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haymarket said:
And where did you get an absurd statement like that? No bid contracts are treason to the taxpayer because it encourages sweetheart deals rewarding friends, family and supporters over responsible public service and lower cost contracts.... remember those taxpayers ..... the ones your side pretends to defend and speak for????
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Ok, tell us the difference between a bidded contract and a no bid contract.

The reason for no-bid contracts, is that when they're awarded, it's because a paticular situation--Hurricane Katrina for instance--requires action now not action in 6 months+ to go through the red tape of the bidding process.
 
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theplaydrive said:
I fail to see the problem with unions contributing to campaigns that support their members' interests. People joins unions because they know that they are the most efficient means of protecting their political interests...
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The problem I have with it is when the members contributing don't have a say in where the money's spent. But it is my understanding that people aren't required to contribute to political funds, so maybe it's a moot point. Don't like how the union is using your contribution? Don't make one. People join unions, for the most part, because they have no choice. Many people would opt out of unions in a heartbeat if they were able to do so. I'm thinking that's one of the pieces of legislation in Wisconsin...after all the hubbub dies down, it will be interesting to see what happens to union membership.
 
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apdst said:
Ok, tell us the difference between a bidded contract and a no bid contract.

The reason for no-bid contracts, is that when they're awarded, it's because a paticular situation--Hurricane Katrina for instance--requires action now not action in 6 months+ to go through the red tape of the bidding process.
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You keep telling yourself champ and you may get a Christmas card from Halliburton as a reward.
 
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apdst said:
By that logic, you shouldn't have a problem with corporations contributing to campaigns that support their employees's interests. Yes?
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I don't have a problem with it. You're correct. I think every citizen should be able to influence government. If you don't like the influence of corporations, then you should develop your own influence. Many people see unions as a part of that counter-influence (although in some cases, unions and corporations are in bed together).

To me, society is a competition of ideas. I like competition and I think everyone should be able to participate. (I would add however, that there should be limits/ethical standards to make sure that it doesn't get too crazy).
 
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MaggieD said:
The problem I have with it is when the members contributing don't have a say in where the money's spent. But it is my understanding that people aren't required to contribute to political funds, so maybe it's a moot point. Don't like how the union is using your contribution? Don't make one. People join unions, for the most part, because they have no choice. Many people would opt out of unions in a heartbeat if they were able to do so. I'm thinking that's one of the pieces of legislation in Wisconsin...after all the hubbub dies down, it will be interesting to see what happens to union membership.
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I actually agree with you that people should be able to choose when to opt in or out of unions (although I understand why they're not in most cases - they lower the standards and people in unions get fired for wanting higher ones). I have the same problem with not being able to choose to have healthcare.

I don't agree with you about the numbers of people who would opt out of unions if they had a choice; I think most people would stay, but I haven't really studied that.
 
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theplaydrive said:
I actually agree with you that people should be able to choose when to opt in or out of unions (although I understand why they're not in most cases - they lower the standards and people in unions get fired for wanting higher ones). I have the same problem with not being able to choose to have healthcare.

I don't agree with you about the numbers of people who would opt out of unions if they had a choice; I think most people would stay, but I haven't really studied that.
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1. Don't make an automatic payroll deduction.
2. You've just described "Right to Work". Let it be a choice not a have to.
 
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theplaydrive said:
I fail to see the problem with unions contributing to campaigns that support their members' interests. People joins unions because they know that they are the most efficient means of protecting their political interests...
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Do you have a problem when the workers don't get a choice as to which party their dues go to? How would you like to be the teacher who found out her union payed for attack ads against her husband?
 
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Candice Lynn said:
1. Don't make an automatic payroll deduction.
2. You've just described "Right to Work". Let it be a choice not a have to.
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I don't think I've ever come out against choice. I've only come out against the demonization of unions.
 
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Barbbtx said:
Do you have a problem when the workers don't get a choice as to which party their dues go to? How would you like to be the teacher who found out her union payed for attack ads against her husband?
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1. There aren't enough politicians and teachers married to them for that to be a significant problem. Also, some married couples disagree on politics, so maybe she wouldn't care.
2. But for those few that do, I've already said that I believe people should have a choice whether or not to join a union.
3. Unions tend to fight for the interests of their members (when they don't, members tend to get angry and replace leadership). In other words, union political contributions tend to reflect the wishes of the majority of their members just like corporate contributions tend to reflect the wishes of the majority of investors.
 
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haymarket said:
You keep telling yourself champ and you may get a Christmas card from Halliburton as a reward.
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Ohhh, so now we know! That's what it's really all about. You don't seem to have a problem with Shaw Global, whose CEO Jim Berhard is a former Democrat big dick in Louisiana, got a no bid contract to do most of the work after Hurricane Katrina.

You don't give a **** about no bid contracts. You only give a **** that Halliburton got a no bid contract.

