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Bachmann: Health care law contains $105 billion in hidden pre-approved spending

Walter said:
I would suggest FACT CHECK or THE BLAZE....the 105 Billion price tag has always been common knowledge, what has not been common knowledge because the drones in DC are to lazy to READ anything before they tow a party line...is the PRE FUNDING of that total COST.
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So the main complaint is that now the Republicans can't cut finding for the Healthcare law like they intended to?

Clever girl...
 
TheBook said:
Clever girl...
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TheBook said:
So the main complaint is that now the Republicans can't cut finding for the Healthcare law like they intended to?

Clever girl...
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No...just the devious fashion in which it was WRITTEN (by an outsourced RADICAL "think tank" in NY CITY) hiding the PRE FUNDING in over two thousand pages of TEXT, NOT GIVING the appropriate time needed to COMPREHEND the entire bill...the bums rush in passing it by BUYING THE VOTES NEEDED to have a SIMPLE MAJORITY (DIRECTLY in contradiction to Article One Section Eight and its mandate of uniformity, i.e, NO Sweet heart deals for states like NEBRASKA and Louisiana) instead of the MANDATED 60 that is required by the Constitution in passing New LAW that effects the entire nation, JUST as the Barry pointed out...NO 50 Plus One votes on health. Oops? Now the spin is that EVERYONE read the PRE FUNDING mandates, its common knowledge (more lies)...actually its the FIRST BILL in US HISTORY were any program has been prefunded for the next decade to come. Want more devious actions? The history actual was less than a few months ago. Now 28 of the 50 States find the Act unconstitutional....DA! as Homer says. Question? Why must Congress have a budget to pass EVERY YEAR in the first place if its ETHICAL to simply FUND the entire thing when its signed into law...why not just give the Executive Office the purse strings as this President has taken them away from Congress?
 
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j-mac said:
To the libs in here thinking they are funny or something....This is serious business, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid hid appropriations in this law that are illegal, and bypass the legal channels to fund their crap plan. So instead of the usual attacking of the person telling us about what is to be discussed ie: Bachmann can you snarky little libs talk about the 105 billion, you know the actual topic of the thread?


j-mac
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They hid nothing. The bill was debated for over a year! Most of the original content remained intact compared to what was finally signed into law. How can I be so confident of that? Because I read the majority of both House bills - the original proposal and the final product. Both had trust funds (appx $5 billion if I remember the figure correctly) as the primary financial source for issuing health care credits and providing grant money to the states beginning in YR-1 (2014) thru YR-5 (2019). There's lots of spending associated with the final bill, but it's not like any of it was hidden. Congressmen/women just needed to take the time to read the darn thing. And don't repeat Nancy Pelosi's stupid comment, "You gotta pass it to know what's in it" absordity. Even I'd grant you hers was a stupid response to all the questions in opposition to the bill, but legislators in DC had a year to read it (or atleast have their interns provide them with summary statements that outline the bill in detail; that's done with EVERY bill in Congress).

All Congresswoman Bachmann is doing is trying to drum up more resentment to the law while our economy is still fragile, Congress is still fighting over the budget and GOP states are slicing spending within their states every which way they can. In other words, she's blowing smoke because she knows the GOP can't repeal the health care law nor defund it because the funding is already in place writing into the law. To that, the Dems were smart! They learned from the failure of HillaryCare. :mrgreen:
 
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Objective Voice said:
They hide nothing. The bill was debated for over a year! Most of the original content remained intact compared to what was finally signed into law. How can I be so confident of that? Because I read the majority of both House bills - the original proposal and the final product. Both had trust funds (appx $5 billion if I remember the figure correctly) as the primary financial source for issuing health care credits and providing grant money to the states beginning in YR-1 (2014) thru YR-5 (2019). There's lots of spending associated with the final bill, but it's not like any of it was hidden. Congressmen/women just needed to take the time to read the darn thing. And don't repeat Nancy Pelosi's stupid comment, "You gotta pass it to know what's in it" absordity. Even I'd grant you hers was a stupid response to all the questions in opposition to the bill, but legislators in DC had a year to read it (or atleast have their interns provide them with summary statements that outline the bill in detail; that's done with EVERY bill in Congress).

All Congresswoman Bachmann is doing is trying to drum up more resentment to the law while our economy is still fragile, Congress is still fighting over the budget and GOP states are slicing spending within their states every which way they can. In other words, she's blowing smoke because she knows the GOP can't repeal the health care law nor defund it because the funding is already in place writing into the law. To that, the Dems were smart! They learned from the failure of HillaryCare. :mrgreen:
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Simply present one ARTICLE, ONE FILM CLIP where the debate centered on FUNDING the entire thing for a DECADE in ADVANCE. Should be easy enough......you cannot because that TEXT was not debated, it was deflected.

