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Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

Who would have thought that the gang rape of an 11yo girl would spark 60 pages worth of arguements. Idiocy at its finest.
 
1. No one has EVER condoned the actions of the rapists. No one.
2. Why would a parent not allow their 11 year old daughter dress provocatively in a high-crime area alone?

when assessing blame toward the 11 year old victim for being raped you are condoning the actions of those who raped her
her clothing choice does not indicate her consent to being sexually assaulted
 
when assessing blame toward the 11 year old victim for being raped you are condoning the actions of those who raped her
her clothing choice does not indicate her consent to being sexually assaulted

thank you Mr. Strawman. no one has ever said it did. care to argue against any more points that no one here has made?
 
thank you Mr. Strawman. no one has ever said it did. care to argue against any more points that no one here has made?

apparently you have not read the posts that agree with the florida republican politician who charges that the girl's attire was responsible for her being raped

and then note those who defend the republican position
 
apparently you have not read the posts that agree with the florida republican politician who charges that the girl's attire was responsible for her being raped

and then note those who defend the republican position

apparently you have reading comprehension problems.

point out where any member of this forum has agreed with what that lone politician said. then note that no one has defended the position. at best I have seen people state that the position of one politician is not necessarily the position of everyone in that party.

I don't think even you can try hard enough to make this current partisan hackery charge stick. :lamo
 
when assessing blame toward the 11 year old victim for being raped you are condoning the actions of those who raped her
her clothing choice does not indicate her consent to being sexually assaulted

You won't answer my question, so I'll answer it for you.

Why don't parents let their children wear provocative clothes in high-crime neighborhoods (or really anywhere) when they're by themselves? Because parents are scared that perverts will be attracted to their children or view them as objects to be taken advantage of rather than as children to be left the hell alone.

If you don't think that clothing/appearance ever has any affect on how perverts view and treat women/children, then have a daughter and when she's 11 years old, dress her up provocatively and send her to a ****ty neighborhood by herself. If I ever have a daughter, however, I won't ever do this.

Rapists should be held accountable for their actions/choices and people should understand the signals that certain appearances send out so they can prevent sexual assaulters from being attracted to their children.
 
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apparently you have reading comprehension problems.

point out where any member of this forum has agreed with what that lone politician said. then note that no one has defended the position. at best I have seen people state that the position of one politician is not necessarily the position of everyone in that party.

I don't think even you can try hard enough to make this current partisan hackery charge stick. :lamo

so, you want us to believe that those posts disagreed with what the republican politician said, while at the same time objecting to my exposing her statement, which blamed an 11 year old girl for being the rape victim

that is what you are attempting to present

that y'all are simultaneously disagreeing with the words of the republican politician while whining that i was posting her quote

then it would appear you are not the individual to question anyone's comprehension ability
 
so, you want us to believe that those posts disagreed with what the republican politician said, while at the same time objecting to my exposing her statement, which blamed an 11 year old girl for being the rape victim

that is what you are attempting to present

that y'all are simultaneously disagreeing with the words of the republican politician while whining that i was posting her quote

then it would appear you are not the individual to question anyone's comprehension ability

are you really that slow? no one is objecting to you exposing HER, repeat HER statement. what we are objecting to is your ridiculous claim that she speaks for all republicans.

sometimes it really is that simple.
 
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You won't answer my question, so I'll answer it for you.

Why don't parents let their children wear provocative clothes in high-crime neighborhoods (or really anywhere) when they're by themselves? Because parents are scared that perverts will be attracted to their children or view them as objects to be taken advantage of rather than as children to be left the hell alone.

If you don't think that clothing/appearance ever has any affect on how perverts view and treat women/children, then have a daughter and when she's 11 years old, dress her up provocatively and send her to a ****ty neighborhood by herself. If I ever have a daughter, however, I won't ever do this.

