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Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

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FoxNews.com - Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

Canadian health care allocation officials already ruled that Joseph had to be taken off life support and allowed to die in the hospital. A Canadian judge then ruled that Maraachli had to give his consent to having the breathing tube removed by Monday. He refused.

Maraachli says turning off life support could cause his son to choke and suffocate. He told Fox News on Wednesday that the doctors at London Health Sciences Centre have said the “best treatment” is to “let him die… I don’t know what kind of treatment that [is].”


So with nationalized healthcare, a judge gets to make the decisions about the medical care for your children.

Hmmm. I think I'll pass. Kinda sounds like one of those "death panels".
 
Canadian government orders child off life support

FoxNews.com - Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer
Canadian health care allocation officials already ruled that Joseph had to be taken off life support and allowed to die in the hospital. A Canadian judge then ruled that Maraachli had to give his consent to having the breathing tube removed by Monday. He refused.
I really feel for the parents here. While I actually agree that the child should be removed from life support, it should be the PARENTS decision... not the governments or the courts.

This is the type of health care we'll end up with eventually if Obamacare is not dropped.
 
FoxNews.com - Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

So with nationalized healthcare, a judge gets to make the decisions about the medical care for your children.

Your article is sloped.


Michigan hospital won't take dying Windsor baby - Parentcentral.ca

LONDON, ONT.—The parents of a dying 13-month-old boy from Windsor, Ont., are said to be devastated after suffering yet another setback.

Joseph Maraachli's family received word late Wednesday afternoon that the Children's Hospital of Michigan has decided not to request the transfer of the baby from a London, Ont., hospital.

“Joseph’s parents are devastated by the news that the Michigan Children’s Hospital will not accept Joseph,” their lawyer Mark Handleman said in an email to The Canadian Press Wednesday night.

Moe Maraachli hoped to transfer his son to the U.S. hospital after waging a months-long battle to stop doctors at London's Victoria Hospital from taking the baby off a ventilator.

Alex Schadenberg, the executive director of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, said he was with Joseph's father when he got the news

From your ****ing article!

Officials at the Ontario hospital appeared to be cooperating with the transfer request and sent Joseph’s full medical record to Children’s Hospital of Michigan on Monday.


Hmmm. I think I'll pass. Kinda sounds like one of those "death panels".

Whats actually wrong with this story is this:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/story/2011/02/23/windsor-baby-joseph-security686.html

Hospital officials have increased security around Joseph Maraachli, the terminally ill Windsor, Ont., baby whose fate is now the focus of a battle pitting his parents against his doctors.

The 13-month-old is in a vegetative state from a rare neurodegenerative condition and has no hope of recovery, medical professionals said.

His parents had urged doctors at the London Health Sciences Centre to perform a tracheotomy on their son so they could take him home to die in peace, but the hospital refused. The baby was to be disconnected from a ventilator on Monday after a court order, but that was delayed when the parents tried to get their son transferred to a Detroit hospital for a possible tracheotomy.

The hospital acted unnaceptably. They should have granted the parents request, but the baby was always going to die. It wasn't "We're not going to save him". The baby is terminal. And shame on that judge for upholding that hospitals decision.

Be very careful about misrepresenting again.

This issue is not about whether or not a judge ordered the baby to die, the baby was going to die and the parents accepted that, this issue is about the judge and the hospital denying parents request for the tracheotomy so that they could bring the baby home with them to die in peace...

This is not about Euthanisia before anyone starts jumping the gun.
 
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My comments weren't about the Michigan hospital.

It was about the fact that a JUDGE, not the doctor and the parents working together, made the decision regarding taking the child off the ventilator. The Ontario hospital had to help the parents because a JUDGE was telling that hospital what it had to do.

That is disgusting.
 
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Re: Canadian government orders child off life support

sorry... did not see related thread in Mainstream Media.
 
Re: Canadian government orders child off life support

FoxNews.com - Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

I really feel for the parents here. While I actually agree that the child should be removed from life support, it should be the PARENTS decision... not the governments or the courts.

