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Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights withou

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ARealConservative said:
the information is independently verifiable.

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
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Yup, you are right on that. When politicians talk about how they are reducing the debt, they are really talking about reducing the rate of growth of the debt. While they can say that they have balanced the budget, they really aren't, but have brought down the rate of increase to zero or better. However, more money is still going out than is coming in.
 
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theplaydrive said:
False. The Police and Fire Departments formally backed Scott Walker for governor and then turned on him when he went after collective bargaining. The GOP is overreaching.

One thing I always thought conservatives could understand was that people don't like it when you take away their rights - aren't they always whining about gun rights and the like - they're done.
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His guest, Wisconsin Republican state senator Glenn Grothman, slammed Matthews as “completely uninformed,” adding, “The firemen’s union around this state have campaigned against Republicans, and the statewide police have repeatedly campaigned against Republicans.”Walker said during a CBS interview last friday, “There are 314 fire and police unions in the state. Four of them endorsed me. All the rest endorsed my opponent.”
Politifact clarified that it was three locals and the state police that endorsed Walker. “During the campaign last November, leaders of the Milwaukee Professional Firefighters Association and Milwaukee Police Association appeared in an ad supporting Walker and blasting his opponent, Democrat Tom Barrett. Walker also won endorsements from the West Allis Professional Police Association and the Wisconsin Troopers Association.”
Scott Walker | spares Wisconsin police, fire fighters | collective bargaining | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment
 
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Barbbtx said:
His guest, Wisconsin Republican state senator Glenn Grothman, slammed Matthews as “completely uninformed,” adding, “The firemen’s union around this state have campaigned against Republicans, and the statewide police have repeatedly campaigned against Republicans.”Walker said during a CBS interview last friday, “There are 314 fire and police unions in the state. Four of them endorsed me. All the rest endorsed my opponent.”
Politifact clarified that it was three locals and the state police that endorsed Walker. “During the campaign last November, leaders of the Milwaukee Professional Firefighters Association and Milwaukee Police Association appeared in an ad supporting Walker and blasting his opponent, Democrat Tom Barrett. Walker also won endorsements from the West Allis Professional Police Association and the Wisconsin Troopers Association.”
Scott Walker | spares Wisconsin police, fire fighters | collective bargaining | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment
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Somebody already pointed this out and I admitted that I was wrong. Thanks though.
 
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theplaydrive said:
When did I say that? I was asked to name a Clinton policy that contributed to the economic boom. I did - and it was one that contributed greatly. Please tell me where I said that without that policy the economy would have tanked? Please tell me.
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....so Federal budgets are responsible for Economic booms.......it just keeps getting better.

Of course by better I mean more laughable.
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hazlnut said:
So, verify it and stop posting links to nothing.
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the first link shows the exact debt at the end of the fiscal year for every year Clinton was in office.

the second link is a government website tool that easily gives you the raw data to back up link 1

I have provided ample proof, and since this isn't really the point of this thread, I don't see any reason why I should continue to spoon feed it to you.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
Walker is done. That two-faced ass is out of there as soon as he can legally be recalled.
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Then he'll have time to campaign for POTUS in 2012. :)
 
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ARealConservative said:
facts are facts

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When people say there was a surplus they are referring to the public debt - i.e. a surplus in the general fund (where the gov. puts income taxes, etc.). However, yes, when you include intra-governmental debt, there was still a deficit. Most people don't. This does not discount the fact that during Clinton's administration (aided heavily by his budget plan) that deficit decreased by $400 billion.
 
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American said:
Hehehe, calm down son. So tell us what it takes to be LEGALLY recalled?
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I believe he has to be in office one year and they need to collect maybe 25% of his votes in signatures. Then I think there may be a special election? Anyway, by then his approvals will be up and all will be forgiven. :)
 
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Barbbtx said:
Then he'll have time to campaign for POTUS in 2012. :)
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LOL....Walker wouldn't even carry Wisconsin.....his numbers have been plummeting. In fact, Walker has screwed the entire party. America now clearly sees the war that the GOP is waging against the middle class.
 
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ARealConservative said:
the first link shows the exact debt at the end of the fiscal year for every year Clinton was in office.
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Then you must have posted it wrong.

Try again.

I have provided ample proof,
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You've provided jack crap. Maybe that flies on Stormfront, but you want to debate politics, you better bring some facts, Jack.
 
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hazlnut said:
You've provided jack crap. Maybe that flies on Stormfront, but you want to debate politics, you better bring some facts, Jack.
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Moderator's Warning:
Knock it off, hazlnut, or you'll be gone from the thread... at the very least.
 
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hazlnut said:
However, in this case, they're being shills for the Koch brothers and the RNC. This is about Obama, not Wisconsin. The state senate leader already admitted that:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-partisan-politics-and-political-platforms/94271-wisconsin-senate-leader-admits-union-busting-bill-defeating-obama.html
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He's only admiting that it will have an effect on Obama and Dems. not that that is the reason for doing it. The reason it needs to be done is to keep states from going bankrupt.
 
