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Dear god, as a bit of a history boff i can tell you that both marteau and apdst have some funny ideas about what happened in WW2...

Ive decided though that all this revisionist history is far too entertaining to start debunking!

Onward!

Tell me about it...I'm a history major and as much as I like Marteau some of his opinions are just flat out crazy.
 
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Crap. An important thread on an important topic is once again turned into an international weenie-wagging contest instigated by a first-class America-hating troll, and continued on for four freaking pages by a bunch of fools who can't wait to get his hook in their mouths.

Lame, dammit. Just lame.
 
Actually a big reason they lost was because they made an ill fated decision not defend a section of their border because they felt the germans would be unable to move tanks through... :prof

French were always fighting the last war, not the next.
 
Talk about it...I'm a history major and as much as I like Marteau some of his opinions are just flat out crazy.

You are a history major? Good luck with that in the job market. Soon you will be unemployed like me and the million other History majors:p
 
If you think Diem was a democratic ruler, then I suggest you revisit your Vietnam history. Part of the reason we got involved in Southeast Asia, and wanted to maintain the partition, was that we knew Ho Chi Minh would have won in a real election.

But that's all water under the bridge. As for your point about the mustard gas, if Gaddafi or a third party makes a move on the mustard gas facility, we'll know about it and we have the option of taking it out with an air strike. Still no real need to get ground forces involved.

I have to read up on my history?

You may have to.
 
But to say the Soviets were fighting for the freedom of the UK and US is disingenuous at best and an outright lie at worst. They were fighting for national survival, and you know it...

There was some ideology in there too. Not likely a shared one.
 
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Crap. An important thread on an important topic is once again turned into an international weenie-wagging contest instigated by a first-class America-hating troll, and continued on for four freaking pages by a bunch of fools who can't wait to get his hook in their mouths.

Lame, dammit. Just lame.

Come on, I resent that. You can't label everyone who has a radically different opinion from you a troll. The opinions I espouse here are genuine, and, in my eyes, well-thought-out over 48 years of life.


Anyway, if you want to get this thread back on track, I'm all for that.
 
You are a history major? Good luck with that in the job market. Soon you will be unemployed like me and the million other History majors:p

Well good thing he is joining the Corps.
 
Marteau is right about the French being the reason we won the revolutionary war.

I've never understood the "haha French are cowards" stereotype, never will. Although the whole Maginot line muck up was kind of sad really.
 
Illusions of the state are more relevant when the state is properly 'illused'.
 
The only thing the Americans have shown in fighting two unwinnable wars is that their bark is worse than their bite. Let's take a look at recent military history. I think you'll see an interesting trend: That of Americans getting their asses handed to them, while European nations quietly and successfully win their own wars without American help.


Really? Name the last battle the US lost. K thanks.....



Suez Canal Crisis, 1956 -- British and French troops take the Suez Canal from Egypt and fight through the town of Suez to secure it in what was called the most effective amphibious assault since D-Day.

175,000 Israel
45,000 British
34,000 French


You mean isreali troops with the aid of the brits and the french storming a beach later on. :sssst:



The Falklands War, 1982 -- Argentina swarms Las Malvinas with thousands of troops. Britain sends her Navy and the Royal Marines -- after a few months of intense fighting, the UK successfully reclaims the Falklands, and Argentina surrenders. Minimal UK casualties.


Seriously? England kicked argentinas ass.. Wow, impressive.



The Battle of Mogadishu, 1993 -- Americans go into Mogadishu due to internal unrest, 20 Delta Force and Rangers are killed, Pakistanis arrive to rescue the Americans. Impressive.


18 Americans dead, 700 somalis dead 1000+ wounded, with no air support, no artillery, nothing.

And lets be honest, it was pakistani troops in conjunction with the 10th mountain.




Northern Ireland Troubles, 1980s -- IRA causes mass unrest in Northern Ireland, Britain successfully puts down insurgency, and secures Northern Ireland, marking one of the most successful counterinsurgency operations to date.


Really, so you put down a poorly armed IRA in your fight to keep northern Ireland?



Kosovo War, 1998 -- In the wake of the Yugoslav Wars, NATO and UN troops are deployed to Serbia to keep the peace between several uneasy factions. Two American jets are shot down, Americans lose control of Pristina International Airport to Russians, bomb the wrong targets.


Americans lose control? Not NATO and the UN? Wasn't it the norwegian specops that took that airport, then when Russia found out it had to be NATO's bitch, it cried and took the airport coming in from bosnia, I was through outpost gunner on a security detail when NATO was watching your asses.


Russians were always great at posturing.



Cote d'Ivoire, 2002 -- French Army successfully concludes the Ivorian Civil War against insurgent groups terrorising the population.

