

Really ???

Post a comparison of the Koch Bros. campaign contributions compared to the unions.

Go ahead, I dare you. But I won't hold my breath since it will reveal the size of the lie you told.
 
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he he he........

Wow, Wisconsin was for sale for a paltry $43,000. ??? Wish I'd known. I could have bought a great place to hunt and fish.
 
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WORKERS $86,256 1.55% Labor See Records INTERNATIONAL UNION OF PAINTERS & ALLIED TRADES $43,528 0.78% Labor See Records ELECTRICAL WORKERS $43,000 0.77% Labor See Records WISCONSIN AFSCME $42,100 0.76% Labor See Records WISCONSIN LABORERS DISTRICT COUNCIL $35,400 0.64% Labor See Records WISCONSIN DEMOCRATIC PARTY $33,640 0.60% Party See Records WISCONSIN DENTAL ASSOCIATION $32,500 0.58% Health See Records WISCONSIN COMMUNICATIONS WORKERS $22,500 0.40% Labor See Records WISCONSIN FEDERATION OF TEACHERS $18,000 0.32% Labor See Records WISCONSIN FEDERATION OF NURSES & HEALTH PROFESSIONALS $11,550 0.21% Labor

BARRETT, TOM | Follow The Money

All but 2 are from labor unions. The very first one is DOUBLE the 43,000 donated by Koch ind.
 
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Really ???

Post a comparison of the Koch Bros. campaign contributions compared to the unions.

Go ahead, I dare you. But I won't hold my breath since it will reveal the size of the lie you told.

He can't nor will he, but the site is quite telling. Keep running, Donc!

Civil Servants/Public Officials $236,615

Then look at the union contributions over and above the public officials. 43,000 for Koch and over 500,000 from unions and public employees. Sounds quite fair to me, LOL
 
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WORKERS $86,256 1.55% Labor See Records INTERNATIONAL UNION OF PAINTERS & ALLIED TRADES $43,528 0.78% Labor See Records ELECTRICAL WORKERS $43,000 0.77% Labor See Records WISCONSIN AFSCME $42,100 0.76% Labor See Records WISCONSIN LABORERS DISTRICT COUNCIL $35,400 0.64% Labor See Records WISCONSIN DEMOCRATIC PARTY $33,640 0.60% Party See Records WISCONSIN DENTAL ASSOCIATION $32,500 0.58% Health See Records WISCONSIN COMMUNICATIONS WORKERS $22,500 0.40% Labor See Records WISCONSIN FEDERATION OF TEACHERS $18,000 0.32% Labor See Records WISCONSIN FEDERATION OF NURSES & HEALTH PROFESSIONALS $11,550 0.21% Labor

BARRETT, TOM | Follow The Money

All but 2 are from labor unions. The very first one is DOUBLE the 43,000 donated by Koch ind.

No wonder labor is really upset, a very poor return on their investment.
 
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Of courses it would be ok if it went to a Republican that was sympathetic to unions, like the four police and fire dept locals that backed Walker.:roll:

Not sure what that means, but the point which your not acknowledging is that the "taxpayer funded" is an accurate statement - whether or not the money changes hands or owners from the tax payer dollar, through to the public coffers, into the teacher and then back out to the union and ultimately back to the politician (Republican or Democrat it doesn't matter), if you follow the money it's a fairly easy discussion to have.
 
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How much has the non-union taxpayer lost because of the union?

Not much. I'm not really hurting because of unions as much as I am because of improper government.
 
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So they cannot keep their job unless they pay their union dues ... I agree they have a choice, I'm not arguing they don't.

So taxpayer money goes to the public sector via a line item in the budget in the form of public teacher salary - a portion (%) of that salary then is required to go to the union in the form of dues (or the teacher can quit and that portion will not go to the union), and the union then uses that money for various thing, one of them being support for Democrats elections who are sympathetic towards the unions.

So follow the money... :shrug:

I follow the property. Ownership is 9/10's the law. The money stops being taxpayer money as soon as it is used as compensation for an individual's labor.
 
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:confused: conceited? how so?

You are assuming people didn't freely choose to enter the contract. They did. People do have the ability to think for themselves, believe it or not.

That's right, in today's world though who knows what contract law even is anymore, after Obama got done trashing it.