And because THE DEBATE WAS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. But 28 out of the 50 states have found the ACT to be unconstitutional, a MAJORITY....and 2012, is coming up shortly. Funding will indeed will be a problem right after Nov 2012. Hell they cannot even fund THIS YEAR. Funny as Hell. I see PANIC.
 
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That's irrelevent. Fact remains, the entire Congress had time to read all proposals before the law was finally passed. A whole host of issues where discussed at each town hall meeting across the the country - taxes and their affect on businesses large and small, the deficit, Medicare cuts, etc., etc., etc. IMO, the GOP choose to focus on those hot-button issues they wanted to talk about in an effort to get the public so pissed off they've rally against the bill's passage - the exact same tactic that was used to thrawt HillaryCare - only this time many of the BS they espoused was rooted out as outright lies, i.e., "death panels".

If the GOP really wanted to focus on spending and appropriations and such, they'd have made that front-and-center throughout the townhalls. But they didn't and now you have a Conservative Congresswoman suddenly waving around her poster board with a $105B figure on it as if the people she's addressing are in Kindergarden. I probably know more about the healthcare law than she does. Even I could have told her the initial figure in the trust fund was atleast $5B to start!

Again, this is just a ploy by Bachmann to get people riled up as Congress and states are hashing out their budgets and talks continue to get heated over the deficit...nothing more.
 
TheBook said:
So the main complaint is that now the Republicans can't cut finding for the Healthcare law like they intended to?

Clever girl...
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I'll bet you won't think that when it is repubs that now will use this tactic to their advantage. Hypocrits. The fact that this now law, was pushed through without proper scrutiny, or that the appropiations process is now had itself end ran by demo's that knew that they would not get it funded had they left it up to lawful ways of proceedure, shows me that it is patently unconstitutional and will ultimately be abolished.

The only thing I hope is that with the next try they come up with not Socialist quick fixes, or stop gaps, but rather real reform that actually addresses the underlying cost drivers of health care. This bill does little but create another entitlement for the recipent class.


j-mac
 
FACT CHECK - BACHMANN LIES AGAIN

Bachmann said that "secretly, unbeknownst to members of Congress, over $105 billion was hidden in the Obamacare legislation." She’s right that there’s about $105 billion of already approved spending in the health care bill that may be difficult to rescind. But that does not mean that the process was secret. While the pre-approved spending provisions didn’t attract media attention, they were in the plain language of the bill and did not vary dramatically from past congressional practice. And the bill was made public before the vote. On balance, we rate Bachmann’s statement Barely True.
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The nitwits that voted this shameful woman in should apologize to the entire country.
 
hazlnut said:
FACT CHECK - BACHMANN LIES AGAIN






The nitwits that voted this shameful woman in should apologize to the entire country.
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The entire process was indeed secret to an extent. Repubs locked out, Shell games with multiple bills, the American public never really knowing what was in it until mere hours before the vote. Yeah, that's a real open process you have there.

"Nitwits" eh? Why don't you knock off the jackassery!


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I'll bet you won't think that when it is repubs that now will use this tactic to their advantage. Hypocrits. The fact that this now law, was pushed through without proper scrutiny, or that the appropiations process is now had itself end ran by demo's that knew that they would not get it funded had they left it up to lawful ways of proceedure, shows me that it is patently unconstitutional and will ultimately be abolished.

The only thing I hope is that with the next try they come up with not Socialist quick fixes, or stop gaps, but rather real reform that actually addresses the underlying cost drivers of health care. This bill does little but create another entitlement for the recipent class.


j-mac
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That's nonsense j. It wasn't pushed any faster than any other bill. This didn't happen over night. People ahd as much time to read it as any other bill.
 
TheBook said:
In short, too many adjectives, not enough facts.
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facts:

medicare (which is massively expanded, by the way) is simultaneously CUT a half a tril

another quarter T is double counted, says cbo

the states are burdened with a quarter T, unfunded, via medicaid expansion, the ghetto of health care

uva study famously cited by asa finds americans with NO INSURANCE fare better---lower costs, shorter stays, lesser mortality---than their neighbors whose primary pay status is medicaid---as you probably know, certainly should know if you're gonna do any talkin...

the doc fix is unaccounted for, as you know, another quarter T

doctors have been reluctant to take new medicare patients for years, now becoming critical

as you know

er costs in MA dramatically INCREASED

sebelius EXEMPTED a thousand too bigs and the state of maine

and, of course, there's the more than three quarters T of NEW TAXES, according to cbo

ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

Director's Blog » Blog Archive » Additional Information on CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html

Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

and you want to debate, what was it again?

facts?

factoids?

big picture?

stay up
 
j-mac said:
The entire process was indeed secret to an extent.
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Sorry, the fact-checkers showed that to be a lie. Your girl's a liar. (but we knew that)

And if you continue to spew the lie, then your a liar too.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

That fact that Bachmann thinks it was secret, shows how lame and incompetent her staff is.
 