This is the type of health care we'll end up with eventually if Obamacare is not dropped.
if we are lucky, it will be

one of the present practices which causes our health care costs to be so enormous in comparison to the rest of the world is the amount of care provided to those who are terminal. such as the instance you have presented

# Nearly one third of terminally ill patients with insurance used up most or all of their savings to cover uninsured medical expenses such as home care.

# 27 to 30 percent of Medicare payments cover the cost of care for people in the last year of life.

# 40 percent of Medicare dollars cover care for people in the last month.

# 12 percent of Medicare spending covers people who are in the last two months.

# 10 percent of Medicare beneficiaries account for 70 percent of program spending.

Before I Die: Spending on Care
 
Your article is sloped.


Michigan hospital won't take dying Windsor baby - Parentcentral.ca



From your ****ing article!






Whats actually wrong with this story is this:
Ont. hospital boosts security around dying baby - Windsor - CBC News



The hospital acted unnaceptably. They should have granted the parents request, but the baby was always going to die. It wasn't "We're not going to save him". The baby is terminal. And shame on that judge for upholding that hospitals decision.

Be very careful about misrepresenting again.

This issue is not about whether or not a judge ordered the baby to die, the baby was going to die and the parents accepted that, this issue is about the judge and the hospital denying parents request for the tracheotomy so that they could bring the baby home with them to die in peace...

This is not about Euthanisia before anyone starts jumping the gun.

'The baby was going to die', and 'no hope of recovery' are two different things. You have no idea if the baby was going to die tomorrow, or 30 years from now.

This was compared in several articles to the Terri Schiavo case, only in reverse. Instead of someone petitioning the appropriate authority for the baby to be allowed to die peacefully, the government health authority ORDERED it, and the courts ORDERED the parents to consent.
 
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if we are lucky, it will be

one of the present practices which causes our health care costs to be so enormous in comparison to the rest of the world is the amount of care provided to those who are terminal. such as the instance you have presented

# Nearly one third of terminally ill patients with insurance used up most or all of their savings to cover uninsured medical expenses such as home care.

# 27 to 30 percent of Medicare payments cover the cost of care for people in the last year of life.

# 40 percent of Medicare dollars cover care for people in the last month.

# 12 percent of Medicare spending covers people who are in the last two months.

# 10 percent of Medicare beneficiaries account for 70 percent of program spending.

Before I Die: Spending on Care

so... you approve of the government deciding when someone should be taken off life support, as opposed to the family?

nice.
 
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so... you approve of the government deciding when someone should be taken off life support, as opposed to the family?

nice.

That's EGZAKLY right. And it will be a better world when we don't keep people in vegetative states so that hospitals, doctors and crg companies can increase their bottom lines.
 
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so... you approve of the government deciding when someone should be taken off life support, as opposed to the family?

nice.

i approve it when it is determined by trained medical professionals
 
The parents wanted to inflict surgery on their son so he could die in the location they preferred, where he had never ever been.
 
The parents wanted to inflict surgery on their son so he could die in the location they preferred, where he had never ever been.

It's so easy to say "The Evil Judge".

Doctors probably had a case that they presented to the judge that won out against the parents case to have the baby die in their own home.

I can't say I support the doctors or the judges position, but if this is on doctors advice, I want to hear their reasoning behind why they denied the families request, then we could make a more accurate assessment of the situation.
 
It's so easy to say "The Evil Judge".

Doctors probably had a case that they presented to the judge that won out against the parents case to have the baby die in their own home.

I can't say I support the doctors or the judges position, but if this is on doctors advice, I want to hear their reasoning behind why they denied the families request, then we could make a more accurate assessment of the situation.

I just don't want a judge anywhere near any of this.
 
Let's be straight with what happened folks... the government health care officials decided he should be taken off the respirator... and the judge ordered the father to comply... he refused. The judge did not decide the child should be removed from life support, the government health authority did.
 
Let's be straight with what happened folks... the government health care officials decided he should be taken off the respirator... and the judge ordered the father to comply... he refused. The judge did not decide the child should be removed from life support, the government health authority did.

