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Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights withou

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Lionel Hutz said:
I have heard the Wisconsin Republicans and others use this as a way of defending the measures that they are taking. But if the union members lose salary or other benefits greater than this $500-$1000, how does this benefit the union members?
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It will help offset the new costs they will be putting into their pensions and healthcare.
 
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cpwill said:
they triedt hat. it wasthe unions and their Democrat Lackeys in the senate that made this a national Big Issue, first by fleeing the state and then by holding massive protest rallies.
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They didn't try that at all. They overreached, plain and simple. When you make democrats show they have any semblance of balls, you're going for some serious ****.
They could and should have taken this one step at a time. Instead, they went too far and I think they'll see the costs of their mistakes not too far from now.
 
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iamitter said:
They didn't try that at all. They overreached, plain and simple. When you make democrats show they have any semblance of balls, you're going for some serious ****.
They could and should have taken this one step at a time. Instead, they went too far and I think they'll see the costs of their mistakes not too far from now.
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toofar? theydweont to the poitn where 26 sytatatews are NOW. the federal governmetn is vbeyond eent that. too far? :roll
 
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The Republicans in Wisconsin really evoked class warfare. They cut taxes for the wealthiest and then stripped the collective bargaining rights and political representation of public workers. That just amazes me since I always feel it is the Democrats who are evoking class warfare on the Republicans.
 
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CriticalThought said:
The Republicans in Wisconsin really evoked class warfare. They cut taxes for the wealthiest and then stripped the collective bargaining rights and political representation of public workers. That just amazes me since I always feel it is the Democrats who are evoking class warfare on the Republicans.
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Cut taxes on those that pay the most to promote economic growth and put a leash on the public sector unions to keep the budget in line.

Here's a hint buddy, doing nothing would have dropped the state into an economic black hole. It wasn't class warfare, it was the first steps in fixing the mess of previous administrations.
 
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iamitter said:
They didn't try that at all. They overreached, plain and simple. When you make democrats show they have any semblance of balls, you're going for some serious ****.
They could and should have taken this one step at a time. Instead, they went too far and I think they'll see the costs of their mistakes not too far from now.
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You could be right. I think you're wrong.
 
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Barbbtx said:
I watched Big Union guy Ed Schultz last night. Poor baby was kind of down in the dumps. However, he was still trying to stir up the runaway dems by asking "what now, a strike? Can you all go on strike? Blah blah blah"
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There are many of us in the union movement who have felt for a very long time now that our current position is akin to the various tribes of Native Americans who allowed themselves to be picked off individually and did not come together until it was far too late. A general strike is the way to go on this.
 
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haymarket said:
There are many of us in the union movement who have felt for a very long time now that our current position is akin to the various tribes of Native Americans who allowed themselves to be picked off individually and did not come together until it was far too late. A general strike is the way to go on this.
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Unbelievable. Unfreakin'believable. It would seem that unions are indeed filled with thugs. And narcissistic fools. Democracy matters. Unless it goes against one's own selfish interests.
 
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CriticalThought said:
The Republicans in Wisconsin really evoked class warfare. They cut taxes for the wealthiest and then stripped the collective bargaining rights and political representation of public workers. That just amazes me since I always feel it is the Democrats who are evoking class warfare on the Republicans.
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The actual class warfare is when you force one class to pay for virtually all government functions that the class that doesn’t pay uses.

Rolling back these class warfare tax levels is more akin to ending the war, not preserving it.
 
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haymarket said:
There are many of us in the union movement who have felt for a very long time now that our current position is akin to the various tribes of Native Americans who allowed themselves to be picked off individually and did not come together until it was far too late. A general strike is the way to go on this.
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[lease pleaes please ewuse whatever einflucnce you have to makest his happen.
 
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danarhea said:
Which is BS. The Teachers Union had already agreed to ALL of the monetary concessions. What this is really about is the Koch Brothers' influence over the Governor, who is breaking the unions, while lying that it is all about being fiscally responsible.
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Just because they agreed with ALL of the monetary concessions (not sure I believe that but for sake of argument) for at this particular time doesn't mean the rationale for revising of suspending collective bargaining for government unions doesn't still have merit. Wisonson was looking to the future not just today.
 