Boo Radley said:
That's nonsense j. It wasn't pushed any faster than any other bill. This didn't happen over night. People ahd as much time to read it as any other bill.
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Your post here is not only laughable, but it is a bold faced lie! It was indeed pushed through as fast as the demo's could do it, and although it didn't happen overnight, it was snuck in on Christmas eve when Americans were distracted with their families, and it was passed on a pure party line push! People didn't have enough time to read this monstrosity, hell it wasn't even posted online until I think the day before the vote. Now stop the lies please.


j-mac
 
Objective Voice said:
And don't repeat Nancy Pelosi's stupid comment, "You gotta pass it to know what's in it" absordity. Even I'd grant you hers was a stupid response to all the questions in opposition to the bill, but legislators in DC had a year to read it
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oh, no, friend, when the palsied speakeress sputtered that stupid admission, SHE didn't know all the crap contained in this bill

i've followed this bill thru just about every headline it generated via msm and right wing sources for now 3 years---and ms bachmann's little chart on mtp was the first anyone in the media noted this hundred bil appropriation

this hundred bil, a full tenth of a tril of SLUSH for the white house to dole out anyway it wants thru cabinet hhs, with no congressional ok---no, that was NEWS to david gregory, i saw it
 
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Add this to the list of lies by omission that the "Trifecta of Doom" Obama, Pelosi, and Reid used to get this B.S. passed without anyone outside of the Democrat cabal form knowing.

This is openness and transparency Obama style.

Had President Bush done this BS he would have been impeached in a heart beat by the Liberal liars.
 
Councilman said:
Add this to the list of lies by omission that the "Trifecta of Doom" Obama, Pelosi, and Reid used to get this B.S. passed without anyone outside of the Democrat cabal form knowing.

This is openness and transparency Obama style.

Had President Bush done this BS he would have been impeached in a heart beat by the Liberal liars.
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Do you ever get tired of this hyperbolic nonsense?
 
and here's yet another example of the mature, ie, big picture observation rendering insignificant, even demeaning, your little attempts to play gotcha and score little forum debate points, so small they're meaningless, vs nobodies

let's say---for sake of argument---that ms pelosi had held a press conference and announced this appropriation and this particular provision was aired for all its tin foil tomfoolery at every townhall like death panels, that the hundred billion dollar credit card for hhs was the last question at that last crucial primetime presser instead of the prof vs po po at cambridge...

even then, even had the hundred b been fully vetted by all america--OBAMA PROMISED A HUNDRED TIMES HE'D DO IT ON CSPAN

that's BIG PICTURE, baby

a CENTRAL TENET of obamacare---TRANSPARENCY

it turns out to be an EMBARRASSING and IRREFUTABLE LIE

quibble on, kiddies
 
It's there....but here's the thing...the Lefty's don't care, they have a pathological need to justify EVERYTHING their side does.
 
(smile) Get over yourself.


The Prof said:
and here's yet another example of the mature, ie, big picture observation rendering insignificant, even demeaning, your little attempts to play gotcha and score little forum debate points, so small they're meaningless, vs nobodies

let's say---for sake of argument---that ms pelosi had held a press conference and announced this appropriation and this particular provision was aired for all its tin foil tomfoolery at every townhall like death panels, that the hundred billion dollar credit card for hhs was the last question at that last crucial primetime presser instead of the prof vs po po at cambridge...

even then, even had the hundred b been fully vetted by all america--OBAMA PROMISED A HUNDRED TIMES HE'D DO IT ON CSPAN

that's BIG PICTURE, baby

a CENTRAL TENET of obamacare---TRANSPARENCY

it turns out to be an EMBARRASSING and IRREFUTABLE LIE

quibble on, kiddies
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Amazed said:
(smile) Get over yourself.
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Amazed said:
It's there....but here's the thing...the Lefty's don't care, they have a pathological need to justify EVERYTHING their side does.
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Both sides do this.

Do you have any comment on how your comment is rediculous :coffeepap
 
j-mac said:
Your post here is not only laughable, but it is a bold faced lie! It was indeed pushed through as fast as the demo's could do it, and although it didn't happen overnight, it was snuck in on Christmas eve when Americans were distracted with their families, and it was passed on a pure party line push! People didn't have enough time to read this monstrosity, hell it wasn't even posted online until I think the day before the vote. Now stop the lies please.


j-mac
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j, there were talks, and debate (over a year), and there was more than enough time to read it. And congress critiers did not need it online to go over it. That was for us.

It is you j who's over the top here my friend. ;)
 
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