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I am pissed at the blue dog Democrats, and evidently so were many voters as they took a beating at the 2010 election. And I guess you are just as pissed at the GOP for not decreasing spending when they controlled all branches of the government?

As population grows, people get used to Government doing more and more for them. If the TPs had everything Govt does for them taken away for just one day, they wouldn't make it passed 9am. The fringe-righties live in this fantasy world that they're so independent and don't need Govt. services. Yet many of these righties didn't bat an eye when day after day no WMDs showed up. They just went with the program. At least the mainstream Dems can criticize their own.

Govt. really let us down in regulating markets, banking, derivatives...etc. We're not getting the consumer protecting and public safety services we pay for, that's my biggest gripe. Real in the banks. Cap carbon emissions. Do what you're supposed to do.
 
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Thomas Sowell summed it up brilliantly, as usual.

The biggest myth about labor unions is that unions are for the workers. Unions are for unions, just as corporations are for corporations and politicians are for politicians.

Thomas Sowell
 
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Unions tell people what they can do with some of their earnings.

you surely like to post bull**** don,t you?
 
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Thomas Sowell summed it up brilliantly, as usual.

I think Moynihan said similar in 1965 or 1966 with regard to any political and civil organization in The Professionalization of Reform
 
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Thomas Sowell summed it up brilliantly, as usual.

Looks more like Karl Rove to me. :mrgreen:

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BTW, a little trivia:

q. What was the occupation of Golda Meir before she became Prime Minister of Israel?

a. She was a teacher at a public school in Milwaukee.
 
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BTW, a little trivia:

q. What was the occupation of Golda Meir before she became Prime Minister of Israel?

a. She was a teacher at a public school in Milwaukee.

Communist!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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BTW, a little trivia:

q. What was the occupation of Golda Meir before she became Prime Minister of Israel?

a. She was a teacher at a public school in Milwaukee.

And, she drug up to go build a Democracy in the ME. Interesting.
 
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you surely like to post bull**** don,t you?

Then refute it, you telling me that if you want to be a teacher that you don't have to join a union and that union dues aren't mandatory? You are making a fool out of yourself.
 
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you surely like to post bull**** don,t you?

In Louisiana, teachers aren't forced to join a union. But, if they don't join the teacher's union, they have to purchase their own insurance on the private market.
 
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Boy, this story went quiet, didn't it? And not just because of an earthquake either.

Americans don't have the time or patience for unions.

The next set of elections in Wisconsin will be huge for unions. If Walker and his like are re-elected, that will be the proverbial nail in the coffin, so expect every union in the country to poor billions into campaigning in the Cheesehead state.
 
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I am pissed at the blue dog Democrats, and evidently so were many voters as they took a beating at the 2010 election. And I guess you are just as pissed at the GOP for not decreasing spending when they controlled all branches of the government?

You betcha I am, I have no respect for Republicans over the last 10 to 15 years..... that have become nothing more then a slightly moderate liberals in terms of spending.
 
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You betcha I am, I have no respect for Republicans over the last 10 to 15 years..... that have become nothing more then a slightly moderate liberals in terms of spending.

Hence, the tea party movement.
 
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Boy, this story went quiet, didn't it? And not just because of an earthquake either.

Americans don't have the time or patience for unions.

The next set of elections in Wisconsin will be huge for unions. If Walker and his like are re-elected, that will be the proverbial nail in the coffin, so expect every union in the country to poor billions into campaigning in the Cheesehead state.

Agree with you in one respect, there is a problem with that however, by the time all this washes out, there are going to be a bunch of states that are going to be doing things similar to this. That money is going to have to be spread around.
 
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Hence, the tea party movement.

yep, and what I like about them, it doesn't matter, Republican or Democrat, if you are for bigger government... and more spending, you don't get their vote
 
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Then refute it, you telling me that if you want to be a teacher that you don't have to join a union and that union dues aren't mandatory? You are making a fool out of yourself.


I already did in post #998, I know it’s a hard but try and keep up. By the way, what do you have against people that work for their money spending it the way they choose to spend it?
 
