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Sgt Meowenstein said:
In other words, you don't have the proof to back up your bogus claim. That's what I thought. Thanks for playing. You fail.

By the way, a statistically even split among NATIONAL voters isn't good for Repubs either. But the local WI polls (the only ones you care about, right? At least, that's what I thought you said), that show a clear majority support the unions, are a ringing endorsement for Dems.
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No one at this point cares about meaningless polls as the bill has been signed and is law. I have stated my position so what good does it serve posting polls AFTER the bill is signed. The people of Wisconsin will make their voices known at sometime in the future but until then the bill is law and the ball is in Walker's court.
 
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Conservative said:
No one at this point cares about meaningless polls as the bill has been signed and is law. I have stated my position so what good does it serve posting polls AFTER the bill is signed. The people of Wisconsin will make their voices known at sometime in the future but until then the bill is law and the ball is in Walker's court.
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Apparently, you do care about the polls. At least you did when you falsley claimed that polls show support for your side. Now that you have been called out and proven wrong, and are unable to maintain your charade, suddenly you don't care about polls.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
Apparently, you do care about the polls. At least you did when you falsley claimed that polls show support for your side. Now that you have been called out and proven wrong, and are unable to maintain your charade, suddenly you don't care about polls.
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A lot of people do this in this forum. If the public sides with them "give the people want they want!" if not "well, they don't understand how rights work" or some other excuse.
 
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Conservative said:
Right, logic and common sense always prevail, you ought to try it some time. The bill is now law so what good does it do to cite polls at this point. The ball is indeed in Walker's court. Are you prepared for the consequences of his success in balancing the budget and creating jobs?
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In case you didn't notice, logic and common sense lead me to verify the claim that you made and also to provide my own evidence for my own claim. Logic and common sense lead me to a search engine that took me to Gallup, the Washington Post and Rasmussen, where all the data supported my claim.

I cited the polls because YOU and your supporters claims that Americans and Wisconsinites supported the bill. The only way to verify or deny this is through polls.
 
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theplaydrive said:
In case you didn't notice, logic and common sense lead me to verify the claim that you made and also to provide my own evidence for my own claim. Logic and common sense lead me to a search engine that took me to Gallup, the Washington Post and Rasmussen, where all the data supported my claim.

I cited the polls because YOU and your supporters claims that Americans and Wisconsinites supported the bill. The only way to verify or deny this is through polls.
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But but but....he doesn't like polls anymore. They hurt his feelings.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
But but but....he doesn't like polls anymore. They hurt his feelings.
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It's funny because when I was wrong a while back in this discussion, I admitted it and moved on. He can't to do the same.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
Apparently, you do care about the polls. At least you did when you falsley claimed that polls show support for your side. Now that you have been called out and proven wrong, and are unable to maintain your charade, suddenly you don't care about polls.
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Right, just like you don't care about the polls on healthcare repeal, Obama's job performance, deficit reduction, and right track/wrong track polls.
 
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theplaydrive said:
In case you didn't notice, logic and common sense lead me to verify the claim that you made and also to provide my own evidence for my own claim. Logic and common sense lead me to a search engine that took me to Gallup, the Washington Post and Rasmussen, where all the data supported my claim.

I cited the polls because YOU and your supporters claims that Americans and Wisconsinites supported the bill. The only way to verify or deny this is through polls.
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And logic and common sense would say that AFTER the bill was signed polls don't really matter, do they? It is all up to the electorate to decide. I can put a poll together that will prove that you are a conservative. Like all liberals you divert from reality though. Keep citing the polls AFTER the fact as if that changes the bill.
 
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Conservative said:
And logic and common sense would say that AFTER the bill was signed polls don't really matter, do they? It is all up to the electorate to decide. I can put a poll together that will prove that you are a conservative. Like all liberals you divert from reality though. Keep citing the polls AFTER the fact as if that changes the bill.
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The only polls that matter at this point and on this subject will be the polls during re-election season in WI.
 
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Conservative said:
And logic and common sense would say that AFTER the bill was signed polls don't really matter, do they? It is all up to the electorate to decide. I can put a poll together that will prove that you are a conservative. Like all liberals you divert from reality though. Keep citing the polls AFTER the fact as if that changes the bill.
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YOU brought it up. YOU made the claim that everyone supported the bill. WTF?
 
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theplaydrive said:
It's funny because when I was wrong a while back in this discussion, I admitted it and moved on. He can't to do the same.
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Here is all you need to know:

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker Signs Bill Taking Away Public Worker Collective Bargaining Rights

Friday, 11 Mar 2011 11:31 AM

MADISON, Wis. — Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has signed a controversial bill taking away public worker collective bargaining rights.
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Conservative said:
Here is all you need to know:

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I already know that. Isn't that why we're in this thread. YOU brought public opinion up. Remember that. I didn't bring it up. YOU did.
 
