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Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

I think at the very least keeping it out of public availability is a good thing. How can one expect these people to become functioning citizens if they must automatically makes themselves pariahs wherever they go? What I think is people who consider keeping it out of the public eye a seriously bad thing really just want to be able to harass these people and drive them out of the area or at least lock them out of the community.

Well said, DOL.

People don't realize the original sex offender registry was a police-only list of the most heinous, abhorrent and violent sexual predators out there. Now, dozens of crimes will get you put on the list. What I must ask X factor, is what good is it doing to register these people? Show me proof, links to reputable websites, that show studies done that say it actually protects anyone? Where is your outcry for violent offenses such as assault? Where are "registries" for these people? Why, after someone has done their time and is a free man/woman, must they be publicly humiliated wherever they go and with whatever they do? Why do you have such hate for people of society who made a mistake, and worse yet, might be innocent?

I've read articles that estimate that 1-2% of people in prison today are, in fact, innocent. Let's do a little math..... 2 million people times 1% = 20,000 people. 40,000 if you go with the higher estimate. Let's split the difference and say that 30,000 people are doing time in prison for crimes they did not commit. YOU, the almighty right wing nut job tax payer, is PAYING FOR THIS. You should be outraged. But no, fox news tells you to hate sex offenders and Monica Crowley says they did it even without a trial, so there you go.

You need to stop telling liberals to ignore what media matters tell them when right wing kooks like yourself suck down the Fox news coolaid like it's beer from a keg.
 
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I think at the very least keeping it out of public availability is a good thing. How can one expect these people to become functioning citizens if they must automatically makes themselves pariahs wherever they go? What I think is people who consider keeping it out of the public eye a seriously bad thing really just want to be able to harass these people and drive them out of the area or at least lock them out of the community.
Have you looked up the sex offender registry for your area? I have. Nobody is being harassed or chased out. Do you even know what prompted public notification? Maybe you've heard of Megan's law?

Megan's Law was inspired by the case of seven-year-old Megan Kanka, a New Jersey girl who was raped and killed by a known child molester who moved across the street from the family. The Kanka family fought to have local communities warned about sex offenders in the area. The New Jersey legislature passed Megan's Law in 1994.

http://crime.about.com/od/sex/a/megans_law.htm

Now don't you think that family would have taken steps that would have kept that little girl safe, if they had known that a predator had moved in next door?

And, so help me Demon, knowing how you argue, if you suggest that little girl led the killer on or something else like that..
 
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Have you looked up the sex offender registry for your area? I have. Nobody is being harassed or chased out. Do you even know what prompted public notification? Maybe you've heard of Megan's law?



Megan's Law - History of Megan's Law

Now don't you think that family would have taken steps that would have kept that little girl safe, if they had known that a predator had moved in next door?

And, so help me Demon, knowing how you argue, if you suggest that little girl led the killer on or something else like that..

How do you know none of them are being harassed? Have you bothered to contact them? Talk to them. I promise you, they are being harassed.

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2002/06/53075

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002456680_sexoffender30m.html

http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/12/sex-offender-lists-make-reoffending.html

That last article talks about sex offenders moving out and not notifying authorities and thus people who move in behind them are being harassed because the information on the internet isn't even accurate or up to date. Why? Well, if you were just trying to get on with your life and something you did 20 years ago was STILL getting you harassed, wouldn't you just slide under the radar too? I know I would. Nobody has a right to harass anyone else for any reason, period. Since the registry has been found to be where these people are getting the addresses and names of offenders to go harass them, obviously the public is unable to handle these lists and so they shouldn't have access to them. You can go to the courthouse and see if your neighbor has a background. But to publicly humiliate these people is flat out wrong.

How about the case where a vigilante burned down the house of a sex offender in an attempt to try to kill him? The sex offender and his son were able to escape the blaze. But his wife wasn't. She died at the hospital. Where is your outrage for that?

http://www.pocketfives.com/f13/2-men-kill-wife-sex-offender-house-fire-198937/

Or this case, where the WRONG house was burned down? These things don't make the news because nobody has sympathy for sex offenders, so who cares if their belongings are torched?

http://www.switched.com/2008/02/05/vigilantes-attempt-to-burn-sex-offenders-house-and-miss/

Like I said before, the public is not capable of handling such a sensitive list of individuals with maturity.

