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Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

Of course. The idea is to put yourself in the shoes of the victim or her dad. The assumption is we know who's guilty, now, what would you do? Answering honestly, I believe I would kill, maybe not all of them, but some.

You'd also have to be prepared to spend the rest of your life behind bars, and rightfully so. Murders go to jail. Would you admit what you did or would you run and cower and try to avoid prosecution? Most people who talk big like this aren't actually prepared to stand by the full of the commitment and integrity of the position.
 
I feel bad for everyone involved. It's a bad situation all the way around. The poor girl, sheesh, shes messed up for life. And those young adults that made a one-time stupid decision have ruined the rest of their lives. It's just bad all the way around.

I wish'd it of never happened.

Oh yea, Ikari, X factor comes across as a bunch of hot air to me. I know men 10 times tougher than him that came back from Iraq after having been in a firefight and killing insurgents who were SHOOTING AT THEM and they are visibly shaken by having to take another mans life, and in that case, they had no choice. I would say 95% of people who say they would shoot these people would not do it, or would do it and run like a scared rat. They wouldn't take their consequences like a man. It's easy to talk tough on a web forum, in real life though, that's a whole 'nother story. He wants to be seen as all "tough" to his fellow web members, but usually the ones that talk the most trash are the ones that would cower in a real incident.
 
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I feel bad for everyone involved. It's a bad situation all the way around. The poor girl, sheesh, shes messed up for life. And those young adults that made a one-time stupid decision have ruined the rest of their lives. It's just bad all the way around.

I wish'd it of never happened.

Ok, well this isn't one of those "one-time stupid decisions", this was gang rape. Those one time stupid decisions typically aren't the worst things ever, but gang rape that beyond stupid decision. That was conscientious, you really have to choose to rape someone. They knew what they were doing. They all belong in jail, there's no place for behavior of this sort in our society.
 
I feel bad for everyone involved. It's a bad situation all the way around. The poor girl, sheesh, shes messed up for life. And those young adults that made a one-time stupid decision have ruined the rest of their lives. It's just bad all the way around.

I wish'd it of never happened.

I wish it never happened too, but calling their act a "one time stupid decision" is giving them too much slack. There is a difference between stupid (think Jackass the Movie) and this horrific and inexcusable act. Sorry they receive no sympathy from me.
 
There should be more Eunuchs in the prison, once they are placed. What, what were these men thinking...........
 
New Developments in Cleveland Gang Rape Case

Timothy Ellis, 19, is among the adults now charged in the crime. His mother, Anita Ellis Hancock, spoke to FOX 26 News on Monday.

FOX 26: When you found out that your son was accused of raping an 11 year old girl...(interrupted by Hancock)

Hancock: It was in the paper.

FOX 26: What did you do? Did you talk to your son?

Hancock: Yes I did. Yes I did. I said, 'Baby, I'm your momma. You can talk to me.' (The victim) said she was 17 years old and that's what he told me.

FOX 26: But Anita, a lot of people would say, 'This is an 11 year old child. Even if she lied, she's eleven.'

Hancock: I understand that. I understand that. I'm not defending him. I'm not defending her. I'm not defending no child because if it were my child, I would feel the same way. My point is, where was her mother?

FOX 26: If this was reversed. If your son wasn't your son, but you were the mother of this 11 year old, what would you do? What would you say? What is justice?

Hancock: First of all, I would know where she was. That's the justice. Not knowing where your baby is is not justice. I feel like she should be accounted for not knowing where your baby at.

FOX 26: What lesson does you son need to learn?

Hancock: ID. Identification. This (holding up nametag and picture) is what you ask for baby.

FOX 26: So you're going to tell your son, next time he meets a girl to ask for her ID?

Hancock: Identification.

FOX 26: Are you mad at your son?

Hancock: Am I mad at him? For not being alert of age and not asking 'how old are you?' He was the only one who turned himself in because he felt bad because he has nieces. He said, "Mama ain't no way.' You can just feel the hurt.