Rapists should be held accountable for their actions/choices and people should understand the signals that certain appearances send out so they can prevent their children from attracting certain types of sexual assaulters.


notice how your position shifts the blame from the rapists to the 11 year old girl

there is NOTHING which mitigates the criminal act of rape. i don't care if that 11 year old was naked, there is NO justification for her to have been raped. and for anyone to indicate otherwise condones the rapists' actions as acceptable because of the belief the girl encouraged their criminal sexual assault

in short, your pro-rapist position, excusing their action because of an 11 year old's attire, is an absurd proposition
 
are you really that dumb? no one is objecting to you exposing HER, repeat HER statement. what we are objecting to is your ridiculous claim that she speaks for all republicans.

sometimes it really is that simple.

she is a republican elected from her district to represent those who elected her. it is possible that a democrat majority elected a republican representative, but i doubt it. and they elected her to represent them
they do not the get to pick and choose when her representation is truly representative; they did that at the voting booth
the republican politician speaks for them when she says that an 11 year old girl's attire is responsible for her getting gang raped

and yes, your comprehension skills need polish since i keep having to explain my posts to you
 
So you agree with the Republican politician from florida.

What I quoted you is the opinion of a woman who has 30 years of direct experience working with thousands of sex offenders. She is well renowned in her field as a leading expert in the country and is respected by the courts as being fair and unbiased.

So I don't know what this person said, but if they said that her clothing was a contributing factor to her assault, and this expert I spoke with says the same thing, then maybe we have one smart politician on our hands.

P.S. Some little tidbits about sex offenders as a whole that she told me:

1. Not all sex offenders are pedophiles.-- In fact, some rapists abhor pedophiles and would kill them faster than most of society.

2. A child molester is not necessarily a pedophile.--Sex offenders offend for many different reasons. Sometimes its a power thing, sometimes its a dominance thing, sometimes its a sexual thing. But treating sex offenders isn't as simple as it sounds. When you have a child molester who tests zero sexual attraction to children, you have a complicated situation on your hands. You wouldn't want to treat them as if they are aroused by kids, because they aren't. You have to figure out why they offend, since you can rule out sexual arousal, its something else.

3. Sex offenders are not all violent.--In fact, most offenders use coercion to find a victim, so the violent offender is very rare.

4. You can't cure "pedophilia."--Just like no amount of therapy will make a gay person straight, no amount of therapy will make a pedophile suddenly "not" one. But, there are millions of pedophiles in society who have never, and will never, act out. This means that it was not the pedophilia that caused the acting out, it was something else. "Pedophilia" is a sexual desire, it's not a crime. As hard as it is to comprehend, it is not against the law to be aroused by children. I saw a study done that showed 70% of men and 40% of women are at least somewhat sexually aroused by a preteen opposite sex child. This means that almost 3/4 of all men walking on this planet are at least somewhat sexually aroused by children. But since 3/4 aren't in prison, obviously there are many who have no problems keeping their dirty little secret from making them act out. Sex offender therapy definitely works as it teaches each offender to understand what got them to the point of them acting out. If they want to change, they will, and will come out of therapy no more of a threat to society than the average joe walking down the street. It's no secret that offenders who went to therapy have a lower reoffense rate than those who don't. So it's definitely a good thing to treat these people so they can live a life. We only get one life on this planet. I'd like to see people offered a second chance to make it right. I have great admiration for someone who has overcome the hardships of a bad decision and got themselves straight again. Whether that be robbery, assault, anything except murder and violet sexual contact of any sort, I want people to have a second chance. Some people here don't. One mistake (and violently raping an 11yo girl isn't what I would call a mistake that I would give a second chance for, as I specified above) shouldn't be the sum of a being.

Think about this way. Most men are aroused by women. But most men aren't rapists and sexual assaulters. People can be attracted to, and aroused by, women without being driven to commit sexual assault. Same with a pedophile.

So the people that did this to this child acted out not because they were necessarily aroused by her, but because of the power thing. They outnumbered her. They were bigger, stronger, older. That is a ripe situation for a sexual assault.
 
she is a republican elected from her district to represent those who elected her. it is possible that a democrat majority elected a republican representative, but i doubt it. and they elected her to represent them
they do not the get to pick and choose when her representation is truly representative; they did that at the voting booth
the republican politician speaks for them when she says that an 11 year old girl's attire is responsible for her getting gang raped

and yes, your comprehension skills need polish since i keep having to explain my posts to you

that's because I don't speak gibberish and your posts make no sense. did Obama speak for you when he said there were 57 states?
 
notice how your position shifts the blame from the rapists to the 11 year old girl

there is NOTHING which mitigates the criminal act of rape. i don't care if that 11 year old was naked, there is NO justification for her to have been raped. and for anyone to indicate otherwise condones the rapists' actions as acceptable because of the belief the girl encouraged their criminal sexual assault

in short, your pro-rapist position, excusing their action because of an 11 year old's attire, is an absurd proposition

Nothing that you said has anything to do with my post and if you actually knew anything about me, you wouldn't be attaching such sick interpretations to it.
 