Hindsight is always 20-20. So one girl gets harmed by a sex offender so you punish ALL sex offenders across the country for the behavior of one? So lets see, 674,999 didn't hurt Megan, but 1 did, so lets punish 674,999? Hmmm, ok, I guess in a right wing nut jobs little world, that actually makes sense.

X factor, have you ever heard of the Adam Walsh Act? Can you go into detail about what it did, how it is being found unconstitutional, and what IT was based on? I'm curious to know if you know any facts about it.

What about Jessica's law? Know any details about that one? Know all the stuff her dad and brother did, and avoided the very same registry that they wanted everyone else to be on?

I'm now on a crusade to educate. So much misinformation out there. People have no idea what is going on.
 
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Have you looked up the sex offender registry for your area? I have. Nobody is being harassed or chased out. Do you even know what prompted public notification? Maybe you've heard of Megan's law?

Megan's Law - History of Megan's Law

Now don't you think that family would have taken steps that would have kept that little girl safe, if they had known that a predator had moved in next door?

And, so help me Demon, knowing how you argue, if you suggest that little girl led the killer on or something else like that..

Sex offenders are harassed all the time. There was a story in the news a while ago about a 'sex offender' (a man who had had sex with his 17 year old girl friend when he was 18) who was harassed by many members of his community because they did not know the nature of his actions.

I think some reforms need to be made to the registry, particularly for cases like this.
 
X factor, have you ever heard of the Adam Walsh Act? Can you go into detail about what it did, how it is being found unconstitutional, and what IT was based on? I'm curious to know if you know any facts about it.

What about Jessica's law? Know any details about that one? Know all the stuff her dad and brother did, and avoided the very same registry that they wanted everyone else to be on?

I'm now on a crusade to educate. So much misinformation out there. People have no idea what is going on.
Whoa, I brought up Megan's Law first, so let's talk about that first. If you had kids, wouldn't you want to know that a sexual predator moved in across the street? Yes or no? Never mind. I know where your sympathies lie.

Hindsight is always 20-20. So one girl gets harmed by a sex offender so you punish ALL sex offenders across the country for the behavior of one? So lets see, 674,999 didn't hurt Megan, but 1 did, so lets punish 674,999? Hmmm, ok, I guess in a right wing nut jobs little world, that actually makes sense.
You're cold, man. So what if it's just one little girl, so long as your precious sex offenders don't get their feelers hurt, huh? And I'm the nut job for not wanting to see this happen again? You're a ****in' joke. If disagreeing with a fool makes me a nut job than so be it.
 
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Sex offenders are harassed all the time. There was a story in the news a while ago about a 'sex offender' (a man who had had sex with his 17 year old girl friend when he was 18) who was harassed by many members of his community because they did not know the nature of his actions.

link?


I think some reforms need to be made to the registry, particularly for cases like this.


Like this? Like which? your anecdote or the thread story of eighteen people not aggravated sexual assault of a minor was not the right thing to engage in?

Please tell me you are talking about your anecdote.
 

I can't find the specific story, but here is a similar one:

In April of 2006, a young man from Nova Scotia, Canada, shot and killed two convicted sex offenders living in Maine whose information he had found on the internet registry.[312] The assailant shot himself as police attempted to capture him. One of the victims was 24- year-old William Elliot, convicted at age 19 of having consensual sex with his 15-year-old girlfriend. His mother, Shirley Turner, said, "Without the registry, he would still be alive today. I would still have him." She spoke to Human Rights Watch about thecrime. "William had a girlfriend. He was 19 and she was 15 [three weeks from being 16, the age of consent in Maine]. Her parents found out, and William was convicted of statutory rape.

edit(wrong link): No Easy Answers | Human Rights Watch


Like this? Like which? your anecdote or the thread story of eighteen people not aggravated sexual assault of a minor was not the right thing to engage in? Please tell me you are talking about your anecdote.

I'm talking about my anecdote.
 
Whoa, I brought up Megan's Law first, so let's talk about that first. If you had kids, wouldn't you want to know that a sexual predator moved in across the street? Yes or no?

You're cold, man. So what if it's just one little girl, shuh? And I'm the nut job for not wanting to see this happen again? You're a ****in' joke.

It's none of my business if a sex offender moves in across the street. I have no RIGHT to know that information. Unlike you, I don't judge someone on their past. "The whole of a person is not defined by their worst moment."

o long as your precious sex offenders don't get their feelers hurt,

So, that's all you have huh? I post links, you call people names and insult people. This is easier than I thought it would be.