FOX 26 does not identify victims of sexual assaults or their families. Up until recently, the victim's family lived just outside the Cleveland city limits. Neighbors say the family moved on Sunday in order to get away from the fallout surrounding the case.

>> Watch the video for Kristine Galvan's television report and her interview with a suspect's mother (non-mobile)

That boy is no doubt lying. There is a huge physical difference between a 17 yo girl and an 11yo girl. Mainly that 11yo's don't have boobs.
 
You'd also have to be prepared to spend the rest of your life behind bars, and rightfully so. Murders go to jail. Would you admit what you did or would you run and cower and try to avoid prosecution? Most people who talk big like this aren't actually prepared to stand by the full of the commitment and integrity of the position.

Two words for ya...Jury Nullification.
 
That boy is no doubt lying. There is a huge physical difference between a 17 yo girl and an 11yo girl. Mainly that 11yo's don't have boobs.

I don't know about that. When I was in 6th grade there was a girl with boobs.
 
I don't know about that. When I was in 6th grade there was a girl with boobs.

If an adult male can't tell the difference between an eleven year old girl and a seventeen year old girl, then he is an idiot of epic proportions and regardless, rape is rape. Death Penalty...
 
I feel bad for everyone involved. It's a bad situation all the way around. The poor girl, sheesh, shes messed up for life. And those young adults that made a one-time stupid decision have ruined the rest of their lives. It's just bad all the way around.

I wish'd it of never happened.

Oh yea, Ikari, X factor comes across as a bunch of hot air to me. I know men 10 times tougher than him that came back from Iraq after having been in a firefight and killing insurgents who were SHOOTING AT THEM and they are visibly shaken by having to take another mans life, and in that case, they had no choice. I would say 95% of people who say they would shoot these people would not do it, or would do it and run like a scared rat. They wouldn't take their consequences like a man. It's easy to talk tough on a web forum, in real life though, that's a whole 'nother story. He wants to be seen as all "tough" to his fellow web members, but usually the ones that talk the most trash are the ones that would cower in a real incident.

Perhaps some would, I know that I wouldn't and it has nothing to do with being tough. It has everything to do with not thinking of the person being put to death as deserving life as well as thinking of them as somewhat less than human. I don't like the idea of killing spiders or rats or anything really. But if that rat killed a person I would. If that spider was poisonous I would. If that human was guilty of murder or rape I could. Wouldn't like it and wouldn't feel like a tough guy, just a guy that stands by his values and is willing to see the job done. There are types like me and you can accept it or not.
 
Perhaps some would, I know that I wouldn't and it has nothing to do with being tough. It has everything to do with not thinking of the person being put to death as deserving life as well as thinking of them as somewhat less than human. I don't like the idea of killing spiders or rats or anything really. But if that rat killed a person I would. If that spider was poisonous I would. If that human was guilty of murder or rape I could. Wouldn't like it and wouldn't feel like a tough guy, just a guy that stands by his values and is willing to see the job done. There are types like me and you can accept it or not.

"Types" like you have a number and an orange jumpsuit. Well call them "lifers".

Committing one violent crime in the name of another is putting yourself at their level. I would look at you both and say "what idiots." :roll:
 
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If an adult male can't tell the difference between an eleven year old girl and a seventeen year old girl, then he is an idiot of epic proportions and regardless, rape is rape. Death Penalty...

You probably won't believe me, but when I was in 8th grade (13 yrs old), their was a girl who honestly, in every way, looked like she was 16-17. She looked 13 when we were in 4th grade. I wouldn't be surprised if an 11 year old looked 16-17 esp. now when so many girls look and dress much older (look at the younger Kardashians/Jenners that are always in the news.)

But that is a minor point (I just wanted to tell you my experience), regardless of age...gang raping any person of any age, particularly in such numbers, is disgusting no matter what. But I wouldn't say death penalty. I would want to kill them based on my emotions, but a justice system built on revenge isn't my cup of tea particularly when in our society, life in prison is enough to keep society safe.
 