Nevermind that Halliburton was on the only oilfield service company in the world that could handle the Iraq job, because it was going to take more than a 48 piece socket set to fix things over there and we didn't have a 6 month window to cut through all the red tape.
 
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theplaydrive said:
1. There aren't enough politicians and teachers married to them for that to be a significant problem. Also, some married couples disagree on politics, so maybe she wouldn't care.
2. But for those few that do, I've already said that I believe people should have a choice whether or not to join a union.
3. Unions tend to fight for the interests of their members (when they don't, members tend to get angry and replace leadership). In other words, union political contributions tend to reflect the wishes of the majority of their members just like corporate contributions tend to reflect the wishes of the majority of investors.
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As far as political contributions, hopefull someday they will be forced to reflect the wishes of all.the workers.


NEAexposed » Ohio teacher sounds off when the NEA launches attack ads against her husband

And many conservative members of the American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association have protested that their union’s spending is out of line with the teachers they represent, which are more evenly split politically.
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But for Ohio teacher Jade Thompson, the union’s political bias recently hit home when she unwittingly supported the Ohio Education Association’s attack on her husband Andy Thompson, a conservative running for state representative
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Now imagine my dismay when I saw that those defamatory mailers were paid for by the Ohio Education Association – my teachers’ union. In effect, they are using my union dues to attack my husband! This is a new low, even for the OEA.”[/QUOTE[QUOTE]]“Andy will support a paycheck protection law that prevents teachers’ union dues from being used for political propaganda without written permission“I am hopeful that Andy and a newly elected Conservative majority in the Ohio House can protect the rights of teachers in this state to keep their money from funding the political agenda of any organization without their approval.”
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theplaydrive said:
You can't just stop a war or leave a country is disarray.
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afghanistan is OBAMA'S WAR

Also, most people against military conflict, are against the one in Iraq because it was based on nothing, not the one in Afghanistan because it waged against the actual aggressor: al-Qaeda.
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President Obama's Secret: Only 100 al Qaeda Now in Afghanistan - ABC News

CIA: At most, 50-100 Al Qaeda in Afghanistan - Political Punch

Petraeus: Al Qaeda No Longer Operating in Afghanistan - FoxNews.com
 
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28 american states have union shop laws, you must pay dues to keep your job

What Is a Union Shop?
 
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theplaydrive said:
I don't agree with you about the numbers of people who would opt out of unions if they had a choice; I think most people would stay, but I haven't really studied that.
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If that were true, there wouldn't be a mandatory membership to begin with. In fact, MANY union members vote conservative politically these days and would love to opt out of the union and keep their due money if given the choice.
 
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Conservative said:
You just regurgitate the same information over and over again even though false.
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You’re a real hoot telling someone that they regurgitate ****, when you have bls.gov tattooed on your forehead.:lamo
 
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apdst said:
No bid contracts have zero to do with spending levels.
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I would have never believed that any contractor would have worked for nothing, could you show me a source please, thank you.
 
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theplaydrive said:
I fail to see the problem with unions contributing to campaigns that support their members' interests. People joins unions because they know that they are the most efficient means of protecting their political interests...
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Does that hold true of those corporations that the left seems to hate? How about public unions that live off the taxpayer dollars? You don't see a conflict of interest in public unions backing candidates that spend taxpayer dollars freely?
 
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Erod said:
If that were true, there wouldn't be a mandatory membership to begin with. In fact, MANY union members vote conservative politically these days and would love to opt out of the union and keep their due money if given the choice.
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My wife belong to a union, and would fall under this category. To opt out of a portion of the dues (the portion used for political contributions) you have to write a letter (has to be handwritten) to request the necessary form. She's written two letters to request the necessary documents and both were ignored. I have a feeling this is probably on purpose.
 
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donc said:
You’re a real hoot telling someone that they regurgitate ****, when you have bls.gov tattooed on your forehead.:lamo
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bls is data that is collected, hardly opinions regurgitated as fact. You seem to buy liberal rhetoric as fact and ignore actual data which is indeed factual.
 
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ludahai said:
No disagreement. Just pointing out that there are two sides to the budgeting equation...
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yes, but one has basically been squeezed dry.
 
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randel said:
a union shop is a beautiful thing
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How is forcing people against their will to belong to a union just to go to work a beautiful thing?

Sounds pretty communistic to me.
 
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randel said:
a union shop is a beautiful thing
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it's the flip side of allowing employers the right to simply ban unions alltogether.


so i'll be happy to trade you full private sector legalization of union shops in return for full legalization of employer freedom to ban collective bargaining.
 
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Barbbtx said:
Do you have a problem when the workers don't get a choice as to which party their dues go to? How would you like to be the teacher who found out her union payed for attack ads against her husband?
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I can guarantee that the lady involved Union dues wasn't used for political purpose.It is a separate PAC and the money donated to the PAC is on a voluntarily basis.
 
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