Name calling always indicates losing an argument. I posted how many links? Can you refute those? You already lied and said sex offenders aren't being harassed and I've proven you wrong. So tell me, since when is it ok to punish someone in Miami who peed behind a tree for something an offender did to a kid in Seattle?
 
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Name calling always indicates losing an argument. I posted how many links? Can you refute those? You already lied and said sex offenders aren't being harassed and I've proven you wrong. So tell me, since when is it ok to punish someone in Miami for something an offender did to a kid in Seattle?
Well, if this is the case than you lost the arguement long ago. You're the one who starts the name-calling then cries when it's returned to you.
 
link?





Like this? Like which? your anecdote or the thread story of eighteen people not aggravated sexual assault of a minor was not the right thing to engage in?

Please tell me you are talking about your anecdote.

I posted 3 links in my previous post on page 48.
 
Well, if this is the case than you lost the arguement long ago. You're the one who starts the name-calling then cries when it's returned to you.

Continue to avoid addressing what I posted at all costs, it's a beautiful reflection on my victory in this thread.

What's hilarious is you attack the left for the same exact thing! You really are a piece of work, man. You're obviously a lost cause, you have nothing to refute what has been posted other than more mindless emotional drivel, I'm leaving. However, let me know when you want to have a real discussion. I'll be up for it! Thanks!
 
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Continue to avoid addressing what I posted at all costs, it's a beautiful reflection on my victory in this thread.

What's hilarious is you attack the left for the same exact thing! You really are a piece of work, man. You're obviously a lost cause, you have nothing to refute what has been posted other than more mindless emotional drivel, I'm leaving. However, let me know when you want to have a real discussion. I'll be up for it! Thanks!
"Emotional drivel"? LOL, what was all that stuff about poor sex offenders getting harassed and housed burned down and ****? Why would I believe you're up for a real discussion when you haven't been thus far?
 
"Emotional drivel"? LOL, what was all that stuff about poor sex offenders getting harassed and housed burned down and ****? Why would I believe you're up for a real discussion when you haven't been thus far?

Sounds like he is in denial X.
 
Sounds like he is in denial X.

LOL, multiple links posted and it's refuted with "you love sex offenders!"

It's not often I win so easily on here, but without a single, SINGLE piece of evidence refuting ANYTHING I said, by default, I won. Damn I wish I'd had a decent fight. PB puts up more of a fight than you, at least he posts links, even if it's to just media matters crap. He has SOMETHING to refute claims with. You, on the other hand, do not.
 
LOL, multiple links posted and it's refuted with "you love sex offenders!"

It's not often I win so easily on here, but without a single, SINGLE piece of evidence refuting ANYTHING I said, by default, I won. Damn I wish I'd had a decent fight. PB puts up more of a fight than you, at least he posts links, even if it's to just media matters crap. He has SOMETHING to refute claims with. You, on the other hand, do not.
You don't even know who you're talking to any more, do you? LOL
 
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You don't even know who you're talking to any more, do you? LOL

BTW, you love sex offenders. LOL

I quoted the last reply when I typed my reply. Who it was didn't matter.

LOL Ok man, whatever. The only denial around here is in your court with EVERYTHING I posted and NOTHING posted to refute. It's just sad that you actually think you are better than everyone else and you are right and everyone else is wrong. It just sucks to be you, doesn't it? Your neck ever hurt from looking down on everyone so much?

What a joke. I wish I had some real competition on here. Someone care to actually have a conversation, or just attack the messenger?
 
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It's none of my business if a sex offender moves in across the street. I have no RIGHT to know that information. Unlike you, I don't judge someone on their past. "The whole of a person is not defined by their worst moment."

If you have children, you certainly do have a right to know that the guy across the street is a sex offender The cases of the sex offense being teenager over 18 sleeping with teenager under 18 is irrelevant to that. I used to live in Maine...the registry up there publishes categories of offense....when a 45 yo man is on the list for assualting children, it should not only be published it shuold be tattooed to his forehead,
 
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Whoa, I brought up Megan's Law first, so let's talk about that first. If you had kids, wouldn't you want to know that a sexual predator moved in across the street? Yes or no?

Why stop there? Wouldn't you want to know if a convicted thief moves in next door? How about someone with a drug conviction? I imagine it would be nice to know if your neighbor was arrested for possession of an illegal firearm. Certainly you could learn this from public court records, but those won't give you a current address and photo to go along with it just in case you are not sure and want to "check" on them to make sure they are not doing anything.
 