Government in general likes to trash contract if it is advantageous for them or their buddies (like the airlines, remember that one, the CEO bailouts, remember that one, nixing pension plans, remember that one?).

Why can't a teacher negotiate their own contract personally?

They can try. There is certainly a valid discussion to be had over whether or not someone should be able to decline union involvement. But as I said, they should be free to do so but they should also not reap the benefits which came from unions. You shouldn't get something for free. The Union is made for the very purpose of contract negotioation over compensation for labor. You collectivize the labor market to increase one's individual ability to argue for better compensation for labor. Unions are not inherently a bad thing. People have right of association and right to contract, and Union is merely these things together. It can go to bad places, just like government can. In the end, Unions become sort of a necessary evil; just like government. You do have to control it to make sure it continues to properly work for the reasons why it was created in the first place. But at the base, there's nothing wrong with Unions.

And there is the "forced" argument. Either join the union, or flip burgers.

You can teach elsewhere, private schools and such. No one is forced. This is the same bad argument people used to get those smoking bans passed. Oh people are in the bar and blah blah blah. But they choose to go to the bar or choose to work at the bar. They could have just as easily not done these things. There is no forcing. There is a job, there is a contract associated with the job. If you want the job, you agree to the contract.

Oh nice, either join or forget the job. And they say unions don't strong arm....

That is the terms of contract. We are adults and we can enter into any contract we wish to. If you want the job, you agree to the terms of contract. That's that. You don't have to, you can look for jobs elsewhere which may not require that same choice. Hell, there's no unions in public universities.

yeah, but it's not really a choice as you portray it either.

It is very much a choice made by an adult exercising their right to contract.

Your argument fly's out the window with 2 aspects...1. Card check - if that passes then you can not agree to it, and still be forced to vote for it. 2. When you declare "end of story" you have lost the argument.

j-mac

This is just deflection. End of story is end of story. It's the reality of the system and the choices available in the real world system.
 
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And go to a Charter school or private school that doesn't require union dues.

Exactly. People want to drama queen this up and pretend that there are no choices. But there are plenty of choices, plain and simple.
 
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National Poll Shows Support for Wisconsin Governor -- TAMPA, Fla., March 11, 2011 /PRNewswire/ --

TAMPA, Fla., March 11, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- The Free Enterprise Nation (FEN) today released the results of a national poll that shows strong support for Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker among Independent voters. The poll of voters outside of Wisconsin, taken from March 3rd to March 9th, included 500 Democrat, 500 Republican and 500 Independent voters.

FEN spokesman, Jim MacDougald stated that "This poll contradicts some of the other polls we've seen. According to our poll, 95% of Republicans agree with the Governor, and 92% of Democrats agree with the union. There is not much of a surprise there. But 66% of Independent voters agree with the Governor, and this group is what swings most elections."

The support for the Governor's position was even stronger when the question specifically addressed his plan to require teachers to pay 5.8% of their salary toward their pension and 12.6% of their health insurance costs, with 71% of all respondents saying that measure was fair.

When asked if it is good public policy to allow public sector workers to retire at age 55 or earlier, 61% of all voters said "no", and they were evenly divided when asked if public sector employees should be allowed to unionize with 48% against, 48% for, and 4% undecided.

Full poll results are available at The Free Enterprise Nation - wisconsin survey

The Free Enterprise Nation is a non-partisan member based organization representing American employees and businesses in the private sector. Its President, James MacDougald is author of the best-selling title, "UNSUSTAINABLE: How Big Government, Taxes and Debt are Wrecking America." Mr. MacDougald is a regular guest on many national news networks including CNBC, FOX News, CNN and MSNBC and was recently prominently featured in the John Stossel special, "The Battle for the Future."
 
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-chuckles- First off we need to drag you kicking and screaming if necessary out of the 1980's … you said it enough times, that I think everyone here at dp knows where you think the problem came from. We no longer need to hear what you think caused the problem, as you have used it in every other post.

I can show you how we could increase revenues by about 200 billion dollars without raising our tax rate even 1% …. and really think it would pass both houses can you show where we could cut spending by half of that, that would pass both houses?


Okay chuckles, let's hear your suggestion. And while you're at in, add the trillion we are giving away to the rich each decade and you might have something that could begin to pay down our National debt.
 
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