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Wis. governor to Dems: Return or 1,500 workers will be axed

cpwill said:
yes, but you did not answer the important question, which is whether or not you are a member of Jethro Gibb's NCIS team, in which case, you can give me Abby's phone number :D
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NCIS? Muah?

Strictly IAF and Mossad here :2razz:

I do like that show though.
 
:D ah. well if you are mossad then you know her phone number anyway :D
 
Mayor Snorkum said:
Walker is a Republican. The GOP has been traditionally at odds with the unions that force exorbitant wages and benefits from the public sector and who then use the forced collection of dues (aka "collective bargaining") to give huge campaign contributions to Democrat politicians eager to provide even larger wage packages to the unions.

One would generally expect a Republican or other American politician to take a leading role in divorcing the unions from their closed shop practices that corrupt the political process while bankrupting the states.



Yep. Nothing like enforcing freedom of choice on people and the unions who wish to represent them. Just think, for all that Walker is doing, the one thing he won't change is that anyone who wants to be in a union will still have the choice to pay their dues and be members.

Perhaps the union bosses need to work harder at getting workers to want them?
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ah yes....another who knows not what he talks about....
 
One interesting thing that remains to be seen is that one of the reasons the GOP has done well recently is because they have been able to split the union vote away from the Dems. Now that the GOP has shown their hand, I wonder if union members will reconsider that decision.
 
cpwill said:
:D ah. well if you are mossad then you know her phone number anyway :D
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Ironically, she actually has a degree in Criminology...

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pssst... she's also engaged
 
Tashah said:
Ironically, she actually has a degree in Criminology...

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pssst... she's also engaged
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So she knows half the jargon she utters is tv science as opposed to real science.
 
cpwill said:
hmmm.... so the political backbone of Republicans are the people who create jobs in this country, keep the economy moving, and put themselves at risk.... whereas the political backbone of Democrats are parasitic public unions fanatically dedicated to keeping themselves from suffering along with the rest of the country.

okay. i'll take that.
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All of the bright, energetic, buzzcut, conservative CEO's in the world cannot make a product without the workers.

You badly need to see the film METROPOLIS. Maybe twice.
 
Mayor Snorkum is guessing that there's more to running a business and siting a business that a simplistic tax rate check.
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Wonderful. Now the next time the two of you have a conversation, see if you can convince him to write a letter to the editor pointing out to these republican governors that lowering business taxes are not the answer.
 
SheWolf said:
He is falling in the polls and the polls say the people favor collective rights, so he really isn't listening to the people who elected him and he didn't run on removing collective bargaining rights. For that reason, I think he sort of just abusing his power now and doing what he thinks is best and right, not really what the people want. This will probably be his only term...
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Gee, this could easily be describing Obama and the health care legislation.
 
megaprogman said:
I wonder if union members will reconsider that decision.
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after christie and walker and kasich and CUOMO and MOONBEAM and QUINN, even RAHM, are thru with em, there's gonna be an awful lot fewer of em, for one thing
 
while obama still searches for those comfy shoes...

FLASHBACK: Obama campaigned to walk picket line as president if collective bargaining rights threatened - Yahoo! News

mainstream michael moore matriculates to madison

Moore: Protesters have 'aroused a sleeping giant'

the millionaire movie maker, earlier this week, on the topic of rich people---that's not their money, it's ours, it's a national resource

RealClearPolitics - Video - Moore On Wealthy People's Money: "That's Not Theirs, That's A National Resource, It's Ours"

obama won't touch it, but mainstream michael embraces like a mother

very revealing
 
The Prof said:
while obama still searches for those comfy shoes...

FLASHBACK: Obama campaigned to walk picket line as president if collective bargaining rights threatened - Yahoo! News

mainstream michael moore matriculates to madison

Moore: Protesters have 'aroused a sleeping giant'

the millionaire movie maker, earlier this week, on the topic of rich people---that's not their money, it's ours, it's a national resource

RealClearPolitics - Video - Moore On Wealthy People's Money: "That's Not Theirs, That's A National Resource, It's Ours"

obama won't touch it, but mainstream michael embraces like a mother

very revealing
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Moore's an idiot. Obama...well...anyone actually surprised that he's not keeping his promise to "walk the picket lines"?
 
Ah, hostage-taking. Republicans are just beaming their principles out for all to see.
 
Councilman said:
Isn't it telling that Unions and the Democrat 14 would rather see people get a pink slip than to do something that could save their jobs?

This happens all the time and wrong every time.
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This isn't about the budget. The unions had already agreed to cuts. This is about busting the unions, so that a teacher can be fired without cause, without a hearing, by an administrator, who just might not happen to like that particular teacher, or that teacher's political viewpoints.

In every era in our history, it has always been about finding a new boogeyman to demonize. This time it is the Irish the Chinese Italians African Americans Union workers.
 
