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Unemployment dips to 8.9 pct., 192K jobs added

Hey Sage, I'm new to this forum so thats probably why you wont know who the hell I am, but I just wanted give some input. Although I dont agree with all of the spending Obama has done, I have to ask you the question, how do you propose we get out of this recession without raising taxes and spending? Also he came into office with the motor industry in shambles, a shaky housing market, and a stumbling economy. We were one more failed bank away from a recession. So no he has not improved the unemployment rate, but you have to give him his credit where it is due. Without his actions who knows how much worse off we would have been, also check Ronald Reagan's record, his policies worked in the short term but screwed us over in the long term, and while alienating middle and low class families, and adding to our national Dept. But lets not argue over apple's and oranges, instead lets think of solutions, what are some suggestions for improving our economy.
 
Hey Sage, I'm new to this forum so thats probably why you wont know who the hell I am, but I just wanted give some input. Although I dont agree with all of the spending Obama has done, I have to ask you the question, how do you propose we get out of this recession without raising taxes and spending? Also he came into office with the motor industry in shambles, a shaky housing market, and a stumbling economy. We were one more failed bank away from a recession. So no he has not improved the unemployment rate, but you have to give him his credit where it is due. Without his actions who knows how much worse off we would have been, also check Ronald Reagan's record, his policies worked in the short term but screwed us over in the long term, and while alienating middle and low class families, and adding to our national Dept. But lets not argue over apple's and oranges, instead lets think of solutions, what are some suggestions for improving our economy.

Not sure who sage is but regardless please tell me where you get your information? I lived and worked during the Reagan years, did you? If you read what the left wants you to read you never will get an unbiased opinion so check out the Reagan actual results by going to bea.gov as well as bls.gov. Those are non partisan sites that capture actual data and they paint a different picture than the left wants to paint. Allowing the American people to keep more of what they earn isn't screwing anyone. Low and middle class families gave Reagan one of the largest electoral victories in history and today still hold him as one of our best Presidents.

You can answer your own question regarding how to grow the economy with your own personal finances. If you have less take home pay because of higher taxes do you spend more or less money? If everyone's take home pay is less where is the demand for products and services to create jobs?

As for the govt. stop buying what Obama tells you because he has yet to be right on any prediction. Obama should have focused in the private sector not the public sector and we would be creating jobs today just like Reagan created. 18 months after the Reagan recession was over unemployment had dropped from 10.8% to 7+%. Obama's has dropped a half percent. Obama bailed out unions and teachers not the private sector and our economy is based upon private sector growth.

Reagan took office with a 900 billion dollar debt and left it at 2.6 trillion or a 1.7 trillion dollar increase. Reagan never had a Republican Congress. Obama took office with a 10.0 trillion dollar debt and in 2 years increased that to 13.6 trillion or 3.6 trillion dollars. Which debt would you prefer?

The best solution to our problems is growing the private sector through incentives, lower the corporate tax rates, provide greater tax cuts to the American people, cut the size and scope of the Federal Govt. A good start.
 
The best solution to our problems is growing the private sector through incentives, lower the corporate tax rates, provide greater tax cuts to the American people, cut the size and scope of the Federal Govt. A good start.

Why is more corporate welfare your answer for everything? It didn't work under Reagan or Bush...and yet you guys keep saying that this is the answer. Too funny.
 
Reagan took office with a 900 billion dollar debt and left it at 2.6 trillion or a 1.7 trillion dollar increase. Reagan never had a Republican Congress. Obama took office with a 10.0 trillion dollar debt and in 2 years increased that to 13.6 trillion or 3.6 trillion dollars. Which debt would you prefer?

So what you are saying is Reagan tripled the deficit and Obama is on pace to double the deficit. Which of those sounds better to you?
 
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So what you are saying is Reagan tripled the debt and Obama is on pace to double the debt.

Hey, shouldn't that make Obama a conservative hero?
 
Hey, shouldn't that make Obama a conservative hero?

Nah, it was all the democratic congress's fault under Reagan, despite the fact the budgets passed where within a couple percent of the budget's Reagan submitted.
 
Obama should have focused in the private sector not the public sector and we would be creating jobs today just like Reagan created.

How do you explain the addition of private sector jobs while government jobs have been bleeding off?
 
Why is more corporate welfare your answer for everything? It didn't work under Reagan or Bush...and yet you guys keep saying that this is the answer. Too funny.

Corporate welfare in your world is actually corportions keeping more of what they earn and using that for job creation, dividends to shareholders, charitable giving, and expansion, something apparently you will never understand.
 
Nah, it was all the democratic congress's fault under Reagan, despite the fact the budgets passed where within a couple percent of the budget's Reagan submitted.

Reagan, if running today, would be labeled a RINO.
 
How do you explain the addition of private sector jobs while government jobs have been bleeding off?

The creation of private sector jobs is a good thing but way too low to significantly impact the unemployment numbers. One million people left the work force last month and that is why the rate dropped. Add those million back into the unemployment number and what is the rate?
 
My mistake, I thought the name Conservative was just for your political party. No I was not alive during the Reagan years, I get most of my information from literature, and documentaries, I actually watched a documentary on Reagan that aired on HBO the other day and thats where I got the information about him pinching the middle class as well as increasing the National Debt. I also read a wonderful book called the Reagan years, which talked about his record, and yes he was a great president in many ways, but he has been over hyped for what he did in the financial sector according to many of the books I've read.