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Barbbtx said:
He's only admiting that it will have an effect on Obama and Dems. not that that is the reason for doing it. The reason it needs to be done is to keep states from going bankrupt.
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No, the reason is to break the unions. The fact that THIS is the only provision of the bill that was passed, while separating ALL fiscal portions of the bill from it, speaks to that. The fact that the unions had already agreed to all financial concessions speaks to that. And, finally, Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader admitting to FOX News this afternoon that the bill was about breaking the union speaks to that. No amount of lies, weasel words, and talking points is going to cover up the fact that this was not about balancing the budget at all, but breaking the union.
 
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hazlnut said:
All evidence and facts to the contrary... but go on...




Tomorrow, they'll be out of office.

Go GOP!

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No they wont. They will be getting a call of thanks from me! :2dance:

This is the BEST news in the whole year!!!! Maybe the last 2 years!!!!!

Tax payers CELEBRATE!!!!!

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danarhea said:
No, the reason is to break the unions. The fact that THIS is the only provision of the bill that was passed, while separating ALL fiscal portions of the bill from it, speaks to that. The fact that the unions had already agreed to all financial concessions speaks to that. And, finally, Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader admitting to FOX News this afternoon that the bill was about breaking the union speaks to that. No amount of lies, weasel words, and talking points is going to cover up the fact that this was not about balancing the budget at all, but breaking the union.
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Good!!! I want all State Unions destroyed! In EVERY State! They are nothing but selfish leeches that put themselves above those that they are supposed to help! By breaking Unions it helps the taxpayers. IF they dont like their pay or benefits TUFF!!! Get another job. JOIN REALITY! Bunch of overpaid, over funded ass-clowns!
 
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theplaydrive said:
When people say there was a surplus they are referring to the public debt - i.e. a surplus in the general fund (where the gov. puts income taxes, etc.). However, yes, when you include intra-governmental debt, there was still a deficit. Most people don't. This does not discount the fact that during Clinton's administration (aided heavily by his budget plan) that deficit decreased by $400 billion.
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the surplus amounted to smoke and mirrors. why pretend a surplus exists when you borrow money from intra-governmental debt to get that surplus?

Bush Senior campaigned on the premise that we had to return this surplus, and it infuriated me because it wasn't really a surplus. You can't claim a surplus when our total debt increases.

and maybe you can explain why the hatred from a couple people for linking to that article?
 
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hazlnut said:
This has nothing to do with Wisconsin. It's all about 2012 and Obama.
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well out of the numerous states currently cutting back on public employee compensation, the only ones getting attacked by the unions are swing states.
 
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Barbbtx said:
I believe he has to be in office one year and they need to collect maybe 25% of his votes in signatures. Then I think there may be a special election? Anyway, by then his approvals will be up and all will be forgiven. :)
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they also have 60 days from the time they filed for a recall petition to get the signatures.

and if they fail, they can't try again.
 
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Barbbtx said:
Then he'll have time to campaign for POTUS in 2012. :)
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Hah, that's funny. The move today was ideological and although I agree with it, the majority of the country would not agree with him. He took it way too far and ended up shooting himself in the knee.

There's really no evidence the ideology of the country has changed in the past 5-10 years. The democratic win in 2008 and the republican win in 2010 was not the country saying they agree with their extremes, but that they dislike the way the current party in power is taking the country.

Most of the country is pretty moderate. Most of our politicians aren't.
 
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danarhea said:
No, the reason is to break the unions
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that's the most important reason, yes. what you are missing is that it is the fact of public unions being able to extend disproportionate control over the process that causes the state or locality to run the risk of bankruptcy.

targeting public employee union power in order to fix persistent budget deficits is like targeting a disease rather than the symptoms. you have to go after the genesis of a problem if you wish to solve it structurally.

The fact that THIS is the only provision of the bill that was passed, while separating ALL fiscal portions of the bill from it, speaks to that.
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Republicans can't pass the rest of it because (famously) their fellow Senators are hiding out in their "no republicans allowed" treehouse and refusing to play. When Democrats return (which, now that the unions will no longer be paying their hotel bills, might be soon), no doubt the fiscal portions will be the first pieces of legislation they deal with.
 
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The Giant Noodle said:
Good!!! I want all State Unions destroyed! In EVERY State! They are nothing but selfish leeches that put themselves above those that they are supposed to help! By breaking Unions it helps the taxpayers. IF they dont like their pay or benefits TUFF!!! Get another job. JOIN REALITY! Bunch of overpaid, over funded ass-clowns!
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And there's the rub. Walker could not have gotten elected if he said this, so he lied, hiding his union busting effort behind the idea of balancing the budget. This is why Wisconsinites are so up in arms, why the GOP is toast in Wisconsin, why there are 8 recall efforts against Republicans in the state which look like they will be successful, and why Walker is going to be a one term governor, that is, if he somehow miraculously survives the recall effort that will be directed at him next year.
 
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iamitter said:
There's really no evidence the ideology of the country has changed in the past 5-10 years
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looks like we've been seeing a shift of "moderates" to "conservatism".

The democratic win in 2008 and the republican win in 2010 was not the country saying they agree with their extremes, but that they dislike the way the current party in power is taking the country.
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that's true, but don't mistake the republican party for conservative ideology.
 
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