"Health Officials" sure sound alot scarier then the "Doctors" that were taking care of the terminally ill child that had no chance of living. No where does it say that a government beaurocrat took out a piece of paper, signed it and sentenced the baby to death. It appears the doctors felt it was the right decision.

Again I do not support what the judge did, but if you're gonna turn this into an "Obama-care Death Panel" scenario that's going down the wrong path here.
 
The parents wanted to inflict surgery on their son so he could die in the location they preferred, where he had never ever been.

What an ***hole thing to say.
 
Re: Canadian government orders child off life support

It would be OK with as long as the child is as this child is. And it is done daily here in the states, not by the government, but by others in the medical profession. Very few of them get the press Chaivo did, but money isn't there, the person is dead, and they are moved to being released from life support in dozens of ways.
 
Re: Canadian government orders child off life support

So this is our future if we don't destroy Obamacare :(

FoxNews.com - Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

The parents of a Canadian boy ordered off life support by government health officials have been denied a request to transfer the 13-month-old to the Children’s Hospital of Michigan.
Health care economist Dr. Devon Herrick, a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, said the structure of the Canadian health care system allows public officials to make patient care decisions.“Hospitals have global budgets as opposed to charging patients or their insurance companies, so the officials would have far more power over what their individual hospitals do,” Herrick said. "If it were in the U.S., you wouldn’t have public officials who would have the power to tell a hospital to do this or do that."
 
Re: Canadian government orders child off life support

First of all, the OP is a lie. Here is the real story from Canada's main news network, the CBC: Dying Ont. baby's transfer to Detroit denied - Windsor - CBC News

The issue is that the child's breathing passage is completely obstructed because of a neurological disorder. The kid is a vegetable, basically. The parents want the kid to die at home with them, but in order to do so the kid requires a tracheotomy so that he can at least breathe partially for the few hours it will take him to die. The doctors said that performing surgery now is pointless because the child is going to die either way, tracheotomy or no tracheotomy.

The whole story is about the parents wanting the kid to die at home and trying to force the hospital to perform a surgery that is a futile waste of medical resources. They tried taking the issue to court, and the courts support the doctors. They tried transferring the kid to a hospital in Detroit to get the surgery performed, and Detroit said no.

The parents are just in denial. Why should medical resources be wasted to support that? Let the kid die.

Shame on the OP and Fox News for lying and leaving out the actual details. An American hospital rejected the surgery request. This has nothing to do with style of health care and everything to do with a couple of parents who are having trouble letting go, which is understandable.
 
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and you'd be ok with this if it were your child?

absolutely
it's quality of life which is important
certainly not quantity ... especially when born into a miserable existence
 
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FoxNews.com - Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer

I really feel for the parents here. While I actually agree that the child should be removed from life support, it should be the PARENTS decision... not the governments or the courts.

This is the type of health care we'll end up with eventually if Obamacare is not dropped.

That's so sad I can't even bring myself to begin to form an opinion. Just too damn heartbreaking.
 
Re: Canadian government orders child off life support

so... you approve of the government deciding when someone should be taken off life support, as opposed to the family?

nice.

I don't believe that the government should have that power, except in cases where the person is a ward of the state, such as a prisoner without next of kin. However, as a function of any insurance, I can see a case where the government no longer agrees to pay for life support and if care is continued, it must be paid for in some other way.
 
My comments weren't about the Michigan hospital.

It was about the fact that a JUDGE, not the doctor and the parents working together, made the decision regarding taking the child off the ventilator. The Ontario hospital had to help the parents because a JUDGE was telling that hospital what it had to do.

That is disgusting.

You do realize this occurs in the US as well right, Whovian pointing out a very famous case with Terri Schiavo.


Judges decide on medical issues in the US and in Canada, which going by your first post means you dont want nationalized health care or private health care. As judges can decide in both
 
You do realize this occurs in the US as well right, Whovian pointing out a very famous case with Terri Schiavo.


Judges decide on medical issues in the US and in Canada, which going by your first post means you dont want nationalized health care or private health care. As judges can decide in both

The case the Erod pointed to is nothing like the Terry Schiavo case.
 
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