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Ockham said:
The only polls that matter at this point and on this subject will be the polls during re-election season in WI.
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exactly. and so long as we don't stump for ridiculous nation buidling while allowing the democracts to retain office by voting for use of force, while pretending to of been against it all along, they won't regain squat.

hope and change stormed in on anti Iraq sentiment, not union support, health care support or other progressive bull**** support.
 
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theplaydrive said:
I already know that. Isn't that why we're in this thread. YOU brought public opinion up. Remember that. I didn't bring it up. YOU did.
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Mine was in response to the "good old" Sgt post and the fact is the Bill was signed today. It is the law of Wisconsin so if the results are improved a year from now, liberals are in trouble
 
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ARealConservative said:
of course they are. private union membership is waning because the huge anchor it puts on business owners has forced them out of business.

the unions only hope for existance is to latch on entities that don't exist to make profit. that way they don't have to worry about drowning profits as profits aren't the motivation.
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In other words.....bleed the taxpayers dry, too.
 
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hazlnut said:
Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights without Dems



I don't know if they're cowards, they just risked a massive recall to carry out the agenda of a few billionaire GOP supporters...

I'd say they're just dumb cheeseheads.
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Well, golly, of course, in liberal-world it was the brave Democrats running and hiding in Illinois who were the heroes and the poor nits staying in Madison doing their job in the face of violent radicals are the cowards.

Great job. War if Peace. Death is Life.
 
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Catawba said:
The same faulty logic that has our National debt where it is today. If you decide to temporarily forgive a taxpayer his full share of taxes without providing an equal income source to replace it, then you are transferring that tax break to one class on the others. There are no free rides. You don't get something for nothing.

Then because the tax breaks were not funded (offset) by another funding source other services must be cut, ie education.
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If a revenue source is lost and another revenue source doesn't take it's place, then the government has no other choice but to not spend money they don't have.

That's why they call it a, budget.
 
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Catawba said:
Yeah right, it those rich teachers, firefighters and cops that are bringing the country down, its not the millionaires, who since 2003 have been getting more in annual tax breaks ($91,000 on average) than a teacher makes in a year, but sure, for sure go after the teachers and give up and see how much better your life gets.
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Ok, so, explain to us how much tax revenue public employees generate. This oughta be good.
 
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iamitter said:
I read the entire thread. Tax cuts are an expense in that, if we want a balanced budget, we need to cut spending by the corresponding decrease in revenue - that's it.

And yes, you should not have made the blanket statement. Some liberals you could maybe make a case for. "Many" I find highly doubtful and you'd have to back up your claims.
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Tax cuts don't always equate to a decrease in tax revenue.
 
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apdst said:
Tax cuts don't always equate to a decrease in tax revenue.
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Oh boy I smell another supply-side debate coming...
 
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EarlzP said:
Undoubtedly their are some budget problems but to single out one group "especially a group that may not support your politics shows bias. So be fair, lets ask Gov Walker and any governor attacking the teacher's union to tell the insurance companies that they have to take a 10% reduction in premiums.
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Bias is a natural byproduct of the two party system we currently have. Anyone not on your side is being unfair and biased etc. etc. That argument is a nonstarter.

I don't have a problem with a restructure of insurance companies but that has nothing to do with unions.

EarlzP said:
When your state is in a financial crisis every thing possible needs to be done to address the problem, this is nothing but smoke and mirrors, the real purpose is to break up a voting block that traditionally supports politicians that vote for laws and bills that favor them. The working middle class is the target
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I concur with your assessment that a key element of this is to weaken the opponents support. Again this is a natural byproduct of the two party system. It seems you are on the opposing side so of course you will view this as problematic. Those on the supporting side see this as good policy. Again the argument is a nonstarter. The unions haven't been interested in the middle class worker for some time. That is why they need to go the way of the dinosaur.
 
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Erod said:
In other words.....bleed the taxpayers dry, too.
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It amuses me that most of the same people complaining about what teachers are paid, are the same ones that don't mind forking over a $91,000 tax break on average every year to all those that make over $1 million dollars.

Teacher's educate our children for us for less. What have we gotten for the $91,000 that we taxpayers have given to millionaires each year since 2003?
 
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Catawba said:
What have we gotten for the $91,000 that we taxpayers have given to millionaires each year since 2003?
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I get even less from the thousands of dollars I've given to you.
 
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Taylor said:
I get even less from the thousands of dollars I've given to you.
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What do you think you give me in terms of thousands of dollars a year?
 
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Catawba said:
What do you think you give me in terms of thousands of dollars a year?
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Why, tax breaks of course! I assume you own a home. There's no telling how many thousands of dollars that I and the rest of my taxpayer friends have given you to live there. You never even invited us over for coffee! Sheesh!
 
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