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Eighteen involved in gang rape of 11 year old girl in Texas

Arcadius said:
When compared with other things, yes it is. You can call me heartless, Carlin knows it wouldn't be the first time, but rape to this degree on all ages is a fairly common occurrence, and compared to other acts it's detrimental effects (which is I assume why we classify it as evil) are minuscule at best, in light of this, acts like this one seem somewhat minor. Don't think I don't have sympathy for this girl. But to me it just seems like paying attention to a gunfight while a nuclear explosion is going off behind me. There's just too much evil in the world for me to get worked up over something as minor as this. I know I seem really heartless, but try dropping your emotions for a second and view things from a purely objective, more logical standpoint.
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What your attitude indicates is that no matter what horrific act we are discussing, you really can't be bothered with it because you can think of something even worse that has happened somewhere before. Was a newborn microwaved until she exploded? No big deal, because there was a genocide in Rwanda. Did a psychopath blow into a kindergarten and murder 35 children with an assault rifle? Can't really be bothered about that because there is bad stuff going on in Durfar. Was an entire family tortured and butchered in their home? Oh, puleese, this kind of sh*t happens all the time, and there is a civil war in Libya.

This is nothing more than a pathetic way of getting attention for yourself and giving you the excuse to make dispicable comments without taking responsibility. Your attitude, your manipulation of the forum, your insistance that no topic is really worth talking about because nothing is really as important as stuff YOU think is important has already given you more attention than you deserve here. You will get no more acknowledgment or attention from me.

Hopefully others here will make the same decision.
 
Arcadius said:
What do you think I'm saying?
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That it can seem logical to rape a little girl and there are more important things in the world than what happens to an anonymous child. We should remain unemotional and not make a big deal of pedophilia.
 
X Factor said:
Yeah, I can be a dick to cold, heartless a-holes. As for myself, I'd just as soon not drop my compassion at the door. There may be worse things that can happen in the world than this, but not to that little girl.
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Evaluating a situation from a non-emotional perspective does not make someone cold and heartless. If that were the case, every psychologist, sociologist and scientist who studied such criminals would be cold, heartless a-holes.
 
My sympathies are towards those who are poor broken, and always fearing when death will come for them. Those who are exploited by, or simply ignored by the rest of the world. All I want to see is something better, anything better. And worrying about one crime, with one victim, won't get me that. Call me what you will, but I say I simply have a broader view than you.
 
theplaydrive said:
Evaluating a situation from a non-emotional perspective does not make someone cold and heartless. If that were the case, every psychologist, sociologist and scientist who studied such criminals would be cold, heartless a-holes.
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Except that Arc is not posting as any of those professions, so what possible value could there be in minimizing this?
 
Arcadius said:
My sympathies are towards those who are poor broken, and always fearing when death will come for them. Those who are exploited by, or simply ignored by the rest of the world. All I want to see is something better, anything better. And worrying about one crime, with one victim, won't get me that. Call me what you will, but I say I simply have a broader view than you.
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Have you ever heard of Amber? The little girl that was kidnapped? They now have a national system in place in her honor. Called the Amber Alert. You should read up on it as even ONE case CAN change the nation.
 
theplaydrive said:
Evaluating a situation from a non-emotional perspective does not make someone cold and heartless. If that were the case, every psychologist, sociologist and scientist who studied such criminals would be cold, heartless a-holes.
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Calling it "non-emotional" may be a good way to fool people into thinking you aren't tivializing the gang rape of children, but intelligent people see through the sophistry and find themselves wondering about the agenda involved -- especially since pedofiles establish similar patterns in terms of their attempts to normalize their predation of children.
 
Grant said:
That it can seem logical to rape a little girl and there are more important things in the world than what happens to an anonymous child. We should remain unemotional and not make a big deal of pedophilia.
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I am yet to meet a single person who can properly grasp what I'm trying to say, maybe it''s just my wording.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Have you ever heard of Amber? The little girl that was kidnapped? They now have a national system in place in her honor. Called the Amber Alert. You should read up on it as even ONE case CAN change the nation.
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That isn't even remotely in the ball park of what I'm talking about.
 
theplaydrive said:
Evaluating a situation from a non-emotional perspective does not make someone cold and heartless. If that were the case, every psychologist, sociologist and scientist who studied such criminals would be cold, heartless a-holes.
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Psychopaths also feel the same way.
 
Guys, seriously. Can't you see what he's doing? He's sitting cross-legged in the forum, drawing more and more attention to himself by patronizing us with condescending remarks that we, the peons, cannot possibly see the vast world view that because of his amazing god-like awesomeness simply flows through his brain by virtue of his personal connection to a cosmos we lesser beings cannot hope to comprehend.

We have to ignore... seriously, ignore. He'll go away then. He wants our attention, he wants to show how superior he is to us. Let's not give him that satisfaction! ;)
 
Arcadius said:
A non-emotional perspective gives an unbiased, more realistic outlook into things
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Ah, so THAT'S why gang raping children is no big deal.