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MaggieD said:
Unbelievable. Unfreakin'believable. It would seem that unions are indeed filled with thugs. And narcissistic fools. Democracy matters. Unless it goes against one's own selfish interests.
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I do not understand how the exercising of our basic right to withhold our own labor upsets you so much?

You would not support a persons right to withhold their own labor?
 
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cpwill said:
[lease pleaes please ewuse whatever einflucnce you have to makest his happen.
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In English please.
 
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Ed Gein said:
Take a walk, liberal. Your opinion is as useful as tits on Hillary Clinton.
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i'm surprised you haven't been suspended yet.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Cut taxes on those that pay the most to promote economic growth and put a leash on the public sector unions to keep the budget in line.
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The problem with this notion is that cutting taxes in no way has been shown to lead to job growth. It is factually incorrect. Other factors play a far more important role in job creation than taxes.

Furthermore, this goes beyond putting a leash on the public sector unions. It completely eradicates them. They serve virtually no purpose now.

Here's a hint buddy, doing nothing would have dropped the state into an economic black hole. It wasn't class warfare, it was the first steps in fixing the mess of previous administrations.
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You may have had an argument but the Democrats not agreed to the financial concessions. This quite transparantly had nothing to do with the current financial situation in Wisconsin.
 
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haymarket said:
In English please.
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I think he was saying go ahead and strike. Kind of a "make my day" thing.
 
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CriticalThought said:
The problem with this notion is that cutting taxes in no way has been shown to lead to job growth. It is factually incorrect. Other factors play a far more important role in job creation than taxes.
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It's not factually incorrect, it just doesn't jive with your world view.


CriticalThought said:
Furthermore, this goes beyond putting a leash on the public sector unions. It completely eradicates them. They serve virtually no purpose now.
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I'm failing to see where the problem lies then.

CriticalThought said:
You may have had an argument but the Democrats not agreed to the financial concessions. This quite transparantly had nothing to do with the current financial situation in Wisconsin.
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If you are talking about this years budget, you have a partial point, if you're talking 10 years down the road, you lose.
 
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X Factor said:
I think he was saying go ahead and strike. Kind of a "make my day" thing.
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moreevau 'plase shootyorurself in the favaece publicly' thing'.
 
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cpwill said:
moreevau 'plase shootyorurself in the favaece publicly' thing'.
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are you drunk or having a stroke...you're making me nervous.
 
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They had to do this much like the Dems had to force the healthcare bill through. People will see it to be a good thing in due time.
 
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MrVicchio said:
It's not factually incorrect, it just doesn't jive with your world view.
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No. I can actually look at the statistics and see that taxes do not play a significant role in job creation. It's an observable fact that ideologically driven individuals like yourself choose to ignore because it does not jive with your worldview.

I'm failing to see where the problem lies then.
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I don't have a position on labor unions. However, I do disagree strongly with Walker gaining the power to disolve local governments and install people he appoints in their position. Why should a governor get to decide who is the mayor of my town? That is intolerable.

If you are talking about this years budget, you have a partial point, if you're talking 10 years down the road, you lose.
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If you are talking long term, it could go either way. If Walker fails to bring in new jobs, then all he has done is completely gut a major section of the state's middle class, which in part means that the state's financial future looks very abysmal. Given that the only evidence you or he has presented that this will lead to job creation is lower taxes, and given that it is factually incorrect that lower taxes have a significant impact on job creation, I would say he may have just screwed Wisconsin royally.
 
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CriticalThought said:
I don't have a position on labor unions. However, I do disagree strongly with Walker gaining the power to disolve local governments and install people he appoints in their position. Why should a governor get to decide who is the mayor of my town? That is intolerable.
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May we have a link to this outlandish assertion? [/QUOTE]

As to this statement:

All he has done is completely gut a major section of the state's middle class....
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Even if your hyperbole were correct, and he did gut somebodies (which he didn't), public sector unions represent little more than 6% of the population....teacher unions represent much less than this. I'm assuming that Wisconsin holds true to the entire U.S....and that might well be wrong. The percentage is probably much less. Hardly a major section.
 
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theplaydrive said:
are you drunk or having a stroke...you're making me nervous.
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Did anyone notice if he was ok one minute and screwed up the next? Seems like he was.
 
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Barbbtx said:
Did anyone notice if he was ok one minute and screwed up the next? Seems like he was.
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he's fine, he's just drunk, with good reason. everybody should lay off.
 
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