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Sadly you don't understand the economic damage the Public Sector Unions have done to the state, and why this measure is being used to curtail such largess in the future. They aren't doing it for today, they are doing it to save the state tomorrow.

This is so condescending and self-important, I can't believe I'm even responding.

Paying people and giving them pensions and healthcare is not damaging to the economy. We were doing fine when Clinton was president...and the unions were negotiating then too. I think the problem is electing leaders who let their rich friends take dangerous risks with home loans and every other aspect of the economy and then spend extra money on unnecessary ventures...like war.

The United States is fully capable of fulfilling the demands of public workers (who despite being called greedy are probably the least greedy in the U.S. considering that many of them chose to take lower paying jobs when they could have been effing up the country on Wall Street).
 
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Senate Minority leader, James Barca, has just announced that the vote was illegal, and he plans to take it to court, beginning tomorrow, after contacting the Attorney General.

Like I said, this overreaching and abuse of power is going to be shot down in very short order.
 
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Since there was no quorum, it will not stand up in court. The Wisconsin State Supreme Court will overturn this in short order.

I would expect a challenge. But then the democrats would have to admit it was about the budget after all, no?
 
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This is so condescending and self-important, I can't believe I'm even responding.

Paying people and giving them pensions and healthcare is not damaging to the economy. We were doing fine when Clinton was president...and the unions were negotiating then too. I think the problem is electing leaders who let their rich friends take dangerous risks with home loans and every other aspect of the economy and then spend extra money on unnecessary ventures...like war.

The United States is fully capable of fulfilling the demands of public workers (who despite being called greedy are probably the least greedy in the U.S. considering that many of them chose to take lower paying jobs when they could have been effing up the country on Wall Street).

Overall, pensions aren't a problem. The problem is that tax revenue is down.
 
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She is funny. I've seen her a few times, and have lovingly dubbed her "Rachael Madcow". :mrgreen:

she's entertaining and chipper. I watch her because I feel the need to watch someone I sharply disagree with, and she's the easiest of the lot to like, irrespective of opinion. I think, given a bar setting, we would get along.


anywho. Let's see now how far this spreads from New Jersey and Wisconsin. :) let the education reform begin!
 
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This is great for the state of Wisconsin, I applaud the Senate for a job well done.

:applaud
 
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False. The Police and Fire Departments formally backed Scott Walker for governor and then turned on him when he went after collective bargaining.

The police and fire departments do not make up all of Walkers voters and generally republicans are anti-union while democrats are pro-union. So yes the republicans are supporting and enacting legislation their voters want and opposing and preventing legislation their voters do not want. I said the same thing when the democrats fled to prevent a quorum.

The GOP is overreaching.

How so?

One thing I always thought conservatives could understand was that people don't like it when you take away their rights - aren't they always whining about gun rights and the like - they're done.

Unless it is stated in the constitution then you can not call something a right. you and I have the right to keep and bear arms without the government infringing on that right because it says so in the 2nd amendment. Where does it say that you have the right to join a union (or some cases forced to join a union if you want a certain job,which is the opposite of something being a right)?
 
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Walker is done. That two-faced ass is out of there as soon as he can legally be recalled.
 
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Walker is done. That two-faced ass is out of there as soon as he can legally be recalled.

Take a walk, liberal. Your opinion is as useful as tits on Hillary Clinton.
 
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Walker is done. That two-faced ass is out of there as soon as he can legally be recalled.

Hehehe, calm down son. So tell us what it takes to be LEGALLY recalled?
 
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I would expect a challenge. But then the democrats would have to admit it was about the budget after all, no?

Not true. In passing the bill, Republicans stripped out ALL of the economic measures, and the version that went to the floor ONLY dealt with busting the union. NOTHING was passed that dealt with the budget. And therein, we now see the real motivation for this move, which was to repay the funding and favors given by the Koch Brothers to the Wisconsin Republican party. The GOP will soon be dead in that state. They have picked a fight that they are surely going to lose.
 
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This is great for the state of Wisconsin, I applaud the Senate for a job well done.

:applaud

Now if we could only get liberals all over the country to leave...... :ssst:
 
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Paying people and giving them pensions and healthcare is not damaging to the economy. We were doing fine when Clinton was president...and the unions were negotiating then too. I think the problem is electing leaders who let their rich friends take dangerous risks with home loans and every other aspect of the economy and then spend extra money on unnecessary ventures...like war.

Bold part: In case you hadn't heard the laws that lead to the lending problem began with Clinton, under a democratic controlled Congress.