You probably won't believe me, but when I was in 8th grade (13 yrs old), their was a girl who honestly, in every way, looked like she was 16-17. She looked 13 when we were in 4th grade. I wouldn't be surprised if an 11 year old looked 16-17 esp. now when so many girls look and dress much older (look at the younger Kardashians/Jenners that are always in the news.)

But that is a minor point (I just wanted to tell you my experience), regardless of age...gang raping any person of any age, particularly in such numbers, is disgusting no matter what. But I wouldn't say death penalty. I would want to kill them based on my emotions, but a justice system built on revenge isn't my cup of tea particularly when in our society, life in prison is enough to keep society safe.

I don't know if its just the way I'm wired, but forced sex doesn't turn me on at all. Rape, by itself, disgusts me in every way. I can't imagine doing that to someone. I can't imagine physically harming someone unless my life, or anothers life, was in direct and absolute danger. I felt bad as a teen pulling around a little friend of mine who was several years younger than me with my bike with him on a little scooter. I took a hard turn, inertia took him around the outside of the turn and he couldn't hold on and he crashed bad. He was all scraped up after sliding across the concrete. I felt horrible for months after that. Finally his mom had to tell me to my face "Look, accidents happen. You didn't mean any harm, you were just playing, I'm not mad at all at you, ok?"
 
You'd also have to be prepared to spend the rest of your life behind bars, and rightfully so. Murders go to jail. Would you admit what you did or would you run and cower and try to avoid prosecution? Most people who talk big like this aren't actually prepared to stand by the full of the commitment and integrity of the position.
You're asking if I would accept the potential consequences? I'd have to, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want my lawyers to put up a spirited defense. Still, if a jury, after hearing all the facts, felt I deserved whatever sentence, I'd be prepared to accept that.
 
I feel bad for everyone involved. It's a bad situation all the way around. The poor girl, sheesh, shes messed up for life. And those young adults that made a one-time stupid decision have ruined the rest of their lives. It's just bad all the way around.

I wish'd it of never happened.

Oh yea, Ikari, X factor comes across as a bunch of hot air to me. I know men 10 times tougher than him that came back from Iraq after having been in a firefight and killing insurgents who were SHOOTING AT THEM and they are visibly shaken by having to take another mans life, and in that case, they had no choice. I would say 95% of people who say they would shoot these people would not do it, or would do it and run like a scared rat. They wouldn't take their consequences like a man. It's easy to talk tough on a web forum, in real life though, that's a whole 'nother story. He wants to be seen as all "tough" to his fellow web members, but usually the ones that talk the most trash are the ones that would cower in a real incident.
I'm not trying to come off as a tough guy at all. I don't think my position is at all admirable, but it is honest. It is probably more admirable to be able to forgive the miserable bastards. I'm just trying to answer as honestly as possible, my gut reaction is that if this happened to my child in this way, I think I would be quite capable of killing.

BTW, I think your little rant against me is only because your butt-hurt that I cannot be convinced that a molester should walk just because the only evidence against him is the word of the victim.
 
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I don't know about that. When I was in 6th grade there was a girl with boobs.

And when I was in 6th grade not one girl in 3 different schools had boobs. (my folks moved 3 different times that year...really sucked)
 
I'm not trying to come off as a tough guy at all. I don't think my position is at all admirable, but it is honest. It is probably more admirable to be able to forgive the miserable bastards. I'm just trying to answer as honestly as possible, my gut reaction is that if this happened to my child in this way, I think I would be quite capable of killing.

BTW, I think your little rant against me is only because your butt-hurt that I cannot be convinced that a molester should walk just because the only evidence against him is the word of the victim.

You're only saying that because you aren't the accused.

And you'd be wrong anyway. I said that about you before we had the discussion about verbal testimony. Time lines are very important young man.
 
You're only saying that because you aren't the accused.

And you'd be wrong anyway. I said that about you before we had the discussion about verbal testimony. Time lines are very important young man.
This is just not true. We had the discussion about witness testimony about a page and a half before you posted your rant.
 
The thing about murder trials is that it only takes one juror to stop a conviction. Anyone that sympathized with, in this case X Factor, could make it to where he walked. I for one would be one of those jurors.
 