Why stop there? Wouldn't you want to know if a convicted thief moves in next door? How about someone with a drug conviction? I imagine it would be nice to know if your neighbor was arrested for possession of an illegal firearm. Certainly you could learn this from public court records, but those won't give you a current address and photo to go along with it just in case you are not sure and want to "check" on them to make sure they are not doing anything.

The difference here is that pedophilia is a disorder that a stint in jail isn't likely to dissuade or cure. Perpetrators of sexual crimes do not get better. This something the person is not likely going to outgrow. To be honest, I value that persons privacy far less than the security of my four, soon to be five children.

In addition to child sex abuses, rapists and peeping toms should be registered as well.
 
The difference here is that pedophilia is a disorder that a stint in jail isn't likely to dissuade or cure. Perpetrators of sexual crimes do not get better. This something the person is not likely going to outgrow. To be honest, I value that persons privacy far less than the security of my four, soon to be five children.

In addition to child sex abuses, rapists and peeping toms should be registered as well.

No, they don't, but with a reoffense rate of only 3.3% according to the department of justice, why worry about them? 85% of new sex abuse cases are by people not on the registry and 90% of child abuse cases are by someone known to the child, not a stranger next door. Sex offenders have the lowest reoffense rate of all offenses besides murder, so what is the justification for the registry again?

Another link for you to ignore:

Predator Panic: Reality Check on Sex Offenders | LiveScience

A study released in 2003 by the Bureau [of justice statistics] found that within three years, 3.3 percent of the released child molesters were arrested again for committing another sex crime against a child. Three to five percent is hardly a high repeat offender rate.

The 2003 study of nearly 10,000 men convicted of rape, sexual assault, and child molestation found that sex offenders had a re-arrest rate 25 percent lower than for all other criminals.

I sure hope to hell you and X factor don't consider yourself Christians, because you certainly aren't acting like one. Preaching "second chances" and "forgive thy neighbor" and "judge not, lest ye shall be judged". What a joke.

I have one I'll finish this out with, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Suck on that one a little while, Christian wanna-bes.
 
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No, they don't, but with a reoffense rate of only 5.3% according to the department of justice, why worry about them? 85% of new sex abuse cases are by people not on the registry and 90% of child abuse cases are by someone known to the child, not a stranger next door. Sex offenders have the lowest reoffense rate of all offenses besides murder, so what is the justification for the registry again?

tell the kid that was a victim of the 5.3% that re-offend. Tell their families. Tell the other 30% of re-offender's (that didn't get caught) victims.

I can tell you how to keep them off the registry....don't let them out of jail
 
tell the kid that was a victim of the 5.3% that re-offend. Tell their families. Tell the other 30% of re-offender's (that didn't get caught) victims.

I can tell you how to keep them off the registry....don't let them out of jail

Tell the kids of the 95% that don't that you don't GIVE A FLYING DAMN ABOUT THEM BEING TEASED AT SCHOOL and by neighbors. You don't give a **** about kids, man, stop it.

LOL 95% don't reoffend, but we're going to punish 95% for 5% that do? WOW. Just wow. I am at a loss for words. So if 5% of a student body participate in an illegal activity, the 95% who didn't should also be punished? Really? Again, at a loss for words.

What about the repeated DUI offender? You don't think they pose more of a threat to your child than some guy who was having sex with his teen girlfriend 30 years go?
 
Tell the kids of the 95% that don't that you don't GIVE A FLYING DAMN ABOUT THEM BEING TEASED AT SCHOOL and by neighbors. You don't give a **** about kids, man, stop it.

Weak at best, and yeah...it's kids getting sexually abused that is important....getting teased..not so much.

LOL 95% don't reoffend, but we're going to punish 95% for 5% that do? WOW. Just wow. I am at a loss for words. So if 5% of a student body participate in an illegal activity, the 95% who didn't should also be punished? Really? Again, at a loss for words.

That you know of. Regardless 5% do and that's a lot of cases.

What about the repeated DUI offender? You don't think they pose more of a threat to your child than some guy who was having sex with his teen girlfriend 30 years go?

1, The great majority of people on the sex offender registry are not on it for that reason.
2, those that are on it for that reason or listed on the registry as it being that reason.
3, DUI offenders have progressively stronger punishments for offending. And it is listed on their records. Regardless, sex offenses are particularly heinous.
 
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