Nothing that you said has anything to do with my post

nothing he has said has anything to do with anyone's post. he's just making stuff up and then claiming someone here said it and arguing against it. if he wasn't so serious, it would be hilarious
 
What I quoted you is the opinion of a woman who has 30 years of direct experience working with thousands of sex offenders. She is well renowned in her field as a leading expert in the country and is respected by the courts as being fair and unbiased.

So I don't know what this person said, but if they said that her clothing was a contributing factor to her assault, and this expert I spoke with says the same thing, then maybe we have one smart politician on our hands.

P.S. Some little tidbits about sex offenders as a whole that she told me:

1. Not all sex offenders are pedophiles.-- In fact, some rapists abhor pedophiles and would kill them faster than most of society.

2. A child molester is not necessarily a pedophile.--Sex offenders offend for many different reasons. Sometimes its a power thing, sometimes its a dominance thing, sometimes its a sexual thing. But treating sex offenders isn't as simple as it sounds. When you have a child molester who tests zero sexual attraction to children, you have a complicated situation on your hands. You wouldn't want to treat them as if they are aroused by kids, because they aren't. You have to figure out why they offend, since you can rule out sexual arousal, its something else.

3. Sex offenders are not all violent.--In fact, most offenders use coercion to find a victim, so the violent offender is very rare.

4. You can't cure "pedophilia."--Just like no amount of therapy will make a gay person straight, no amount of therapy will make a pedophile suddenly "not" one. But, there are millions of pedophiles in society who have never, and will never, act out. This means that it was not the pedophilia that caused the acting out, it was something else. "Pedophilia" is a sexual desire, it's not a crime. As hard as it is to comprehend, it is not against the law to be aroused by children. I saw a study done that showed 70% of men and 40% of women are at least somewhat sexually aroused by a preteen opposite sex child. This means that almost 3/4 of all men walking on this planet are at least somewhat sexually aroused by children. But since 3/4 aren't in prison, obviously there are many who have no problems keeping their dirty little secret from making them act out. Sex offender therapy definitely works as it teaches each offender to understand what got them to the point of them acting out. If they want to change, they will, and will come out of therapy no more of a threat to society than the average joe walking down the street. It's no secret that offenders who went to therapy have a lower reoffense rate than those who don't. So it's definitely a good thing to treat these people so they can live a life. We only get one life on this planet. I'd like to see people offered a second chance to make it right. I have great admiration for someone who has overcome the hardships of a bad decision and got themselves straight again. Whether that be robbery, assault, anything except murder and violet sexual contact of any sort, I want people to have a second chance. Some people here don't. One mistake (and violently raping an 11yo girl isn't what I would call a mistake that I would give a second chance for, as I specified above) shouldn't be the sum of a being.

Think about this way. Most men are aroused by women. But most men aren't rapists and sexual assaulters. People can be attracted to, and aroused by, women without being driven to commit sexual assault. Same with a pedophile.

So the people that did this to this child acted out not because they were necessarily aroused by her, but because of the power thing. They outnumbered her. They were bigger, stronger, older. That is a ripe situation for a sexual assault.

"She was asking for it" is now a valid argument......................

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See...us black folk are just trying to get our groove on......you white guys will...like, eat a mofo!
What can I say? We get hungry. Seriously, I just started watching another documentary on an old guy named Albert (I think) Fish. This guy butchered and ate children. I mean, WTF?
 
What can I say? We get hungry. Seriously, I just started watching another documentary on an old guy named Albert (I think) Fish. This guy butchered and ate children. I mean, WTF?

There are some sick people out there, brother.
 
Plain and simple our society needs to quit babying deginerate scum like this all these douchebags need to be swinging from a tree!!!! Its time to stop letting lawyers and politicians run this country they work for us its time for the second American Revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
But he wasn't excusing the rapists...

