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ReverendHellh0und said:
Mainly the balkans where i learned a particular disgust for the un and its "peacekeepers". I was declared "persona non gratis" on at least one occassion for taking exception to thier proclivity for Underage brothels. I remained per contract.
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Interesting -- I was in the Balkans with the Royal Marines. What years? What zones, if you don't mind disclosing?

As well, I'll admit that the UN peacekeepers in the Balkans were often Serb or Bosnian or Croat, and so partisan by nature. But it was an ugly war, and in ugly wars, I believe there are more pressing problems to deal with than brothels. Not to condone their actions, though.
 
Le Marteau said:
Alright, the last sentence has confirmed to me that you're just trolling. But I'll nibble. Not quite bite, but I'll nibble.

80% of all Axis casualties (not just Germans, not just European Theatre, but ALL Axis forces) were from the Eastern Front, where the only army opposing the Wehrmacht was the Red Army.

As well, the Soviets were in the Pacific, where they routed the Japanese Kwantung Army, which, I might add, accounted for 65% of all Japanese military personnel.


Furthermore, North Africa, Italy and Normandy were all majorty British or Commonwealth troops.


There's no disputing this, mate. The British Empire and the Soviet Union won the Second World War. Other countries contributed, and we honour them for their contribution. But they dare not take the credit, because it isn't deserved.
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I think American units deserve a great deal of credit for what they did during World War II. But Le Marteau is right when he says that the Red Army deserves the most credit for destroying the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front.
 
Le Marteau said:
Interesting -- I was in the Balkans with the Royal Marines. What years? What zones, if you don't mind disclosing?

As well, I'll admit that the UN peacekeepers in the Balkans were often Serb or Bosnian or Croat, and so partisan by nature. But it was an ugly war, and in ugly wars, I believe there are more pressing problems to deal with than brothels. Not to condone their actions, though.
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I was in the Balkans in '99 with 1/26th INF.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think American units deserve a great deal of credit for what they did during World War II. But Le Marteau is right when he says that the Red Army deserves the most credit for destroying the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front.
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That's why Stalin was practically begging us to invade France and open a second front? Because he was winning, hands down?

No, that's not why.

In November, 1943, Joseph Stalin, Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt met together in Teheran, Iran, to discuss military strategy and post-war Europe. Ever since the Soviet Union had entered the war, Stalin had been demanding that the Allies open-up a second front in Europe. Churchill and Roosevelt argued that any attempt to land troops in Western Europe would result in heavy casualties. Until the Soviet's victory at Stalingrad in January, 1943, Stalin had feared that without a second front, Germany would defeat them.

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In reality, Stalin had been begging for a second front since 1941.

As early as July 1941 a mortally threatened Soviet Union was calling for a "second front"--an Anglo-American invasion of Europe across the English Channel. The appeal was sufficiently compelling that Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt made successive attempts to present the invasions of North Africa in 1942 and Italy in 1943 as meeting Soviet criteria. Joseph Stalin was unimpressed...

Allied Invasion of France (D-Day), 1944 | - Soviet Russia (1917-53) | RUSSIA TRAVEL GUIDE |
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Let's don't let ourselves get bogged down with only a halfassed perspective of history.
 
Le Marteau said:
Huh. I actually met a 1/26th Infantry soldier while there. He was a Mexican guy, tattooed, which I found shocking, as it's against regulation in the Royal Marines to have tattooes showing.
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It used to be in the U.S. Army, too, but they dropped that reg at some point, before I enlisted in '87. It's still enforced in some units, such as the Honor Guard and I belive it holds for embassy Marines, as well.

It's ironic as hell: when I went to basic training I was in A/1/26th. When I ETS'ed, I was in C/1/26th. Blue Spader in, Blue Spader out.
 
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apdst said:
That's why Stalin was practically begging us to invade France and open a second front? Because he was winning, hands down?

No, that's not why.



In reality, Stalin had been begging for a second front since 1941.



Let's don't let ourselves get bogged down with only a halfassed perspective of history.
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you know that you in know way refuted anything that I said?
 
apdst said:
That's why Stalin was practically begging us to invade France and open a second front? Because he was winning, hands down?

No, that's not why.



In reality, Stalin had been begging for a second front since 1941.



Let's don't let ourselves get bogged down with only a halfassed perspective of history.
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Stalin was begging for a second front because tens of millions of Russians had died fighting for your freedom while you sat back and threw money at the problem, and he wanted to come out of this war with any kind of male population at all.

But, instead, the cowardly Americans refused to open the second front until 1944, by which time the Russians already had the Germans in full retreat across Poland, leaving twenty million dead Russians in their wake.
 
apdst said:
It used to be in the U.S. Army, too, but they dropped that reg at some point, before I enlisted in '87. It's still enforced in some units, such as the Honor Guard and I belive it holds for embassy Marines, as well.