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
X Factor said:
Except that Arc is not posting as any of those professions, so what possible value could there be in minimizing this?
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Although his word choice wasn't ideal, I understood his general sentiment. I think understanding people, from regular people to murderers and rapists, is beneficial for everyone. It's not that I think they deserve to be understood or that their actions are valid or inconsequential in anyway, but just that understanding leads to more civil and informed political decisions.

To explain my position: I studied international relations in college and took a terrorism class where we had to analyze terrorism and 9/11 from a non-emotional point of view and gained a much better understanding of the motives behind and potential causes of 9/11 than I had when I was just evaluating it from the point of being pissed that al-Qaeda killed 3000 innocent Americans.

After that, I started taking that approach to everything just because I like to understand things from as many perspectives as possible. I can understand why people disagree and I don't see much reason to try to force my approach to crimes like this on you. But that's just my opinion. It doesn't mean that when I stop analyzing, I don't feel anger and disgust. It's just dissociation with a purpose.
 
DiAnna said:
Guys, seriously. Can't you see what he's doing? He's sitting cross-legged in the forum, drawing more and more attention to himself by patronizing us with condescending remarks that we, the peons, cannot possibly see the vast world view that because of his amazing god-like awesomeness simply flows through his brain by virtue of his personal connection to a cosmos we lesser beings cannot hope to comprehend.

We have to ignore... seriously, ignore. He'll go away then. He wants our attention, he wants to show how superior he is to us. Let's not give him that satisfaction! ;)
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Yeah, but how many sock puppets does Agnapostate have?
 
DiAnna said:
Guys, seriously. Can't you see what he's doing? He's sitting cross-legged in the forum, drawing more and more attention to himself by patronizing us with condescending remarks that we, the peons, cannot possibly see the vast world view that because of his amazing god-like awesomeness simply flows through his brain by virtue of his personal connection to a cosmos we lesser beings cannot hope to comprehend.

We have to ignore... seriously, ignore. He'll go away then. He wants our attention, he wants to show how superior he is to us. Let's not give him that satisfaction! ;)
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But I'm not trolling, at all, this is just how I think. I've entertained that I most likely have some sort of psychological disorder. I don't think i'm superior. I just think people are refusing to look at things from my perspective. I'm not saying my perspective is better, it just gives a certain insight that yours does not.
 
Gardener said:
Calling it "non-emotional" may be a good way to fool people into thinking you aren't tivializing the gang rape of children, but intelligent people see through the sophistry and find themselves wondering about the agenda involved -- especially since pedofiles establish similar patterns in terms of their attempts to normalize their predation of children.
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I'm not going to argue with someone accusing me of the things that you are. Psychologists who evaluate criminals aren't trivializing their crimes, neither is anyone on this board as far as I can tell, neither are the people who report these crimes in the news (if you notice, they don't get angry and start talking about killing people). You need to evaluate yourself before you start treading on the types of accusations you're approaching.
 
theplaydrive said:
Although his word choice wasn't ideal, I understood his general sentiment. I think understanding people, from regular people to murderers and rapists, is beneficial for everyone. It's not that I think they deserve to be understood or that their actions are valid or inconsequential in anyway, but just that understanding leads to more civil and informed political decisions.

To explain my position: I studied international relations in college and took a terrorism class where we had to analyze terrorism and 9/11 from a non-emotional point of view and gained a much better understanding of the motives behind and potential causes of 9/11 than I had when I was just evaluating it from the point of being pissed that al-Qaeda killed 3000 innocent Americans.

After that, I started taking that approach to everything just because I like to understand things from as many perspectives as possible. I can understand why people disagree and I don't see much reason to try to force my approach to crimes like this on you. But that's just my opinion. It doesn't mean that when I stop analyzing, I don't feel anger and disgust. It's just dissociation with a purpose.
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Thank you. That's basically the general concept I was going for. I seem to be terrible with words.
 
Arcadius said:
Thank you. That's basically the general concept I was going for. I seem to be terrible with words.
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No. You're not terrible with words. They just don't want to hear what your saying. Because you aren't reacting exclusively with rage, they assume that something must be wrong with you (i.e. that you're condoning or minimizing rape). I wouldn't argue with people like this.
 
Arcadius said:
But I'm not trolling, at all, this is just how I think. I've entertained that I most likely have some sort of psychological disorder. I don't think i'm superior. I just think people are refusing to look at things from my perspective. I'm not saying my perspective is better, it just gives a certain insight that yours does not.
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Could you share this insight, Arcadius?

Most people do understand what went on when that little girl was raped and they understand the motives behind those who raped her. We can easily back away and look at the situation with some perspective. But no matter how much perspective we achieve we are still left with a little girl who was raped by a group of men who should have known better, who should have known that having sex with an underage girl was legally and morally wrong. No amount of 'perspective' will change that.
 
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