Really? Successfully? That place **** is still going on..... :lamo



First Gulf War, 1990 -- 400 American deaths, list of American ****-ups:
1 Gulf War Illness
2 Effects of depleted uranium
3 Highway of Death
4 Bulldozer assault
5 Killing of unarmed Iraqi Soldiers
6 Coalition bombing of Iraq's civilian infrastructure
7 Abuse of coalition POWs
8 Operation Southern Watch
9 Gulf war sanctions
10 Draining of the Qurna Marshes
11 Gulf War oil spill
12 Kuwaiti oil fires


Highway of death.... :mrgreen:



On the other hand, the French Foreign Legion accounted for the entirety of the left-flank of the drive through Iraq, and was commended by American General Schwarzkopf as "the most effective combat operation I'd ever seen".

Oh so it was the FFL that won the first gulf war? Please, we were softening up targets long before you arrived.... (heck long before the the army came to clean up)... you took al samanela and met with no resistance.... Storming norman was a great salesman.



Ugandan Genocide, 1994 -- French Army deploys to Uganda while the Americans refuse to go, and stop the genocide in its tracks.


Again, that **** hasn't ended.

Iraq War, 2003 -- American mishaps in leadership and effective counterinsurgency lead to 4000 American deaths. The British-controlled southern provinces of Iraq, at the capital of Basra, become the safest and most stable areas of the country.




You really are a homer..... England had 1/3rd the number of troops and this one province....


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Afghanistan War, 2001 -- American combat units repeatedly fail to destroy the massive drug trade in Afghanistan, lose 1500 soldiers, cause even greater insurgency. UK troops in Helmand province take the Taleban-held city of Lashkar Gah, once the most dangerous city in Afghanistan, and convert it into a Coalition-allied anti-drug powerhouse.


Let's talk about russia and Afghanistan...



The European powers have been fighting and winning wars before your nation was formed. Let us do the fighting, you just throw money at the problems. It's safer for you.



:lol: you have skirmishes, and little battles and an unwillingness to do the heavy lifting.
 
Interesting -- I was in the Balkans with the Royal Marines. What years? What zones, if you don't mind disclosing?

Around the same time you were. Zones, you can guess by my previous post. I really don't get too much into this part of my past other than talk about my disgust for the UN....

As well, I'll admit that the UN peacekeepers in the Balkans were often Serb or Bosnian or Croat, and so partisan by nature. But it was an ugly war, and in ugly wars, I believe there are more pressing problems to deal with than brothels. Not to condone their actions, though.


These were underaged girls, kidnapped and forced into prostitution for the pleasure of UN "peacekeepers", the UN simply told its peacekeepers to park thier UN vans around back... I thought the entire region was giant cluster**** and not much on anyside I was impressed with....
 
When did you kick the **** out of the Brits? The French won your War of Independence for you, and you lost the War of 1812. The only time Americans fought Soviet troops was in the intervention in the Russian Civil War, and the Americans got their asses handed to them there.



What???????


You are funny.... you argue military history like a sports fan..... :lamo


The french were indecisive and only joined our cause when they knew we would win. It was naval in nature, and initially a flop. Only under Washington did Comte de Rochambeau contribute to the siege on Yorktown.


The French were a big help, however, they in no way "won" the war for us...



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When did you kick the **** out of the Brits? The French won your War of Independence for you, and you lost the War of 1812. The only time Americans fought Soviet troops was in the intervention in the Russian Civil War, and the Americans got their asses handed to them there.

Yeah...what?????
 
Dear god, as a bit of a history boff i can tell you that both marteau and apdst have some funny ideas about what happened in WW2...

Ive decided though that all this revisionist history is far too entertaining to start debunking!

Onward!

The funny ideas that you claim I have are called, "facts".
 
I just want that malicious dickhead to stop bombing his own people.

He isn’t bombing his own people. His people are the ones dropping the bombs on people from other islamo tribes in the area.

I would go after Qaddafi’s tribe; kill Qaddafi and anyone around him for his ordering the bombing of our PanAm passenger jet and then shoot down all of their military air craft, bomb the Qaddafi tribal army but no food for the rest of the people who have never been our friends and won’t be if we give them food.
 
He isn’t bombing his own people. His people are the ones dropping the bombs on people from other islamo tribes in the area.

I would go after Qaddafi’s tribe; kill Qaddafi and anyone around him for his ordering the bombing of our PanAm passenger jet and then shoot down all of their military air craft, bomb the Qaddafi tribal army but no food for the rest of the people who have never been our friends and won’t be if we give them food.

False : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TncgsS0FDWg&feature=player_embedded

Edit : Sorry, did not notice that you already caught on to that he is NOT...

So true, he is NOT bombing his people... at least not in the ways that had been reported.
 
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