As for Govt, you ignored my comments about the mess that Bush left us in. Was Obama supposed to ignore that mess and jump straight to the private sector? If that happened you would probably be bashing him for not handling those issues first before jumping on the private sector. The same solutions you suggested is what got us in most of the mess we're in now.

Going back to Reagan and his years, the Budget for America was not as large as it is now, so that plays a part in the growth of the national debt. Obama is far from a Horrible president. Just like Reagan is far from a horrible president. I dont think Obama is perfect but you're talking about a president who came into office with an economic situation that can only be compared to the one Roosevelt had, oh and two wars, and a failing educational system. lets wait until he's out of office for a couple of years before we judge him as a president.
 
I like this site so far. I'm happy to have someone who is not only passionate about his side but well versed on it as well. I look forward to debating with you in the future
 
The creation of private sector jobs is a good thing but way too low to significantly impact the unemployment numbers. One million people left the work force last month and that is why the rate dropped. Add those million back into the unemployment number and what is the rate?

I agree with this point. I disagree with your assertion that Obama has emphasized the public sector at the expense of the private when it comes to job creation.
 
The creation of private sector jobs is a good thing but way too low to significantly impact the unemployment numbers. One million people left the work force last month and that is why the rate dropped. Add those million back into the unemployment number and what is the rate?

But you said that Obama is growing government which contradicts what the job numbers states. Private employers added 222,000 jobs last month and 30,000 public jobs were slashed. Please explain to me how does that reflect growth of public jobs.
 
The creation of private sector jobs is a good thing but way too low to significantly impact the unemployment numbers. One million people left the work force last month and that is why the rate dropped. Add those million back into the unemployment number and what is the rate?

Oh and when did Obama Bail out the teacher unions, was this an error on your part? If not please stop watching Fox, they are clearly destroying your mind.
 
My mistake, I thought the name Conservative was just for your political party. No I was not alive during the Reagan years, I get most of my information from literature, and documentaries, I actually watched a documentary on Reagan that aired on HBO the other day and thats where I got the information about him pinching the middle class as well as increasing the National Debt. I also read a wonderful book called the Reagan years, which talked about his record, and yes he was a great president in many ways, but he has been over hyped for what he did in the financial sector according to many of the books I've read.

As for Govt, you ignored my comments about the mess that Bush left us in. Was Obama supposed to ignore that mess and jump straight to the private sector? If that happened you would probably be bashing him for not handling those issues first before jumping on the private sector. The same solutions you suggested is what got us in most of the mess we're in now.

Going back to Reagan and his years, the Budget for America was not as large as it is now, so that plays a part in the growth of the national debt. Obama is far from a Horrible president. Just like Reagan is far from a horrible president. I dont think Obama is perfect but you're talking about a president who came into office with an economic situation that can only be compared to the one Roosevelt had, oh and two wars, and a failing educational system. lets wait until he's out of office for a couple of years before we judge him as a president.

I watched the HBO special too and found it to be almost solely one sided since I lived and worked during those years but Reagan is for another thread.

If you have ever taken a civics course you would know that Congress makes the laws and appropriates the money. Congress from January 2007-January 2011 was under complete Democrat control. Obama was in that Congress. Bush didn't leave us any mess that Congress didn't help create. Obama ran on a platform of cleaning up the mess. Now let me ask you, if you were hired to clean up the mess left by a previous employee do you think you would have a job today if you had 2 million fewer jobs today than when you started the job and it cost 3.5 trillion added to the debt to generate those numbers?

Obama is far from perfect and in fact is making Jimmy Carter look good. Stop buying the leftwing rhetoric and get the facts. We came out of the recession according to the NBER in June 2009 and 18 months after the recession ended the unemployment is every bit as bad, u-6 numbers than they were then. Obama reads a good speech but he is private sector illiterate. Nothing he has promised has happened yet some continue to buy the rhetoric.
 
Oh and when did Obama Bail out the teacher unions, was this an error on your part? If not please stop watching Fox, they are clearly destroying your mind.

Some of the stimulus money went to the states and was used to shore up teacher's unions and to save teachers' jobs. That isn't the role of the Federal Govt. Your property taxes pay for schools and education is a state and local responsibility.
 
That saved jobs, how is that a bad thing, and some of that stimulus money was used by the same republicans who denied it too. Whats your point
 
But you said that Obama is growing government which contradicts what the job numbers states. Private employers added 222,000 jobs last month and 30,000 public jobs were slashed. Please explain to me how does that reflect growth of public jobs.

That is one month not the two plus years he has been office, If he was focused on the private sector instead of never letting a good crisis go to waste thus helping him pass his leftwing agenda we wouldn't be in the same mess today. Do you think 2 million less jobs today than when he took office and 3.5 trillion added to the debt is a positive?
 
That saved jobs, how is that a bad thing, and some of that stimulus money was used by the same republicans who denied it too. Whats your point

How do you determine a saved job? Think the millions of unemployed care about saved jobs?
 
except ruin America and turn us into socialist terrorist fist-jabbers and Muslim apologists.

Oh and don't forget using time travel to go back in the past and creating a fake birth certificate for baby Obama.:mrgreen:
 
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