It's ironic as hell: when I went to basic training I was in A/1/26th. When I ETS'ed, I was in C/1/26th. Blue Spader in, Blue Spader out.
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Ah. But gang affiliations are still strictly no-go, correct?
 
Le Marteau said:
Stalin was begging for a second front because tens of millions of Russians had died fighting for your freedom while you sat back and threw money at the problem, and he wanted to come out of this war with any kind of male population at all.

But, instead, the cowardly Americans refused to open the second front until 1944, by which time the Russians already had the Germans in full retreat across Poland, leaving twenty million dead Russians in their wake.
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Their freedom? The United States, hell even the UK, were unlikely to have their freedom denied by the Nazis at that stage.
 
Le Marteau said:
Stalin was begging for a second front because tens of millions of Russians had died fighting for your freedom while you sat back and threw money at the problem, and he wanted to come out of this war with any kind of male population at all.

But, instead, the cowardly Americans refused to open the second front until 1944, by which time the Russians already had the Germans in full retreat across Poland, leaving twenty million dead Russians in their wake.
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We wanted more Russians to get killed, because we knew we would have to face them on the battlefield at some point in the future.

We should have cut a deal with Hitler to destroy Russia, then double-crossed him, after it was done. :rofl
 
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Ben K. said:
Their freedom? The United States, hell even the UK, were unlikely to have their freedom denied by the Nazis at that stage.
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If the Soviet Union had capitulated to the Wehrmacht, and relinquished the largest stockpile of manpower, resources and industry on Earth at the time to the Nazis, the Anglo-Americans wouldn't have been able to stand for long.
 
Le Marteau said:
If the Soviet Union had capitulated to the Wehrmacht, and relinquished the largest stockpile of manpower, resources and industry on Earth at the time to the Nazis, the Anglo-Americans wouldn't have been able to stand for long.
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A real testement to how poorly communism works isn't it?


j-mac
 
Le Marteau said:
That's a disgusting thing to say, not to mention a major fallacy of hindsight.
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Hindsight is 20/20. Except for General Patton. He was right in hating the Soviets.
 
apdst said:
Actually, I did; even if you refuse to admit it.
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I said that the Red Army was responsible for most of the Wehrmacht's destruction. In terms of numbers and statistics, this is pure unadulterated truth. I in no way diminished the contributions of American and Allied troops fighting on the Western Front or suggested that the war could have been won without them.
 
apdst said:
Hindsight is 20/20. Except for General Patton. He was right in hating the Soviets.
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Why? Because they followed a different ideology? Because they were smart enough not to bow to your God? You can disagree with someone over these things, perhaps even dislike the person. But hate? Political ideologies didn't matter much to you while the Russians were beating the Germans for you, why hate them afterwards?
 
j-mac said:
Their soldiers were underarmed, underfed, and underresourced. Good thing we don't operate that way.


j-mac
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The Soviets were underarmed, underfed and underresourced not due to communism -- by the end of the war, the Soviet Union had the largest military-industrial complex in history. They were underarmed, underfed and underresourced because the largest military in human history (Operation Barbarossa) had just taken them by surprise, and they were busy sending every man they could find to the front so the entirety of Europe didn't fall to Nazi control.
 
Le Marteau said:
If the Soviet Union had capitulated to the Wehrmacht, and relinquished the largest stockpile of manpower, resources and industry on Earth at the time to the Nazis, the Anglo-Americans wouldn't have been able to stand for long.
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After the Battle of Britain, I'm not sure how the Nazi's would gain a foothold in the UK. Economic isolation from the continent may have relegated the UK to also rans eventually, but there's no earthly possibility that the Germans posed a threat to the North American continent and their freedoms. Stop with the bull**** effort to minimise their WW2 contributions in Europe.
 
Le Marteau said:
Stalin was begging for a second front because tens of millions of Russians had died fighting for your freedom while you sat back and threw money at the problem, and he wanted to come out of this war with any kind of male population at all.

But, instead, the cowardly Americans refused to open the second front until 1944, by which time the Russians already had the Germans in full retreat across Poland, leaving twenty million dead Russians in their wake.
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Most sane people know your sick from your stupid avatar. You should try living in Russia if you like it so much. Americans died so people like YOU are now free to be as stupid as you are.
 
Le Marteau said:
Why? Because they followed a different ideology? Because they were smart enough not to bow to your God? You can disagree with someone over these things, perhaps even dislike the person. But hate? Political ideologies didn't matter much to you while the Russians were beating the Germans for you, why hate them afterwards?
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No, because Patton knew what history has proven since: The Soviets were as big a threat to peace and freedom as the Nazis.
 
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