As far as the war goes...I'm sure those in Iraq wouldn't consider "unnecessary". IE just depends upon your perspective on whether it was necessary or not.


The United States is fully capable of fulfilling the demands of public workers (who despite being called greedy are probably the least greedy in the U.S. considering that many of them chose to take lower paying jobs when they could have been effing up the country on Wall Street).

As for the US being fully capable of fulfilling the demands of public workers pay....Have you SEEN the national debt lately? $14 trillion dollars in debt. How in the world do you expect the US to pay every single employee without making some cuts? Borrow more? The old saying of "money doesn't grow on tree's" isn't just a meaningless saying you know.
 
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Not true. In passing the bill, Republicans stripped out ALL of the economic measures, and the version that went to the floor ONLY dealt with busting the union. NOTHING was passed that dealt with the budget. And therein, we now see the real motivation for this move, which was to repay the funding and favors given by the Koch Brothers to the Wisconsin Republican party. The GOP will soon be dead in that state. They have picked a fight that they are surely going to lose.

You seem all giddy too.
 
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This has nothing to do with Wisconsin. It's all about 2012 and Obama.

Sure... that's it... it has nothing at all to do with the public sector union pensions bankrupting the state... It's all about hating Obama.

:cuckoo:

:beam:
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

Not true. In passing the bill, Republicans stripped out ALL of the economic measures, and the version that went to the floor ONLY dealt with busting the union. NOTHING was passed that dealt with the budget. And therein, we now see the real motivation for this move, which was to repay the funding and favors given by the Koch Brothers to the Wisconsin Republican party. The GOP will soon be dead in that state. They have picked a fight that they are surely going to lose.

Proof? I didn't see anything that said that in the article in the OP....
 
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He's the "real" conservative 'round here, pardner.

Real conservatives don't pick a screen name of someone who was a serial killer and grave robber. Just sayin'. :mrgreen:
 
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i'm a public school teacher and there is little doubt that the cta and the nea are all about the profession and not the community, the country or the kids

wisconsin is just the beginning, as you know

this movement is sweeping almost all our states

did you see what the MAYORS in MASSACHUSETTS had to say yesterday---about unions, pensions, health care, collective bargaining

Mass. mayors, unions debate health care proposals - Health - msnbc.com

have you heard CUOMO, have you heard MOONBEAM

the force is irresistable

what's gonna happen to membership after the governors and mayors are thru SLASHING

what's gonna happen to union dues

and those customary contributions to democrat candidates

obama won the white house in november of 08 and he thought that what americans wanted was for his team to never let the catastrophe go to waste

the opposition was rewarded in many places on tsunami tuesday, and republicans think THIS is what the voters want

we'll find out

but either way the progressive posse is gonna have to fight back from now on, at least for the foreseeable, on a less even playing field than it's accustomed to

what brought us here, bottom line: FT.com / US / Economy & Fed - US public pensions face $2,500bn shortfall

stay up

or we'll getcha on civility too
 
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This has nothing to do with Wisconsin. It's all about 2012 and Obama.

That, my friend, is delusional baloney.
 
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Since there was no quorum, it will not stand up in court. The Wisconsin State Supreme Court will overturn this in short order.

No, it actually will not. You only need a Quorum for budgetary measures, as this was not a "budgetary measure" you are wrong.

I know it disappoints you Dan, to see a Union get reigned in but...
 
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Sadly you don't understand the economic damage the Public Sector Unions have done to the state, and why this measure is being used to curtail such largess in the future. They aren't doing it for today, they are doing it to save the state tomorrow.

Where is Taft Hartley when it's really needed.

ricksfolly
 
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The police and fire departments do not make up all of Walkers voters and generally republicans are anti-union while democrats are pro-union.

How so? [overreaching]

Unless it is stated in the constitution then you can not call something a right. you and I have the right to keep and bear arms without the government infringing on that right because it says so in the 2nd amendment. Where does it say that you have the right to join a union (or some cases forced to join a union if you want a certain job,which is the opposite of something being a right)?

1. The police and firefighters made up some of the GOP's constituents and I imagine they were not the only ones upset about this. People who join unions because they want the rights and protection won't support someone who is clearly going after them next.

2. Overreaching is pissing off your constituents and much of the country. The GOP is usually much better about being sneaky with their anti-working class policies and fashioning themselves as champions of all Americans. They're getting sloppy.

3. People call rights whatever they want to call them. We could add a right to the constitution if we felt like it- see the Civil Rights and Women's rights movements. The point is, whatever people 'perceive' as rights, they'll fight for them and get angry when someone takes them away esp. when there is a history based on fighting for them.
 
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