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Western journalists 'fabricate' news: China media

Of course the comparison with China is absurd. State controlled media and obvious censorhsip is much worse than anything we have in the West.

But it's true mass media in the West has certain flaws. Certain opinions are underrepresented in the reports, the media elites or private actors with lots of resources may skew the reports in a particular direction, silence down opinions and facts they don't like, or push their agendas on the cost of objective information and education. The media elites also have the power of agenda setting. An extreme example is the "Berlusconi effect": Berlusconi, who owns a majority of Italian tv channels, used his power as media owner to push his political ambitions into debate, and used this power to win the elections. As prime minister, he used his media power to distract from reports about scandals he was involved in, most tv stations hardly reported about it. He further de-politized the public by bombing the people with boobs and soccer. Many Italians don't even know about the corruption and scandals Berlusconi is involved in, because he used his concentrated media power to distract. Without this power, he would probably have sunken already.

A similar example may be the Murdoch media, where the owner pushes his political agenda, by heavily influencing editorial decisions of his media outlets.

A while back, I read a weekly paper in Germany with a top story about oil and climate change. To my surprise, the general tone was very pro-fossil fuels and critics were either mocked, downplayed or their arguments ignored. Then I took a look at the advertisement in that issue. Guess who made these ads: Shell, BP, Mercedes Benz, Volkswagen ...

A classic problem is the dumbing down and luridness of many news reports. They want to make money, and lurid stories and hyped scandals apparently bring more readers, than sober analysis or balanced background information.

So yes, the market logic of private media outlets, the power of media elite and/or private actors, does skew the opinions in many media outlets. But you'll always find gems among all the crap, and the internet offers a new platform for a different kind of news distribution.
 
Kane said:
Big Business funds foundations which give grants to media, and Elites like Murdoch and Scaife program you with these media lies.
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ludahai said:
They might program you, but they don't program me. We have PLENTY of options to get our news... unlike in China where it is a totalitarian government who programs you with media lies and you don't have any other options...
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You're programmed to believe your Afghan extra judicial killings are legal in the cover of night.
 
German guy said:
So yes, the market logic of private media outlets, the power of media elite and/or private actors, does skew the opinions in many media outlets. But you'll always find gems among all the crap, and the internet offers a new platform for a different kind of news distribution.
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That was a thought provoking answer. I abreviated to save space. Honstely i cannot tell the difference between BBC and the things yo wrote above. State run, state funded, govmnt funded it all resembles propaganda. The CBC, there is a difference but honestly the BBC is about as state run as Tv news crappola gets. The state of news in general is decayed. The 30 min. clips are played every half hour. is just a godd*** soap commerical to borrow from the Furs.

The chick Ludhai doesn't even know about the covert death squads in Afghanistan.

"The spate of civilian killings offers a glimpse of the bloody violence President Barack Obama has unleashed on the suffering country through his “surge.” This will only intensify as the US makes preparations for a major military offensive against Afghanistan’s second most populous city, Kandahar, which Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, has called “the center of gravity” for anti-insurgent operations. The attack is slated for June."



Killings of Civilians in Afghanistan: US Special Forces Covered Up Massacre

Afghan Govt. Demands Arrest of US "Death Squad"
    Afghan Govt. Demands Arrest of US "Death Squad"        : Information Clearing House -  ICH
 
Kane said:
That was a thought provoking answer. I abreviated to save space. Honstely i cannot tell the difference between BBC and the things yo wrote above. State run, state funded, govmnt funded it all resembles propaganda. The CBC, there is a difference but honestly the BBC is about as state run as Tv news crappola gets. The state of news in general is decayed. The 30 min. clips are played every half hour. is just a godd*** soap commerical to borrow from the Furs.

The chick Ludhai doesn't even know about the covert death squads in Afghanistan.

"The spate of civilian killings offers a glimpse of the bloody violence President Barack Obama has unleashed on the suffering country through his “surge.” This will only intensify as the US makes preparations for a major military offensive against Afghanistan’s second most populous city, Kandahar, which Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, has called “the center of gravity” for anti-insurgent operations. The attack is slated for June."



