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GOP threatening to shut down government, but say it will be Dems fault

If the government is shutdown, will the GOP get their demands?

  • Yes, the budget will pass as is and the dems will look bad

    Votes: 4 14.8%

  • No, the shutdown will backfire and they will have to negotiate

    Votes: 10 37.0%

  • The results will be mixed

    Votes: 11 40.7%

  • Other, explain

    Votes: 2 7.4%
  • Total voters
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Badmutha said:
42% Conservative--39% Independent--19% Liberal.......

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....split pretty evenly my arse.......
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Your selective memory about on American history and politics is appalling and disturbing...

Fewer Voters Identify as Republicans - Pew Research Center

That's from March 20, 2008... you see how things change? It can change just as quickly for the GOP...

The GOP had their @sses stomped by a black guy with common Muslim name, and that was following the Bush Admin and a rise in Islamophobia in America... which is quite hilarious when you think about it.

And even after that happened, and the conservatives were crying about Obama being a secret Muslim-Terrorist, hating America, stealing the election, and wanting to destroy the country... it would have been just as ignorant and foolish of an American to flash around the map below and declare America only belonged to them and not you.

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Partisans disgust me... :2sick1:
 
SheWolf said:
Your selective memory about on American history and politics is appalling and disturbing...

Fewer Voters Identify as Republicans - Pew Research Center

That's from March 20, 2008... you see how things change? It can change just as quickly for the GOP...

The GOP had their @sses stomped by a black guy with common Muslim name, and that was following the Bush Admin and a rise in Islamophobia in America... which is quite hilarious when you think about it.

And even after that happened, and the conservatives were crying about Obama being a secret Muslim-Terrorist, hating America, stealing the election, and wanting to destroy the country... it would have been just as ignorant and foolish of an American to flash around the map below and declare America only belonged to them and not you.

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Partisans disgust me... :2sick1:
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I don't recall anyone claiming he stole the election.:wink3:
 
SheWolf said:
There were enough Senate seats up for the GOP to also take over the Senate... but the GOP candidates didn't win. Somebody even beat a Tea Partier with a write in campaign. A write in campaign! That says a lot...
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Only 1/3 of the Senate was up for election........and Republicans will take back the Senate in 2012.........but that says a little.......

Republicans took Control of the House with 63 House Seats, 6 Senate seats, 10 Governorships, 680+ State legislative seats, and control of 19 more State legislatures..

.....that says a lot.
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molten_dragon said:
This is certainly possible, but it's only speculation.



And they don't have the status quo now. Saying the democrats should roll over and let the republicans do what they want because 'it's the will of the American people' is just an excuse, and a fairly lame one at that. It's not like a huge majority of the American populace supports the republican agenda over the democratic agenda. The country is, and always has been, split roughly 50-50 along party lines. We now have a congress that actually represents that.
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I fully agree with your post, with one minor modification. The country is currently split with 1/3 republican, 1/3 democrat, and 1/3 Independents and Others who hate both parties equally, and vote based on the best person for the job regardless of political party. :)
 
SheWolf said:
Your selective memory about on American history and politics is appalling and disturbing...

Fewer Voters Identify as Republicans - Pew Research Center

That's from March 20, 2008... you see how things change? It can change just as quickly for the GOP...
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I see how conservatives abandoned the Republican party.......because they were acting like Democrats.

The GOP had their @sses stomped by a black guy with common Muslim name, and that was following the Bush Admin and a rise in Islamophobia in America... which is quite hilarious when you think about it.
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You mean that 52% "Landslide"?.....over one of the weakest Republican candidates in history--McCamnesty.

And even after that happened, and the conservatives were crying about Obama being a secret Muslim-Terrorist, hating America, stealing the election, and wanting to destroy the country... it would have been just as ignorant and foolish of an American to flash around the map below and declare America only belonged to them and not you.

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Partisans disgust me... :2sick1:
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That map shows the shift....not who won........