I can imagine all of the angry parents on here would never let their 11 year old daughters wear provocative clothing and walk around in a high-crime environment, particularly when they're alone. Why wouldn't they? When you answer that, then you'll understand DWBH's posts and others. It has nothing to do with blame.

Actually, I think it is about blame, but that is not actually a bad thing. If a woman gets drunk off her ass, goes home with a guy she just met, and gets raped would you suggest she should go to the bar the very next night, get drunk off her ass, and go home again with a guy she just met? Unless you believe she is in some way at fault you would not have any issue with it.

The problem is people have an all-or-nothing attitude towards these things. Some people think you simply cannot have the victim be in any way at fault because that somehow makes them less of a victim and the offender less of an offender. The reality is that there is no justification for forcing someone to have sex, but that does not take away from the fact that you have to look out for yourself and not needlessly put yourself in situations where someone is likely to take advantage of you.

Plus, putting all the blame on only one person basically takes away everyone's responsibility but the offender. It only makes us ignore the underlying causes of such behavior without providing any real benefit for the victim.
 
You probably won't believe me, but when I was in 8th grade (13 yrs old), their was a girl who honestly, in every way, looked like she was 16-17. She looked 13 when we were in 4th grade. I wouldn't be surprised if an 11 year old looked 16-17 esp. now when so many girls look and dress much older (look at the younger Kardashians/Jenners that are always in the news.)
There are 13 year olds that look like they are 16-17. However, there are not any 11 year old girls that look remotely similar to 17 year olds. Secondly, these guys were not 17, but older.

The link under show some 11 year old girls. Some of them may have small boobs, but you are an idiot if you can't see that they are much younger than 17 and not legal to have sex with, especially not to force them to have sex with you.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YO-5uBkwYi8/TJjvIJ9Yt0I/AAAAAAAAK6k/SUPqyr_DJ7w/s1600/all+of+us.JPG

I believe they should get at least 10 years each. That may sound little in America, but I was born in country (Norway) where such cases would only result in one year prison sentence.
 
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Sorry I read this.. and your previous statement about how the system worked...

I majored in Criminal Justice here in Mississippi, and although my emphasis was Homeland Security I did take quite a bit of courses on the prison system and just the correctional system as a whole. Our system fails so bad it is almost unbelievable. Jails are one of the most underfunded areas in the system and guess what? Jails are where you wait to find out if you are "innocent" or "guilty". By a jury of your peers. And I'm sorry to say but most juries are made up of people who don't know jack **** about the law or how it is applied. It's all a game, the prosecutor will come in saying "this guy is the worst human filth I have ever seen..." the defense attorney will come in "this guy is an angel who has done nothing wrong..." and than the JURY is suppose to decide when they know NOTHING about law... it is a ****ing circus. The only smart people have already been thrown off the jury selection pool by the defense and prosecution... they don't want smart people on the jury.

The only way to defend your self is if you have tons of money to buy a "proper" defense. Poor people get shafted when they go to court. I could tell you countless stories of fake dental evidence used in child murder cases, horrible eye witness accounts, just bull****. Our system fails, end of story. And no I don't know a "simple" solution it's a complex situation that maybe does not have an answer. In fact educate yourself and take a glance at the Innocence Project. In particular Mississippi's.
The Innocence Project - Home
Nobody is saying our system is perfect, but is it going to be more perfect if we just allow pedos to get away with molesting children just because the child waits awhile before they tell someone maybe because they're threatened or whatever? As for the jury not knowing the law, they're not supposed to. Their roll is to determine the facts. Yes, they do apply the facts to the law they're given. An adversarial trial, where both sides are subject to cross exam, is the best way for the jury to decide the facts. Add to that, the high burden of proof on the prosecution and basically the deck is actually stacked in favor of the defendant. It's funny that someone here (not you), on one hand says that people are convicted simply based on a child testifying, then uses as his example of our "broken system" a case where someone is acquitted.
 
He got a little vacation to think about his numerous personal attacks. I haven't attacked anyone on this thread. If I had, I would have most CERTAINLY been infracted for it.