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it's coast to coast, it's a populist pulse of prodigious proportions

illinois:

You might think what Republicans are doing in the Wisconsin statehouse can't happen here in Illinois because Democrats are in charge in Springfield. But not even Democrats here in Illinois are happy about the statutes and contracts that give teachers so many benefits.

John Cullerton, the state senate president, says changes are coming. “Tenure on getting rid of bad teachers and I can guarantee you. There’s great progress being made so far and we will have major school reform legislation this year.”

Cullerton also wants to save big money in the state budget by moving pension payments for downstate teachers to local property taxes downstate.

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you've heard by now about the MACHETE measures cuomo is mandating in new york

the tens of B's of cuts moonbeam is being forced to make in CA

in indiana, mitch daniels ended collective bargaining in 05, he was reelected in 08 with 60%, voters feel he's gone far to turn around the hoosier state

kasich in ohio is a done deal

christie is bullying the blues in trenton

michigan will enact its anti union nuke option

where next?

the tsunami is two point five trillion dollars tall

ie, you aint gonna be able to stop it

and how will labor be able to leverage electorals forthcoming with drastically reduced largesse?

party on, pals
 
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how will labor be able to leverage electorals forthcoming with drastically reduced largesse?

Here is pretty good place to start, just keep this on the front burner.:2wave:


Rasmussen WI POLL:Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker= 34% Strongly Approve of the job he is doing, while 48% Strongly Disapprove.
 
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The State of the State begins with an honest analysis of the crisis that we face. We have the worst business tax climate in the nation, period. Our taxes are 66% higher than the national average. Upstate is truly an economic crisis. In real GDP, from 2001-2006, upstate New York grew about 1.7% per year while the average in the nation was 2.7%. The costs of pensions are exploding, 1.3 billion in 1998-1999, projected for 2013, 6.2 billion - a 476% increase and its only getting worse.

The State of New York spends too much money, it is that blunt and it is that simple. Our spending has far exceeded the rate of inflation. From 1994-2009, inflation was about 2.7% per year; medicaid when up over 5% per year and education went up over 6% per year. We just can’t afford those rates of increase.

And most damaging, our expenses in this state far exceed revenue. We’ve been focusing on this year and the deficit this year, which is a very large deficit about $10 billion, and that is a problem and it is a major problem; what’s worse, is it’s not just about this year. Next year, the problem goes to $14 billion. The year after, the deficit goes to $17 billion. This is not a one year problem my friends. This is a fundamental economic realignment for the State of New York.

Not only do we spend too much, but we get too little in return. We spend more money on education than any state in the nation and we are number 34 in terms of results. We spend more money on Medicaid than any other state in the nation and we are number 21 in results. We spend about $1.6 billion per year in economic development and we are number 50 in terms of results.

And the large government we have is all too often responsive to the special interests, over the people of the State of New York. And New Yorkers are voting with their feet. Two million New Yorkers have left the State over the past decade. What does this say? It says we need radical reform, it says we need a new approach, we need a new perspective and we need it now. This is a fundamental realignment for the state. We are going to redesign our approach because the old way wasn’t working anyway, let's be honest.

We are going to start by transforming New York’s economy. Because what made New York the Empire State was a not a large government complex, it was a vibrant private sector that was creating great jobs in the State of New York. That’s what made us the Empire State once and that’s what’s going to make us the Empire State again. At the heart of his State is business. And we have to relearn the lesson our founders knew and we have to put up a sign that says New York is open for business. We get it. And this is going to be a business friendly State.

The property taxes in New York are killing New Yorkers. Thirteen of the sixteen highest tax counties are in New York when assessed by home value. In absolute dollars, Westchester County has the highest property taxes in the United States of America. Nassau County the second highest property taxes in the United State of America. It has to end, it has to end this year. We have to hold the line on taxes for now and reduce taxes in the future. New York has no future as the tax capital of the nation. Our young people will not stay. Our business will not come. This has to change.

GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo
 
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The New Tax Deal: Reaganomics Redux

"More than thirty years ago, Ronald Reagan came to Washington intent on reducing taxes on the wealthy and shrinking every aspect of government except defense.

The new tax deal embodies the essence of Reaganomics.

It will not stimulate the economy.

A disproportionate share of the $858 billion deal will go to people in the top 1 percent who spend only a fraction of what they earn and save the rest. Their savings are sent around the world to wherever they will earn the highest return.

The only practical effect of adding $858 billion to the deficit will be to put more pressure on Democrats to reduce non-defense spending of all sorts, including Social Security and Medicare, as well as education and infrastructure.

It is nothing short of Ronald Reagan's (and David Stockman's) notorious "starve the beast" strategy.

In 2012, an election year, when congressional Democrats have less power than they do now, the pressure to extend the Bush tax cuts further will be overwhelming.

Worse yet, the deal adds to the underlying structural problem that caused the Great Recession in the first place.

Since Ronald Reagan was president, median hourly wages have barely budged, and America's vast working and middle classes have taken home a steadily smaller share of the nation's income (adjusted for inflation). The typical male worker today is earning less than the typical male worker thirty years ago.

Yet the richest 1 percent of Americans is now taking home a larger percentage of the nation's income than at any time since 1928. And we recall what happened in 1929.

Unless the vast majority of Americans has enough purchasing power to keep the economy going without going ever more deeply into debt, the economy will eventually go over a cliff.

That's what happened. By the late 1990s the middle and working classes could keep spending -- and thereby keep the economy moving -- only by adding debt. This strategy ended when the housing bubble burst in 2007.

Without their spending, there can be no buoyant recovery.

Yes, the pending tax bill will give America's middle and working classes slightly more cash next year. But only for one year. They won't spend it. They'll use it to help pay down their debts.

Will lower taxes on the rich spur them to create more jobs? Not a chance. Since 1980, Reagan's supply-siders have said lower taxes on the rich will trickle down to everyone else. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Look at history.

During the almost three decade spanning 1951 to 1980, when the top rate was between 70 and 92 percent, the average annual growth in the American economy was 3.7 percent.

Between 1983 and the start of the Great Recession, when the top rate ranged between 35 percent and 39 percent, average growth was 3 percent.

Supply-siders are also fond of claiming that Ronald Reagan's 1981 tax cuts caused the 1980s economic boom. There is no evidence to support this claim. In fact, that boom followed Regan's 1982 tax increase. The 1990s boom likewise was not the result of a tax cut; most of it followed Bill Clinton's 1993 tax increase.

Nor did George W. Bush's tax cuts trickle down. Between 2002 and 2007 the median wage actually dropped. And Bush's record of job creation was pathetic relative to Bill Clinton's, when taxes were higher. Under Clinton, America added 22 million net new jobs. Under Bush, barely 8 million.

So why are Democrats voting for Reaganomics?

They say they have no choice -- either vote for this or watch taxes rise on everyone starting January 1.

That Democrats have allowed themselves to get into this fix is a testament to either their timidity, obtuseness, or dependence on the campaign contributions of those at the top."

Robert Reich: The New Tax Deal: Reaganomics Redux
 
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Do not ever quote Robert Reich. He's the most ridiculous excuse for an economics analyst in the history of mankind.

And Reaganomics worked brilliantly for those who worked hard, stayed in school, and didn't father five kids with three different women. The growth of the lower class has been spawned by personal irresponsibility and the Democrats insistence on creating a government-dependent voting bloc.
 
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Do not ever quote Robert Reich. He's the most ridiculous excuse for an economics analyst in the history of mankind.

And Reaganomics worked brilliantly for those who worked hard, stayed in school, and didn't father five kids with three different women. The growth of the lower class has been spawned by personal irresponsibility and the Democrats insistence on creating a government-dependent voting bloc.

Yeah its working perfectly. A 14.2 trillion dollar debt and 1 in 7 American are now poor!

Poverty Rate Climbs in Recession, One in Seven Now Poor
 
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