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.......not exactly a TEA-nami was it.........not a "landslide".......not a referendum.........say different and declare 2010 the Political ***-whooping that it was.
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Why do people view a potential shut down as a bad thing? The cesspool of scum that is Washington DC wont operate for awhile I say ****ing great! It means that the scum cant **** up things more than they already are, in theory. All the doom and gloom speak I hear when I read potential government shut down articles are amusing, talking about that there will be riots and anarchy. What a joke and besides theres nothing wrong with alittle chaos to liven things up.
 
chevydriver1123 said:
Why do people view a potential shut down as a bad thing? The cesspool of scum that is Washington DC wont operate for awhile I say ****ing great! It means that the scum cant **** up things more than they already are, in theory. All the doom and gloom speak I hear when I read potential government shut down articles are amusing, talking about that there will be riots and anarchy. What a joke and besides theres nothing wrong with alittle chaos to liven things up.
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Do you have any idea what a gov't shutdown really means? Less than 1 out of 4 gov't employees will not be showing up for work. It won't be some mass shutdown, I hate to tell you.
 
SheWolf said:
That doesn't even make sense to me... All of the reports I have read, it's the GOP who appears to support a government shutdown, not the dems.
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yet they are the ones who are actually trying to keep it open? hmmm me no think so.
 
Badmutha said:
Only 1/3 of the Senate was up for election........and Republicans will take back the Senate in 2012.........but that says a little.......

Republicans took Control of the House with 63 House Seats, 6 Senate seats, 10 Governorships, 680+ State legislative seats, and control of 19 more State legislatures..

.....that says a lot.
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There were enough Senate seats up for the GOP to take control of it too... Reid is still in office, and that's pathetic btw
 
Badmutha said:
I see how conservatives abandoned the Republican party.......because they were acting like Democrats.



You mean that 52% "Landslide"?.....over one of the weakest Republican candidates in history--McCamnesty.



That map shows the shift....not who won........

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.......not exactly a TEA-nami was it.........not a "landslide".......not a referendum.........say different and declare 2010 the Political ***-whooping that it was.
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If you want to play semantics and say it wasn't a referendum, then I can't with a brick wall... The fact is the media was using the word referendum, and Bush remains an embarrassment to the GOP. Where is Bush? He is still hiding out... read the posts on DP, most "Conservatives" say they weren't even happy with him. He isn't successful post presidency, and he wasn't even invited to the national convention... pathetic.

IMO it was a referendum on Bush and his policies...

I am not seeing anything historical with your charts or election results yet... It seems most liberals are still standing by Obama, and he isn't an embarrassment or liability to the party... but maybe he will be in the future. Who knows... I just don't see it.
 
Badmutha said:
42% Conservative--39% Independent--19% Liberal.......

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....split pretty evenly my arse.......
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Wow, you really just don't get it do you? I'm not denying that the republicans won a lot of seats last November. The point is that they didn't win all of those races with 100% of the vote. Most were won with 50-60 percent of the vote. That still leaves a big chunk of the country that supports the democrats.
 
SheWolf said:
There were enough Senate seats up for the GOP to take control of it too... Reid is still in office, and that's pathetic btw
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The 2010 Elections had 19 Democrat Senate seats up for re-election......18 Republican

The 2012 Elections will have 23 Democrat Senate seats up for re-election.......10 Republican

........and we can bid goodbye to that **** stain of a Senate leader Harry The Body Odor Reid.
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SheWolf said:
If you want to play semantics and say it wasn't a referendum, then I can't with a brick wall... The fact is the media was using the word referendum, and Bush remains an embarrassment to the GOP. Where is Bush? He is still hiding out... read the posts on DP, most "Conservatives" say they weren't even happy with him. He isn't successful post presidency, and he wasn't even invited to the national convention... pathetic.

IMO it was a referendum on Bush and his policies...
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Conservatives werent happy with Bush because he was acting and spending like a Democrat.....

......sort of how you want the newly elected Republicans in the House (Who promised to cut spending).........to act like Democrats and pass Obama's bloated Budget to Bankruptcy.

I am not seeing anything historical with your charts or election results yet... It seems most liberals are still standing by Obama, and he isn't an embarrassment or liability to the party... but maybe he will be in the future. Who knows... I just don't see it.
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....neither did Stevie Wonder.
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whysoserious said:
Did Obama not propose 1 trillion in cuts over a decade that was shot down by conservatives? What was wrong with that budget? Conservatives have shown again and again that they aren't able to come forth with a budget any more streamlined than Obama's.
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That's because both parties only seek to appease the voters. So they do as minimal cuts as they can get away with, saying, "we've cut this, that and the other." And in reality, they actually aren't cutting much at all. They have no intentions of cutting programs where they receive their largest kickbacks from etc.
 
