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Conservative said:
You ought to be thankful for a union and I can see why. Without it you would be unemployed. The private sector can do whatever it wants to do and what they will do is if forced into a union will either move or go out of business. Unions have outlived their usefulness as evidence by less than 12% of the workforce being unionized. unions, like the Democrat party, want people dependent. I live in a state where teachers aren't public union employees and is a right to work state. People have a choice here something that scares the hell out of unions. We cannot allow people to think for themselves, can we?
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my shop is balls to the wall with work, and guess what conservative...WE ARE UNIONIZED!!!! now, to get you back on topic, as is your usual, you are off track...again, who the hell are you to dictate what someone can spend their wages on?
 
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Conservative said:
I have the choice not to live in a particular district or a particular state thus a choice on whether or not to pay taxes that funds those teachers or those police and firefighters. People in Wisconsin do not have a choie to join a union and that union gives them full collective bargaining rights which Federal union employees don't have and there is a reason for that. So the real issue here is should State public union employees be forced into a union thus forced to contribute to those unions which means taxpayer dollars going to fund campaign contributions? I do not support collective bargaining rights for public employees either Federal or state.
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You just switched arguments, actually topics, completely. Now we're talking about the 'real issue'? Please. (oh and btw, I've said in this thread or another, I can't remember that I think people should have the choice to opt out of being in a union).

I win.
 
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haymarket said:
What an amazing statement. You don't get anything of value from government employees except the service for the taxpayers. Simply amazing. And you consider that an indictment and a statement of something negative.

The way the right wing mind works is one of the real mysteries of life since it depends completely and totally on a belief system that denies much of reality. In this case, it dismisses the value of the service to the taxpayer and tries to pretend that it is insignificant.



WOW!!!! And nothing like a personal insult cutting one to the core on a nice Sunday afternoon. The union does not hire anyone outside of those who make up a small staff who work for it. What it does do is attempt to represent those who management hires.

this is just more of the same old crap from Turtle who needs badly to chang..... wait..... sorry Turtle ..... this came from Conservative who seems to be violating the copyright on your same ideas. either that or you both owe Lew Rockwell a dinner.
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Less than 12% of the work force is union, gee, wonder why? You are an example of the public employees I am talking about. IMO, you have little respect for the people paying your salary.
 
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randel said:
my shop is balls to the wall with work, and guess what conservative...WE ARE UNIONIZED!!!! now, to get you back on topic, as is your usual, you are off track...again, who the hell are you to dictate what someone can spend their wages on?
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You don't seem to get it, unions have chosen how Wisconsin workers spend their money, they have no choice but to spend it on union dues if they want the job. Guess that is ok in your book, forced union membership and forced dues. Makes it great for those high priced union management jobs, doesn't it?
 
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Conservative said:
Less than 12% of the work force is union, gee, wonder why? You are an example of the public employees I am talking about. IMO, you have little respect for the people paying your salary.
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just because someone pays his salary doesnt entitle them to tell him what to do with it, how to spend it....
 
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theplaydrive said:
You just switched arguments, actually topics, completely. Now we're talking about the 'real issue'? Please. (oh and btw, I've said in this thread or another, I can't remember that I think people should have the choice to opt out of being in a union).

I win.
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The Thread topic is about Wisconsin unions, you win what?
 
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Conservative said:
You don't seem to get it, unions have chosen how Wisconsin workers spend their money, they have no choice but to spend it on union dues if they want the job. Guess that is ok in your book, forced union membership and forced dues. Makes it great for those high priced union management jobs, doesn't it?
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back on topic, who the hell are you to dictate how someone spends their wages?
 
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randel said:
just because someone pays his salary doesnt entitle them to tell him what to do with it, how to spend it....
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Yet, unions tell the employees of Wisconsin what to do with some of their money. You don't have a problem with that?
 
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randel said:
back on topic, who the hell are you to dictate how someone spends their wages?
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But unions have that right? It is ok for unions to tell people what they have to do with some of their money but not the employer, the taxpayers?
 
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Conservative said:
But unions have that right? It is ok for unions to tell people what they have to do with some of their money but not the employer, the taxpayers?
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the question is who are you to tell someone what to do with their wages...answer it
 
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Conservative said:
Wrong, when you get money for working in the public sector it is money that the taxpayers paid to those employees since the govt. produces nothing of value except a service required by the taxpayers. If there were no taxpayers there would be no public employees but without taxpayers there are private sector businesses. I just don't get how some of you think. Money doesn't grow on trees, private sector money comes from the purchase of goods and services and doesn't cost the taxpayer a dime. You don't want to buy a service your choice, but not so with public employees.
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A waitress produces nothing of value beyond that of a service required by customers. Same goes for a taxi cab. Same also goes for truck drivers. Point being that once that money is in thier pocket it is no longer yours (the taxpayers) and you have no right to dictate anything to them based on the money in thier pocket. Without the public worker there would be no public services that the "taxpayer requires". Believe me, you (the taxpayer) would be sorely screwed if every single public worker stopped working no matter what for 1 week. In fact you would probably be screwed even more than if Nike workers went on strike for a week.
 