Why don't you try your best to keep on topic and not make this thread about me, k? I could easily report tons of posts on here as personal attacks. It's all you guys on the right have. You can't dispute anything I say. I post links, with facts and sources, in response you attack me, call me a sex offender lover, an idiot, and a host of other wonderful infractable things. I've kept this conversation on a very adult level, even if my competition has not. I have a history of not following the rules around here, but I'm trying my best to. I can see the mods are coming through for me and taking care of business. Thanks, guys and gals.

You attack me personally, in any way, shape or form, and I will report you. I didn't used to, but I will now. When responding to attacks gets you a two week vacation but reporting them only gets THEM a 2 week vacation, I'm all for the latter.

Let's talk credibility here, shall we. It's come up a couple times since credibility of the victim, the offender and whoever else is important. You say that you have not engaged in personal attacks. I say that is an inaccurate claim. I'm basically accusing you of being untruthful or, at least, mistaken. If this were a court of law, then, I would need to prove it, right? Well, I would offer, as my evidence, X's exhibit's A-N

Exhibit A
Even you, conservative whackheads.
Exhibit B
And there are conservative whackheads who are talking about shooting all 18 without a trial, read the thread.
Exhibit C
Oh yea, Ikari, X factor comes across as a bunch of hot air to me. I know men 10 times tougher than him that came back from Iraq after having been in a firefight and killing insurgents who were SHOOTING AT THEM and they are visibly shaken by having to take another mans life, and in that case, they had no choice. I would say 95% of people who say they would shoot these people would not do it, or would do it and run like a scared rat. They wouldn't take their consequences like a man. It's easy to talk tough on a web forum, in real life though, that's a whole 'nother story. He wants to be seen as all "tough" to his fellow web members, but usually the ones that talk the most trash are the ones that would cower in a real incident.
Exhibit D
Committing one violent crime in the name of another is putting yourself at their level. I would look at you both and say "what idiots." :roll:
Exhibit E
Quote me with one thing I said where I defended the actions of a murderer or rapist. Since I know you can't, shove it up your a##. If you had a lick of brains you'd know I'm defending those accused of these crimes and ARE ACTUALLY INNOCENT.

Damn, you wonder how some people manage to put one foot in front of the other with brain cells so few and far between.
Exhibit F
Exhibit G
Now get this, this same idiot attacked me earlier for not having kids and thus my non-emotional reaction to this thread was an indication that I must agree with the rape or some kind of ****.

Glad he's banned. He wasn't worth the space on my screen.
Exhibit H
Lets just say I sure am glad people more intelligent than yourself sit behind the bench in our state and federal courtrooms.
Exhibit I
Really? Well just like most on the right, you might want to open your eyes and read what's actually been posted.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...11-year-old-girl-texas-12.html#post1059334866

And for the record, for the idiots on here who think I condone this ****, in no way do I think this girl consented. Even if she said yes, at 11, she has no idea what shes saying yes to. Now, rightwingnutjobs, is that clear enough?

Jeez, it's like reasoning with a dead rat.
Exhibit J
Don't worry, I've already proven you wrong. No need to waste your time trying to caress your little ego.
Exhibit K
LOL yea right, I'm not getting into a dick measuring contest with someone as imbicillic as you. But I promise you, people who read this thread will say that I look at things rationally, with links and stats, you just attack out of hate.

Yea, let me tell you, its MY credibility that's been hurt here. LOL ROTFLMAO
Exhibit L
You need to stop telling liberals to ignore what media matters tell them when right wing kooks like yourself suck down the Fox news coolaid like it's beer from a keg.
Exhibit M
I sure hope to hell you and X factor don't consider yourself Christians, because you certainly aren't acting like one. Preaching "second chances" and "forgive thy neighbor" and "judge not, lest ye shall be judged". What a joke.

I have one I'll finish this out with, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Suck on that one a little while, Christian wanna-bes.
Exhibit N
PCF has been shut down for 6 months, why are you bringing that forum up here?

It will never be enough as long as people like X factor spew forth their bull****.

Why is it enough? Can't dispute what I say so you want to shut me up? That's very left wing of you, independent. I don't take it personally. I didn't touch this kid, don't know anyone who did and abhore the idea of what they did. But that being said, I care about the truth, something many on the right don't seem to give a **** about. I post multiple links with the truth, and they don't even open them up, they just attack me.

I rest my case. Whether I've proven it, well, that'd be up to a jury.

Anyway, thanks for your participation in this little demonstration. :)
 
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