The thing about murder trials is that it only takes one juror to stop a conviction. Anyone that sympathized with, in this case X Factor, could make it to where he walked. I for one would be one of those jurors.
As would I if it were someone else.
 
"Types" like you have a number and an orange jumpsuit. Well call them "lifers".

Committing one violent crime in the name of another is putting yourself at their level. I would look at you both and say "what idiots." :roll:

I would laugh in your face for such a stupid assertion. :lol:

I am sure that was some sort of stupid analogy as well. Really nailed me as a person with it too... ****twat.

I would further say to you that killing a murderer or rapist is not putting yourself at their level, it is elevating yourself above it and displaying that our society values human life above all of factors, and that by the killer killing, they have forfeited their right to life and that the consequence is taking their life. By doing this, we are showing that we respect and value human life above everything, since it is by exacting the highest consequence, the taking of the murderers life that we are showing that we place human life at the highest value. I wouldn't expect a moron to understand, so I don't hold much hope for you.
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I don't know if its just the way I'm wired, but forced sex doesn't turn me on at all. Rape, by itself, disgusts me in every way. I can't imagine doing that to someone. I can't imagine physically harming someone unless my life, or anothers life, was in direct and absolute danger. I felt bad as a teen pulling around a little friend of mine who was several years younger than me with my bike with him on a little scooter. I took a hard turn, inertia took him around the outside of the turn and he couldn't hold on and he crashed bad. He was all scraped up after sliding across the concrete. I felt horrible for months after that. Finally his mom had to tell me to my face "Look, accidents happen. You didn't mean any harm, you were just playing, I'm not mad at all at you, ok?"

Those that argue the most vehemently against an action such as rape are generally those most inclined to commit said offense... you seem to be arguing pretty vehemently.
 
Those that argue the most vehemently against an action such as rape are generally those most inclined to commit said offense... you seem to be arguing pretty vehemently.

Huh? :confused: This isn't directed at me and even I'm confused about it...

Also that saying is obviously false as I am probably the biggest opponent to rape as I think it worse than any other criminal offense that can happen. Yet I certainly am not inclined to commit rape in the slightest. Part of my vehemence comes from the fact that my nieces were molested. The guy that did it is lucky that I never was able to see him face to face.
 
I was actually engaged in a Facebook debate on this story.

Someone on FB posted a link to this story and then added this commentary

HIM: "Thanks to our Texas Republican State Legislators this poor girl's nightmare is not over. If she would end up pregnant and make a personal decision to terminate her pregnancy. Texas new Law would mandate she have a sonogram 24 hours before the procedure and be forced to look at her fetus and listen to it before terminating her pregnancy." (They are referencing a pending law in Texas that will make woman get a sonogram before an abortion)

ME: Sad that this tragedy is being tied to politics

HIM: Sad that politics has to effect innocent third parties.

Me: I guess I never thought you belonged to the Westboro Baptist Church school of political protest - you know the one that says anything goes no matter how despicable the exploitation.

This 11 year old girl's horrific experience should not be used for political points.

I'm surprised you don't see that.

Female Poster: I dont really see how he is trying to gain any points. Hes making a point that in such a horrific situation she will HAVE to endure more suffering should she decide to terminate. This Bill itself is despicable and makes no exception for cases such as this. That is POINT he is making. Im not sure what points he could be getting other than pointing out the facts and flaws of this law and what victims of this type of abuse still have to endure after what they have already had to endure.

Him: (Snill) you don't get it, this is no longer about politics it's the reality. You will never get it, along with the Republicans who voted for this misogynistic bill. None of you will ever have to experience being spread eagle on stirrups, making one of the most difficult decisions of your life. I empathize as a gay man, with women across the state who are being degraded and subjected to fundamentalist trying to dictate their lives.

ME:
a) I think the sonogram bill is ridiculous. I would never support the state mandating a medical procedure.

b) You will never have the experience of being an 11 year old girl raped by a large group of older men and then have your pa...inful story used by others to promote a cause - even if it is a good cause.See More


Anyone care to tell me who is nuts here? Him and the female poster or me?
 
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