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Conservative said:
Less than 12% of the work force is union, gee, wonder why? You are an example of the public employees I am talking about. IMO, you have little respect for the people paying your salary.
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Where you do get off having the gall to make a ballsy statement like that? I gave my entire career in service to the taxpayer.

DO NOT LECTURE ME ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE IGNORANT ABOUT.
 
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Conservative said:
But unions have that right? It is ok for unions to tell people what they have to do with some of their money but not the employer, the taxpayers?
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NO ONE has the right to tell anyone what to do with thier own wages. Not unions, not employers, not the taxpayers, NO ONE.
 
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randel said:
the question is who are you to tell someone what to do with their wages...answer it
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Why don't you ask union leadership. I don't live in Wisconsin and I don't have public unions in my area. I choose where to spend my dollars, unions force workers to pay union dues.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
NO ONE has the right to tell anyone what to do with thier own wages. Not unions, not employers, not the taxpayers, NO ONE.
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Except big corporations advertising on TV, radio, movie theaters, billboard, newspapers and magazines.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
NO ONE has the right to tell anyone what to do with thier own wages. Not unions, not employers, not the taxpayers, NO ONE.
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Really? So Union employees in Wisconsin aren't forced to pay union dues? Where do those dues come from?
 
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haymarket said:
Where you do get off having the gall to make a ballsy statement like that? I gave my entire career in service to the taxpayer.

DO NOT LECTURE ME ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE IGNORANT ABOUT.
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amen brother, it is tiresome.
 
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Conservative said:
The Thread topic is about Wisconsin unions, you win what?
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The 'I win' part was more of a joke.

We were in a debate and you changed the topic. You always do that when your realize your argument is invalid.
 
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haymarket said:
Where you do get off having the gall to make a ballsy statement like that? I gave my entire career in service to the taxpayer.

DO NOT LECTURE ME ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE IGNORANT ABOUT.
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You work for payment from the taxpayers right? I get off making that statement because it is my opinion. If you truly cared about the people paying your salary you would be working to increase pay and benefits charged to those taxpayers. The fact is you don't care and keep your job by keeping others dependent on you boss.
 
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theplaydrive said:
The 'I win' part was more of a joke.

We were in a debate and you changed the topic. You always do that when your realize your argument is invalid.
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You have yet to prove my argument invalid. Share this thread with your debate teacher and let that teacher make the decision as to who won. The thread topic is about Wisconsin public unions and in Wisconsin public union membership is a requirement of the job thus public unions force those employees to pay union dues and that is money coming from the taxpayers. Those unions then end up negotiating with the elected officials they fully funded in their campaigns thus no one negotiates for the taxpayers.
 
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Conservative said:
You work for payment from the taxpayers right? I get off making that statement because it is my opinion. If you truly cared about the people paying your salary you would be working to increase pay and benefits charged to those taxpayers. The fact is you don't care and keep your job by keeping others dependent on you boss.
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again, regardless of who he works for, it gives them NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER TO DICTATE TO HIM HOW TO SPEND THE WAGES HE HAS, AND SAY IT WITH ME NOW, AND SAY IT WITH FEELING, EARNED!!!
 
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randel said:
amen brother, it is tiresome.
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Rah! Rah! Rah! Why are you supporting union management telling employees what to do with their money, union dues?
 
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randel said:
again, regardless of who he works for, it gives them NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER TO DICTATE TO HIM HOW TO SPEND THE WAGES HE HAS, AND SAY IT WITH ME NOW, AND SAY IT WITH FEELING, EARNED!!!
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I have no right but union management does, is that what you are saying?
 
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Conservative said:
You have yet to prove my argument invalid. Share this thread with your debate teacher and let that teacher make the decision as to who won. The thread topic is about Wisconsin public unions and in Wisconsin public union membership is a requirement of the job thus public unions force those employees to pay union dues and that is money coming from the taxpayers. Those unions then end up negotiating with the elected officials they fully funded in their campaigns thus no one negotiates for the taxpayers.
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I don't have a debate teacher. I hate public speaking. I prefer writing.

Oh. Many people in this thread have proven it invalid; it's just that you're not accepting it. Let me repeat it: Teachers exchange labor for pay. You have no right to determine how to use that money.
 
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Conservative said:
Rah! Rah! Rah! Why are you supporting union management telling employees what to do with their money, union dues?
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answer the question, what gives an employer the right to tell someone how to spend their wages? what gives you that right?
 
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