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danarhea said:
This isn't about the budget. The unions had already agreed to cuts. This is about busting the unions, so that a teacher can be fired without cause, without a hearing, by an administrator, who just might not happen to like that particular teacher, or that teacher's political viewpoints.

In every era in our history, it has always been about finding a new boogeyman to demonize. This time it is the Irish the Chinese Italians African Americans Union workers.
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Let's hear some more Yankee Doodle Dandy bullcrap!!

This is about ratcheting back the Wisconsin Teacher's Union so that they have still more bargainning rights than Federal workers. On DP, this is about every person on a public pension cryin' like little babies, denying truths, and being perfectly willing to **** the taxpayers to sustain their own selfish, bloated pensions and benefits. Well, Walker's sayin', "**** you back." I sure hope he prevails.
 
MaggieD said:
Let's hear some more Yankee Doodle Dandy bullcrap!!

This is about ratcheting back the Wisconsin Teacher's Union so that they have still more bargainning rights than Federal workers. On DP, this is about every person on a public pension cryin' like little babies, denying truths, and being perfectly willing to **** the taxpayers to sustain their own selfish, bloated pensions and benefits. Well, Walker's sayin', "**** you back." I sure hope he prevails.
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Which is BS. The unions already agreed to the cuts Walker demanded. This is about dismantling them.

Now, I dislike unions probably as much as you do. But what I would not do if I were a governor, is use dishonest tactics, lie to my constituents, and use a scorched earth policy to get rid of them, which is exactly what Walker is doing.
 
danarhea said:
Which is BS. The unions already agreed to the cuts Walker demanded. This is about dismantling them.

Now, I dislike unions probably as much as you do. But what I would not do if I were a governor, is use dishonest tactics, lie to my constituents, and use a scorched earth policy to get rid of them, which is exactly what Walker is doing.
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Did you even read what I wrote? He's not dismantling unions. He's asking that they have their bargaining rights changed...and with those changes, they will still have greater bargaining power than every single Federal worker in the USA. That's not dismantling. That's curtailing. That's putting a little more power back into the hands of the taxpayers. Right now, it's whacked.

As to Governor Walker's tactics, I expect a compromise. My common sense tells me it's being discussed as we speak.
 
MaggieD said:
Did you even read what I wrote? He's not dismantling unions. He's asking that they have their bargaining rights changed...and with those changes, they will still have greater bargaining power than every single Federal worker in the USA. That's not dismantling. That's curtailing. That's putting a little more power back into the hands of the taxpayers. Right now, it's whacked.

As to Governor Walker's tactics, I expect a compromise. My common sense tells me it's being discussed as we speak.
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I agree with your position, but just as an FYI, the bill resticting some collective bargaining rights of WI's federal employees will allow WI's public sector union employees to have more collective bargaining rights then most federal employee unions - not all. At least according to most of the info i've read or seen.
 
MaggieD said:
Did you even read what I wrote? He's not dismantling unions. He's asking that they have their bargaining rights changed...and with those changes, they will still have greater bargaining power than every single Federal worker in the USA. That's not dismantling. That's curtailing. That's putting a little more power back into the hands of the taxpayers. Right now, it's whacked.

As to Governor Walker's tactics, I expect a compromise. My common sense tells me it's being discussed as we speak.
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Again, I call BS. This bill could strip the Union of almost ALL of their bargaining rights.
 
danarhea said:
This isn't about the budget. The unions had already agreed to cuts. This is about busting the unions, so that a teacher can be fired without cause, without a hearing, by an administrator, who just might not happen to like that particular teacher, or that teacher's political viewpoints.

In every era in our history, it has always been about finding a new boogeyman to demonize. This time it is Union workers.
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Republicans will do or say anything, truth be damned, to win elections. Taking away the union support for Democrats, is just another political ploy, or as Perot once said, political dirty tricks.

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danarhea said:
This isn't about the budget. The unions had already agreed to cuts. This is about busting the unions, so that a teacher can be fired without cause, without a hearing, by an administrator, who just might not happen to like that particular teacher, or that teacher's political viewpoints.

In every era in our history, it has always been about finding a new boogeyman to demonize. This time it is the Irish the Chinese Italians African Americans Union workers.
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There are plenty of right to work states. Instead of hollering the ole "doomsday" scenario how about you back up your assertions. Find even one such thing happening in any of the right to work states.
 
danarhea said:
Again, I call BS. This bill could strip the Union of almost ALL of their bargaining rights.
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Please tell me why an entity that has no scenerio of bankrupting their employer, while holding great influence with the political persons that will sit across the barganing table from them through campaign contributions soley taken from their membership should be allowed to exist in the first place? It's a rigged game, and further this total Bull about the Union agreeing to consessions without giving up the collective barganing part of the bill, is really NO consession at all. Thier stranglehold on the society as a whole needs to be broken. Let them live under the same rules as I do.


j-mac
 
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