Killings of Civilians in Afghanistan: US Special Forces Covered Up Massacre

Afghan Govt. Demands Arrest of US "Death Squad"
*** Afghan Govt. Demands Arrest of US "Death Squad"******* : Information Clearing House -* ICH
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Umm... excuse me... you have completely lost it... you have ZERO credibility... do you know anything about how the Chinese media works? You don't even know who I am (clearly based on the bolded part). Is that tin hat still affecting you...
 
Kane said:
The people are sick of being oppressed. It would diffuse the already polarized and highly tense political atmosphere if the television media/news would stop lying to the people and tell them the truth instead of propagandizing them 24-7.

The constant terror scares, the false fears about this "marxist" plot, that "communist," targeting Assange for just releasing confidential files, the overtly oppressive censorship, not to mention the extremely offensive rhetoric coming from the mouths of govmnt officials, Feds or otherwise,
make America appear and feel like a dictatorship.
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ludahai said:
Have you ever LIVED in a dictatorship???
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Kane said:
Do these divide and conquer subjects look familiar?

There are similarly worded threads on this forum!

The ideas come from foundations and big business ...

Into the Mainstream

"Are black people inherently less intelligent and more prone to criminality than whites? Are Catholics incapable of self-government? Did the Civil Rights Act of 1964 strip Americans of their freedoms? Does a tiny cabal of Jewish families control international banking? Do interracial relationships have the effect of weakening both races? Are there natural ruling elites who should be governing society?"

Into the Mainstream | Southern Poverty Law Center
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ludahai said:
Umm... excuse me... you have completely lost it... you have ZERO credibility... do you know anything about how the Chinese media works? You don't even know who I am (clearly based on the bolded part). Is that tin hat still affecting you...
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You have been terrorized your whole life. Schools had you practice hiding under a desk in preparation for a Russian nuclear attack. Americans were told to inform on neighbors after 9-11. People were told to inform on communists in Hollywood. Boogeymen always present on TV - Castro, Blacks, Arabs, the government always programs you with terror
 
Kane said:
You have been terrorized your whole life. Schools had you practice hiding under a desk in preparation for a Russian nuclear attack. Americans were told to inform on neighbors after 9-11. People were told to inform on communists in Hollywood. Boogeymen always present on TV - Castro, Blacks, Arabs, the government always programs you with terror
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Now, I know you have lost it... You have given plenty of great .sig material in this thread, though...:2rofll:

I think you had better return home... MIB is looking for you... :aliens3: :bon_voyag
 
Still swallowing corporate news garbage aye?
 
Kane said:
Damn skippy. Liberals have been saying this since the 2000 election. Back in the nineties, CNN used to be so great. When they investigated "Iraq-Gate" under Bush Sr.,
(how the U.S. sold Saddam weapons) they had new updates every hour, not simply repeating the same clips all day. Now all they do is spin away. Don't look at the truth hidden behind my back, look at this more palatable version of history/reality sanitized and censored for your viewing pleasure. Or, in Fox News case, video from another event all together, file footage from wherever we choose to pull it from. :roll:

"BEIJING (AFP) - An official Chinese newspaper has accused foreign journalists in the country of fabricating news in the latest sign of official nerves over an online campaign for anti-government rallies."

Western journalists 'fabricate' news: China media - The West Australian
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Pot, meet kettle...

Oh wait...this is old news, why was this bumped??
 
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ludahai said:
Now, I know you have lost it... You have given plenty of great .sig material in this thread, though...:2rofll:

I think you had better return home... MIB is looking for you... :aliens3: :bon_voyag
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-chuckles- maybe he will make more sense when the drugs he's on begin to wear off
 
Hannity, or Rachel Maddow or the BBC and PBS, - two sides of the same state-funded media coin., -

Whereas Maddow is just an employee of the Democratic Party Incorporated, as Hannity is a PSYOP for Uncle Sam.

Progressive Censorship about the reasons for the "War on Terror"
non-profits usually depend on someone else's profits

"An ongoing political debate since 9/11 has concerned the emergence of a "pro-war" Left, in particular among centrists, who have lined up wholeheartedly with the military policies of the "War on Terror", including the looming war on Iraq. According to the conventional wisdom, a great rift has emerged in the Left between pro-war and anti-war factions. I don't necessarily see it this way, however. While there appears to be a rift judging by rhetoric and ideology, I nonetheless consider almost the entirety of what one could call the "establishment Left" to be pro-war, whether they say so or not. It all comes down to a state of denial about the underlying facts of this so-called "War on Terror."