SheWolf said:
There were enough Senate seats up for the GOP to also take over the Senate... but the GOP candidates didn't win. Somebody even beat a Tea Partier with a write in campaign. A write in campaign! That says a lot...
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umm... that was by a multi-term incumbant...

And the GOP DID clean up in the election, even in the Senate... and wait until next year, when the Dems who won in maginal districts in 2006 come up for re-election. The Senate will flip too, guaranteed...
 
SheWolf said:
That's what the Democrats said after the 2008 election... They thought they were right and it was a referendum on Republican politics, and that's what they said in the news all the time too.

Were the election results a referendum on Republican principles?

Neither party has changed, and neither party is good... Look at the shape America is in right now, and it's the work of both parties. The voters go one way to the next, because it's all there is to vote for... not because one party is suddenly right. That's hysterical. Neither party has really changed, if anything both sides have gotten more extreme and stubborn in their ways.
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But, now we have the Tea Party, giving us fresh faces to choose from.
 
and unlike the party still in power we push policies that are actually popular

we don't sue the people of arizona, insult americans who disagree about mosques at ground zero, attempt to try ksm in manhattan, bow to foreign dictators, ask americans to rat out their neighbors for expressing fishy thoughts, try to tax energy production and consumption in the midst of recession, cram a radical reform of 1/6 of our economy via senate reconciliation...

we're professionals, we know what we're doing, and we actually LIKE the american people

we don't disparage em behind their backs for clinging to stuff we find beneath us

seeya at the polls, progressives
 
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ludahai said:
umm... that was by a multi-term incumbant...

And the GOP DID clean up in the election, even in the Senate... and wait until next year, when the Dems who won in maginal districts in 2006 come up for re-election. The Senate will flip too, guaranteed...
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It might flip, but it's matter of time until it flips again... it happens all the time, it doesn't mean one party knows best or is suddenly right on everything. It just means that that party was in power long enough to prove how awful they are at governing, and both parties are awful. It's just a matter of time until people see it about the GOP again... But of course, when the GOP gets thrown out again... and were thrown out in 2008, I know a partisan like you didn't argue the dems were suddenly right on everything.
 
SheWolf said:
It might flip, but it's matter of time until it flips again... it happens all the time, it doesn't mean one party knows best or is suddenly right on everything. It just means that that party was in power long enough to prove how awful they are at governing, and both parties are awful. It's just a matter of time until people see it about the GOP again... But of course, when the GOP gets thrown out again... and were thrown out in 2008, I know a partisan like you didn't argue the dems were suddenly right on everything.
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I know Libbos love polls, so I'll post this one for just for you.

58% Favor Government Shutdown Until Spending Cuts Are Agreed Upon - Rasmussen Reports™
 
chevydriver1123 said:
Why do people view a potential shut down as a bad thing? The cesspool of scum that is Washington DC wont operate for awhile I say ****ing great! It means that the scum cant **** up things more than they already are, in theory. All the doom and gloom speak I hear when I read potential government shut down articles are amusing, talking about that there will be riots and anarchy. What a joke and besides theres nothing wrong with alittle chaos to liven things up.
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I want to see riots and anarchy... is that a bad thing? Really... if people had their eyes open to wtf is going on, they would be angry and rioting, and not supporting either party.
 
The Prof said:
and unlike the party still in power we push policies that are actually popular

we don't sue the people of arizona, insult americans who disagree about mosques at ground zero, attempt to try ksm in manhattan, bow to foreign dictators, ask americans to rat out their neighbors for expressing fishy thoughts, try to tax energy production and consumption in the midst of recession, cram a radical reform of 1/6 of our economy via senate reconciliation...

we're professionals, we know what we're doing, and we actually LIKE the american people

we don't disparage em behind their backs for clinging to stuff we find beneath us

seeya at the polls, progressives
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You LIKE the American people... except the one's who want to build and worship in Mosques it seems... :roll:
 
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