Left Gatekeepers
 
ludahai said:
Wow... you are back... You would rather swallow ChiCom news garbage... or would if you could read Chinese...
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Gee- pro-war Maddow or pro-war Huckabee?

What a diverse range of opinion in American media!:mrgreen:

Or we can choose between "political debate mediator for life," Jim Lehrer annointed for life, or perhaps Charlie Rose (whos so liberal he had Kissinger on 52 times!):shock:

This is free speech?

Don't you just love the smell of fascism in the evening?







Left Gatekeepers
 
StillBallin75 said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Pot, meet kettle...

Oh wait...this is old news, why was this bumped??
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Like being lied too?

Like the debt ceiling was ever about anything but posturing!:roll:

Talk about news being FABRICATED ...
 
Kane I think you backed yourself into a hole. If you want to make a "media lies" thread fine, but using China as proof actually discredits your point more than help it.
 
WHAT'S THE DIFF BETWEEN China and CNN, Time magazine, NYT, and the BBC lying fake Iraq WMD, David Kelly's "suicide," fake bin laden killing videos, fake Xmas day underwear bombers, the WTC mosque fear propaganda, Jessica Lynch "rescue", Pat Tillman lies and tons of other State run war propaganda media stories?
 
Kane said:
WHAT'S THE DIFF BETWEEN China and CNN, Time magazine, NYT, and the BBC lying fake Iraq WMD, David Kelly's "suicide," fake bin laden killing videos, fake Xmas day underwear bombers, the WTC mosque fear propaganda, Jessica Lynch "rescue", Pat Tillman lies and tons of other State run war propaganda media stories?
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The difference is that the US media outlets are not subject to prior restraint by the govt and while their employees may often carry water for the govt, they don't actually work for the govt, nor do they need a license to practice journalism (Note: this is not an endorsement of the US media)
 
sangha said:
The difference is that the US media outlets are not subject to prior restraint by the govt and while their employees may often carry water for the govt, they don't actually work for the govt, nor do they need a license to practice journalism (Note: this is not an endorsement of the US media)
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Not to mention they can and do criticize the government and government officials... try doing that in China... nice place ready for people like that in Qinghai...
 
ludahai said:
Not to mention they can and do criticize the government and government officials... try doing that in China... nice place ready for people like that in Qinghai...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/09/world/asia/09parody.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Apparently dismayed by the considerable political power of Bo Xilai, the fast-rising Communist Party leader in the south-central Chinese city of Chongqing, Fang Hong went online in April to express his views about Mr. Bo’s regard for the rule of law — comparing it, in a stanza of crude verse, to excrement.

As a result, Mr. Fang, 45, a retired forestry worker, is serving a year’s sentence in a Chongqing re-education-through-labor camp.
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MrVicchio said:
Shouldn't this be down in the humor section? Chinese media accusing others of fabricating news? LOL. That'd be like Cold War Era "Pravda" chastising the US Media.
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I think the US media does fabricate, scandalize, and sensationalize. The media, and most recently Fox, has been caught making up false stories and driving their viewers into a frenzy of anger before.
 
SheWolf said:
I think the US media does fabricate, scandalize, and sensationalize. The media, and most recently Fox, has been caught making up false stories and driving their viewers into a frenzy of anger before.
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I call CNN the Censorship News Network exactly because of the fact that before they do any amount of straight reporting, they spin every issue of import into a certain framework before any facts can ever be ascertained. (i.e. "Quaddafi is a villian who desreves to die.")

Using unverified YouTube videos as authentic news source, for example, and unauthentic terror audio as fact. But that is the whole point of CNN/Fox. Spin and control by government mouthpieces posing as unbiased sources definately represent the Pentagon, CIA, White House, etc. These mouthpieces are intent on total information control over wars, their legality, and no viewpoint of the human toll of such events is ever examined. Hence, government control and censorship on American TV is somewhat worse than China.

American TV is too busy flag-waving to ever notice the destructive war, economic and health policies set forth by the elite.
 
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